Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

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Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 mai 2005 15:16:03

As always corrections are most welcome


Direct Descendants of Aline de Gai

1 Aline de Gai
..... +Alan Basset b: in of Wycombe, BKM, ENG
2 Philip Basset, Sir b: in Of Wycombe, BKM, ENG d: 29 October 1271
Burial: Stanley, Wilts
..... +Hawise de Lovaine
3 Aline Basset b: Abt. 1228 in Wooten Basset, WIL, ENG d: Abt. 11 April
1281
..... +Hugh le Despenser b: in of Ryhall, RUT, ENG d: 04 August 1265 in
Evesham, ENG
4 Hugh le Despenser b: 01 March 1260/61 d: 27 October 1326 in Bristol,
ENG
..... +Isabel de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1268 in of Stoke, NTH, ENG m: Abt. 1286
d: Abt. 30 May 1306
5 Hugh le Despenser b: 1290 d: 24 November 1326 in Hereford, ENG Burial:
Tewkesbury Abbey, GLS, ENG
..... +Alianor de Clare b: October 1292 in Caerphilly Castle, Glamorgan,
Wales m: Aft. 14 June 1306 in Westminster d: 30 June 1337
6 Isabel le Despenser b: Abt. 1312 d: 1376
..... +Richard FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1313 in Arundel, SSX, ENG m: 09
February 1320/21 in King's Chapel, Havering-atte-Bower, ESS, ENG d: 24 January
1375/76 in Arundel, SSX, ENG Burial: Lewes Priory, SSX, ENG
7 [13] Edmund FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1327 d: Bef. 12 February 1381/82
..... +[12] Sibyl de Montagu d: 30 January 1343/44
8 [14] Philippe FitzAlan d: 13 September 1399
..... +[15] Richard Sergeaux, Sir b: in of Colquite, CON, ENG m: Bef. 1371
d: 30 September 1393
9 [16] Philippe Sergeaux b: Abt. 1373 d: Abt. 12 July 1420
..... +[17] Robert Pashley, Sir b: Abt. 1370 in Of Pashley, SSX, ENG m: Bef.
June 1397 d: Bef. February 1406/07
10 [18] John Pashley, Sir b: Abt. 1398 d: 08 June 1453
..... +[19] Elizabeth Wydeville m: Abt. 01 February 1423/24
11 [20] John Pashley, Esq. b: Abt. 1431 d: 20 November 1468
..... +[21] Lowys Gower m: Bef. 1449 d: Abt. 1450
12 [22] Elizabeth Pashley d: Bef. 1485
..... +[23] Reynold Pympe, Esq. d: Abt. 25 May 1531
13 [2] Anne Pympe b: Bef. 1485 d: Bef. 16 February 1539/40
..... +[1] John Scott, Sir m: Bef. 22 November 1506 d: 07 October 1533
14 [3] Richard Scott, Esq.
..... +[4] Mary Whetenall
15 [5] Edward Scott
..... +[6] Mary Warren
16 [7] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SSX, ENG
..... +[8] Elizabeth Grome
17 [9] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SFK, ENG
..... +[10] Sarah Carter
18 [11] Richard Scott b: 1605 in Glemsford, SFK, ENG d: Abt. 1680 in
Providence, RI



4 Anne le Despencer
..... +William de Ferrers b: Abt. 1240 in Of Groby, LEI, ENG d: Abt. 20
December 1287
5 William de Ferrers b: 30 January 1271/72 in of Groby, LEI, ENG d: 1325
..... +Ellen de Segrave b: Abt. 1271 m: Abt. 1297 d: Aft. 09 February
1315/16
6 Henry de Ferrers b: Abt. 1303 d: 15 September 1343 in Groby, LEI, ENG
Burial: Priory of Ulvercroft, LEI, ENG
..... +Isabel de Verdun b: 21 March 1316/17 in Amesbury, WIL, ENG m: Bef. 20
February 1330/31 d: 25 July 1349
7 Elizabeth Ferrers d: Abt. 22 October 1375 in Ashford, KEN, ENG Burial:
Ashford, KEN, ENG
..... +David de Strathbogie b: 1332 m: Bet. 24 September 1342 - 1361 d: 10
October 1369
8 Philippa de Strabogli b: Abt. 1361 d: 02 November 1395
..... +John Halsham b: in of Coombs, SSX, ENG d: 16 April 1415
9 Richard Halsham
10 Joan Halsham d: 12 May 1495
..... +John Lewknor, Sir d: 1471 in Battle of Tewkesbury
11 Sybil Lewknor d: 1527
..... +William Scott, Sir b: 1459 d: 24 August 1524
12 [1] John Scott, Sir d: 07 October 1533
..... +[2] Anne Pympe b: Bef. 1485 m: Bef. 22 November 1506 d: Bef. 16
February 1539/40
13 [3] Richard Scott, Esq.
..... +[4] Mary Whetenall
14 [5] Edward Scott
..... +[6] Mary Warren
15 [7] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SSX, ENG
..... +[8] Elizabeth Grome
16 [9] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SFK, ENG
..... +[10] Sarah Carter
17 [11] Richard Scott b: 1605 in Glemsford, SFK, ENG d: Abt. 1680 in
Providence, RI



2 Aline Basset b: in Of Wycombe, BKM, ENG
..... +Drew de Montagu d: Abt. 1216
3 William de Montagu b: Abt. 1210 in of Shipton Montagu, ENG d: 23
September 1270
..... +Berthe b: in of West Lulworth, ENG d: Aft. 1259
4 Simon de Montagu b: Abt. 1240 in of Shipton Montague, ENG d: 26
September 1316 Burial: 02 November 1316 Bruton Priory
..... +Hawise de St. Amand m: Abt. 1270 d: Bef. 1287
5 William de Montagu b: Abt. 1265 in Salisbury, WIL, ENG d: 18 October
1319 in Gascony
..... +Elizabeth de Montfort b: 1270 in Beaudesert, WAR, ENG m: Abt. 1292 d:
August 1354 Burial: Priory of St. Frideswide, OXF, ENG
6 William de Montagu b: Abt. 1302 in Cassington, Oxon d: 30 January
1343/44 in Windsor, BRK, ENG Burial: Bisham, BRK, ENG
..... +Katherine de Grandison b: Abt. 1304 in Ashford, HEF, ENG m: 1327 d:
23 April 1349 in Bisham, BRK, ENG
7 [12] Sibyl de Montagu d: 30 January 1343/44
..... +[13] Edmund FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1327 d: Bef. 12 February 1381/82
8 [14] Philippe FitzAlan d: 13 September 1399
..... +[15] Richard Sergeaux, Sir b: in of Colquite, CON, ENG m: Bef. 1371
d: 30 September 1393
9 [16] Philippe Sergeaux b: Abt. 1373 d: Abt. 12 July 1420
..... +[17] Robert Pashley, Sir b: Abt. 1370 in Of Pashley, SSX, ENG m: Bef.
June 1397 d: Bef. February 1406/07
10 [18] John Pashley, Sir b: Abt. 1398 d: 08 June 1453
..... +[19] Elizabeth Wydeville m: Abt. 01 February 1423/24
11 [20] John Pashley, Esq. b: Abt. 1431 d: 20 November 1468
..... +[21] Lowys Gower m: Bef. 1449 d: Abt. 1450
12 [22] Elizabeth Pashley d: Bef. 1485
..... +[23] Reynold Pympe, Esq. d: Abt. 25 May 1531
13 [2] Anne Pympe b: Bef. 1485 d: Bef. 16 February 1539/40
..... +[1] John Scott, Sir m: Bef. 22 November 1506 d: 07 October 1533
14 [3] Richard Scott, Esq.
..... +[4] Mary Whetenall
15 [5] Edward Scott
..... +[6] Mary Warren
16 [7] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SSX, ENG
..... +[8] Elizabeth Grome
17 [9] Edward Scott b: in of Glemsford, SFK, ENG
..... +[10] Sarah Carter
18 [11] Richard Scott b: 1605 in Glemsford, SFK, ENG d: Abt. 1680 in
Providence, RI


Always optimistic--Dave

Gjest

Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 mai 2005 21:02:55

In a message dated 5/4/05 5:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, UTZ@aol.com
writes:

<< 5 Hugh le Despenser b: 1290 d: 24 November 1326 in Hereford, ENG
Burial:
Tewkesbury Abbey, GLS, ENG
.... +Alianor de Clare b: October 1292 in Caerphilly Castle, Glamorgan,
Wales m: Aft. 14 June 1306 in Westminster d: 30 June 1337 >>

Can you support this exact birth year for Hugh ?
Thanks
Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 mai 2005 21:11:07

In a message dated 5/4/05 5:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, UTZ@aol.com
writes:

<< 5 William de Ferrers b: 30 January 1271/72 in of Groby, LEI, ENG d:
1325
.... +Ellen de Segrave b: Abt. 1271 m: Abt. 1297 d: Aft. 09 February
1315/16 >>

Genealogics states he was born Yoxall, Stafford and died 20 Mar 1325
She had no birth year and died AFT 25 Feb 1364

Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 mai 2005 23:50:18

In a message dated 5/4/05 1:03:14 PM Central Daylight Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:

In a message dated 5/4/05 5:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, UTZ@aol.com
writes:

<< 5 Hugh le Despenser b: 1290 d: 24 November 1326 in Hereford, ENG
Burial:
Tewkesbury Abbey, GLS, ENG
..... +Alianor de Clare b: October 1292 in Caerphilly Castle, Glamorgan,
Wales m: Aft. 14 June 1306 in Westminster d: 30 June 1337 >>

Can you support this exact birth year for Hugh ?
Thanks
Will Johnson



No--gone--Thanks

Always optimistic--Dave

Gjest

Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 mai 2005 23:50:20

In a message dated 5/4/05 1:11:23 PM Central Daylight Time, WJhonson@aol.com
writes:

In a message dated 5/4/05 5:16:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, UTZ@aol.com
writes:

<< 5 William de Ferrers b: 30 January 1271/72 in of Groby, LEI, ENG d:
1325
..... +Ellen de Segrave b: Abt. 1271 m: Abt. 1297 d: Aft. 09 February
1315/16 >>

Genealogics states he was born Yoxall, Stafford and died 20 Mar 1325
She had no birth year and died AFT 25 Feb 1364

Will Johnson



Thanks

Always optimistic--Dave

Austin W. Spencer

Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Austin W. Spencer » 06 mai 2005 04:09:53

On Wed, 4 May 2005 12:16:03 +0000 (UTC), UTZ@aol.com wrote:

As always corrections are most welcome

[big snip]

I do not wish to cut Dave to the quick, but I do not believe that the parentage
of Richard Scott as presented by him is now accepted. Its veracity -- or more
precisely, the authenticity of its source documents -- was discounted first by
Sir Anthony Wagner in _English Genealogy_ (1960, 1972), 415-6, and then by the
editors of TAG in 1988, upon receipt of further evidence from the parish
registers of Glemsford, Suffolk, from Harold F. Porter, Jr. ("The Paternal
Ancestry of Thomasine Frost, Wife of Deacon Edmund-1 Rice of Sudbury, Mass.,”
TAG 63 [1988]: 129-37; editorial note at pp. 135-6).

I happen to descend from both Richard Scott and Thomasine Frost, but at the time
of my first encounter with Porter's article I was tragically insensitive to the
significance of its material on Richard Scott. There is a certain irony in the
fact that I was reintroduced to it by another post of Dave's in this forum:

“Re: Thomasine Frost (1600-1654) <-- John I?” 9 Nov 1999, message ID
<0.d16d8fdc.2559a506@aol.com>

Austin W. Spencer

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Re: Aline de Gai descents to Richard Scott

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 sep 2005 01:50:02

In combing the list archives for information on the Baliol family, I found a
message from Austin W. Spencer that stated:
I do not wish to cut Dave to the quick, but I do not believe that the
parentage
of Richard Scott as presented by him is now accepted. Its veracity -- or more
precisely, the authenticity of its source documents

Could someone tell me briefly why the parentage of Richard Scott is
incorrect. I would like to know if there is any proof that the Scotts of Scotts Hall
were descended from the Baliol family.
Barbara Good

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