Queen Victoria
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Faye Parker
Queen Victoria
How amny of her descendants were Hemophilliacs?? And wasn't one of her grandsons mentally defective or something??/ Think he died very young and was named John????
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John Steele Gordon
Re: Queen Victoria
Only one of her four sons was a hemophiliac, Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany,
who died when he was thirty-one. However three of her five daughters were
carriers, princesses Victoria, the Princess Royal, Alice (who transmitted it
to her grandson, the tsarevitch), and Beatrice.
Prince John, who was retarded (I'm not sure what a modern diagnosis would
be), was the youngest son of George V and Queen Mary, and thus a great
grandson of Victoria. There was a quite touching Masterpiece Theater show
about him last winter.
Victoria's grandson Prince Eddie, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, was George
V's older brother and would have inherited the throne had he not died at age
twenty-eight. Whether he was retarded or just dumb as a post is anyone's
guess, I think, at this point. But his death from pneumonia or whatever it
was was undoubtedly fortunate for the British monarchy.
JSG
"Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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who died when he was thirty-one. However three of her five daughters were
carriers, princesses Victoria, the Princess Royal, Alice (who transmitted it
to her grandson, the tsarevitch), and Beatrice.
Prince John, who was retarded (I'm not sure what a modern diagnosis would
be), was the youngest son of George V and Queen Mary, and thus a great
grandson of Victoria. There was a quite touching Masterpiece Theater show
about him last winter.
Victoria's grandson Prince Eddie, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, was George
V's older brother and would have inherited the throne had he not died at age
twenty-eight. Whether he was retarded or just dumb as a post is anyone's
guess, I think, at this point. But his death from pneumonia or whatever it
was was undoubtedly fortunate for the British monarchy.
JSG
"Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20050428172305.70351.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com...
How amny of her descendants were Hemophilliacs?? And wasn't one of her
grandsons mentally defective or something??/ Think he died very young and
was named John????
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Dora Smith
Re: Queen Victoria
I don't have an exactly count, but it shouldn't be too hard to learn.
Alot of her immediate descendants had hemophilia. I don't think the gene
lasted among her descendants much more than two or three generations, and
that is its fate in most families. Or was until recently. Men with the
gene did not live to sire children until recently, and it never seems to
take long for everyone to become scared to marry females of the family.
That is in fact one of the best arguments for thinking the mutation
originated Queen Victoria's conception, rather than it being the case that
her father was an unknown hemophilia carrier. It isn't a rare mutation,
and since it rarely lasts long in a single line, most people who carry the
gene are first, second or third generation carriers.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
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From: "Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: Queen Victoria
was named John????
Alot of her immediate descendants had hemophilia. I don't think the gene
lasted among her descendants much more than two or three generations, and
that is its fate in most families. Or was until recently. Men with the
gene did not live to sire children until recently, and it never seems to
take long for everyone to become scared to marry females of the family.
That is in fact one of the best arguments for thinking the mutation
originated Queen Victoria's conception, rather than it being the case that
her father was an unknown hemophilia carrier. It isn't a rare mutation,
and since it rarely lasts long in a single line, most people who carry the
gene are first, second or third generation carriers.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
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From: "Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: Queen Victoria
How amny of her descendants were Hemophilliacs?? And wasn't one of her
grandsons mentally defective or something??/ Think he died very young and
was named John????
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John Steele Gordon
Re: Queen Victoria
John Parsons informs me that Princess Victoria, the Princess Royal, in fact
was NOT a carrier of the hemophilia gene. My information came from Elizabeth
Longford's great biography of Queen Victoria and this seems to be one of her
few errors.
So, while chance would call for half of the Queen's children inheriting the
faulty gene, only a third did--two daughters and a son--so she beat the
odds.
In a way, it's a pity that Princess Victoria did not carry the fateful gene.
If she had she might have passed it on to her son, the future Kaiser Wilhelm
II, and saved the world a great deal of grief.
JSG
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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was NOT a carrier of the hemophilia gene. My information came from Elizabeth
Longford's great biography of Queen Victoria and this seems to be one of her
few errors.
So, while chance would call for half of the Queen's children inheriting the
faulty gene, only a third did--two daughters and a son--so she beat the
odds.
In a way, it's a pity that Princess Victoria did not carry the fateful gene.
If she had she might have passed it on to her son, the future Kaiser Wilhelm
II, and saved the world a great deal of grief.
JSG
"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:d7ace.37$o32.23@fe09.lga...
Only one of her four sons was a hemophiliac, Prince Leopold, Duke of
Albany, who died when he was thirty-one. However three of her five
daughters were carriers, princesses Victoria, the Princess Royal, Alice
(who transmitted it to her grandson, the tsarevitch), and Beatrice.
Prince John, who was retarded (I'm not sure what a modern diagnosis would
be), was the youngest son of George V and Queen Mary, and thus a great
grandson of Victoria. There was a quite touching Masterpiece Theater show
about him last winter.
Victoria's grandson Prince Eddie, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, was
George V's older brother and would have inherited the throne had he not
died at age twenty-eight. Whether he was retarded or just dumb as a post
is anyone's guess, I think, at this point. But his death from pneumonia or
whatever it was was undoubtedly fortunate for the British monarchy.
JSG
"Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20050428172305.70351.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com...
How amny of her descendants were Hemophilliacs?? And wasn't one of her
grandsons mentally defective or something??/ Think he died very young and
was named John????
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
by Lazarus Long
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Queen Victoria
John Steele Gordon wrote:
In fact, short of DNA testing, we can't know. Perhaps it has been done,
but it is possible that a daughter was a carrier, but because she "beat
the odds" none of her children revealed her genotype.
taf
John Parsons informs me that Princess Victoria, the Princess Royal, in fact
was NOT a carrier of the hemophilia gene. My information came from Elizabeth
Longford's great biography of Queen Victoria and this seems to be one of her
few errors.
So, while chance would call for half of the Queen's children inheriting the
faulty gene, only a third did--two daughters and a son--so she beat the
odds.
In fact, short of DNA testing, we can't know. Perhaps it has been done,
but it is possible that a daughter was a carrier, but because she "beat
the odds" none of her children revealed her genotype.
taf
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: Queen Victoria
Tony Hoskins wrote:
It is sex linked, on the X chromosome. Males only have one X, which
they get from their mother (they get their Y - male determining
chromosome, from their father, of course). Females have two X. Each
parent passes one of their copies to all offspring, the famale passing
either X (it is actually more complicated than this - they pass parts of
each, but on a single-gene level, it is easiest to think of it as one or
the other) while males pass either their X or their Y (and so
determining the geneder of the child.
One good copy is enough for normal clotting. Thus a male can only get
the mutant gene from his mother, and if he gets it, he will be a
hemophiliac. He can pass the bad gene, but only to daughters (prior to
modern medicine, few male hemophiliacs lived long enough to do this),
and every daughter of a hemophiliac is (at least) a carrier. Females
can suffer, but only if they get bad copies from both mother and father.
If they just get a copy from one parent, they will not have the
disease, but can pass either their good or bad copy to children.
taf
My understanding (not a scientist) is that hemophilia is sex-linked in
such a fashion that males "get it" from/through their mothers, but never
pass it on; and daughters do not get it, but carry it (or not) to only
male offspring.
It is sex linked, on the X chromosome. Males only have one X, which
they get from their mother (they get their Y - male determining
chromosome, from their father, of course). Females have two X. Each
parent passes one of their copies to all offspring, the famale passing
either X (it is actually more complicated than this - they pass parts of
each, but on a single-gene level, it is easiest to think of it as one or
the other) while males pass either their X or their Y (and so
determining the geneder of the child.
One good copy is enough for normal clotting. Thus a male can only get
the mutant gene from his mother, and if he gets it, he will be a
hemophiliac. He can pass the bad gene, but only to daughters (prior to
modern medicine, few male hemophiliacs lived long enough to do this),
and every daughter of a hemophiliac is (at least) a carrier. Females
can suffer, but only if they get bad copies from both mother and father.
If they just get a copy from one parent, they will not have the
disease, but can pass either their good or bad copy to children.
taf
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Tony Hoskins
Re: Queen Victoria
My understanding (not a scientist) is that hemophilia is sex-linked in
such a fashion that males "get it" from/through their mothers, but never
pass it on; and daughters do not get it, but carry it (or not) to only
male offspring.
Haven't read all postings, so perhaps this has already been discussed
and elucidated.
Tony Hoskins
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
such a fashion that males "get it" from/through their mothers, but never
pass it on; and daughters do not get it, but carry it (or not) to only
male offspring.
Haven't read all postings, so perhaps this has already been discussed
and elucidated.
Tony Hoskins
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
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T. Stanford Mommaerts-Bro
Re: Queen Victoria
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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Queen Victoria
My understanding, (admittedly limited), is that a fetus with two (2) such
genes is (was) not viable, and, if carried to term, would not survive the
trauma of birth, if at all, but very briefly.
Ford
From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@interfold.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Queen Victoria
Tony Hoskins wrote:
My understanding (not a scientist) is that hemophilia is sex-linked in
such a fashion that males "get it" from/through their mothers, but never
pass it on; and daughters do not get it, but carry it (or not) to only
male offspring.
It is sex linked, on the X chromosome. Males only have one X, which
they get from their mother (they get their Y - male determining
chromosome, from their father, of course). Females have two X. Each
parent passes one of their copies to all offspring, the famale passing
either X (it is actually more complicated than this - they pass parts of
each, but on a single-gene level, it is easiest to think of it as one or
the other) while males pass either their X or their Y (and so
determining the geneder of the child.
One good copy is enough for normal clotting. Thus a male can only get
the mutant gene from his mother, and if he gets it, he will be a
hemophiliac. He can pass the bad gene, but only to daughters (prior to
modern medicine, few male hemophiliacs lived long enough to do this),
and every daughter of a hemophiliac is (at least) a carrier. Females
can suffer, but only if they get bad copies from both mother and father.
If they just get a copy from one parent, they will not have the
disease, but can pass either their good or bad copy to children.
taf
My understanding, (admittedly limited), is that a fetus with two (2) such
genes is (was) not viable, and, if carried to term, would not survive the
trauma of birth, if at all, but very briefly.
Ford