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charlotte Smith

what does this mean

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 22 apr 2005 21:18:04

Would someone tell me what this means:

--"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
give plenar seisin of this--'

What does plenar seisin mean in this context.
Thanks for you help.

Dora Smith

Re: what does this mean

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 23 apr 2005 04:03:50

I don't precisely know - but I do know that it may not be spelled in a way
that would match up with the term in google.

Maybe it would help if you transcribed the document for us exactly as it is
spelled, with the original grammar.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
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Would someone tell me what this means:

--"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
give plenar seisin of this--'

What does plenar seisin mean in this context.
Thanks for you help.

Chris Phillips

Re: what does this mean

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 23 apr 2005 09:11:22

charlotte Smith wrote:
Would someone tell me what this means:

--"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
give plenar seisin of this--'

What does plenar seisin mean in this context.

"Seisin" is a legal term for possession of land. Presumably "plenar" is
short for "plenary", so this means "full seisin". I'm not sure what the
legal implication of _plenary_ seisin is. Perhaps someone else can help?

Chris Phillips

Randy Jones

Re: what does this mean

Legg inn av Randy Jones » 23 apr 2005 18:16:17

custos : (custodis) guardian, keeper, watchman, attendant,, guard /spy.

Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote:
charlotte Smith wrote:
Would someone tell me what this means:

--"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
give plenar seisin of this--'

What does plenar seisin mean in this context.

"Seisin" is a legal term for possession of land. Presumably "plenar" is
short for "plenary", so this means "full seisin". I'm not sure what the
legal implication of _plenary_ seisin is. Perhaps someone else can help?

Chris Phillips





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Re: what does this mean

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 23 apr 2005 22:54:12

Dora Smith wrote:
"Plenary session" would make sense. I don't know if it makes any kind of
sense in context - is there another kind of session that would make sense?

"Seisin" - not session - certainly makes sense, meaning formal possession of
land.

Chris Phillips

D. Spencer Hines

Plenar Seisin

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 apr 2005 23:09:49

_Plener Seisin_ means full possession of real property under claim of
freehold estate. It marks the completion of the feudal investiture and
the tenant, who is now in full possession, was then expected to perform
the rights of homage and fealty..

Or does your version actually read "Primer Seisin"?

Our English verb _to seize_ has the same roots -- the Middle English
verb _saisen_ , the Anglo-French _seisir_ and the Mediaeval Latin
_sacire_.

This is an infinitive that should not be split. <g>

Today we simply speak of someone who holds real property in fee simple.

DSH

""Dora Smith"" <villandra@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:008401c54847$c7420e00$6900a8c0@austin.rr.com...
| "Plenary session" would make sense. I don't know if it makes any
kind of
| sense in context - is there another kind of session that would make
sense?
|
| Yours,
| Dora Smith
| Austin, Texas
| villandra@austin.rr.com
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Randy Jones" <randyj2222@yahoo.com>
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:15 AM
| Subject: Re: what does this mean
|
| > custos : (custodis) guardian, keeper, watchman, attendant,, guard
/spy.
| >
| > Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote:
| > charlotte Smith wrote:
| > > Would someone tell me what this means:
| > >
| > > --"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
| > > give plenar seisin of this--'
| > >
| > > What does plenar seisin mean in this context.
| >
| > "Seisin" is a legal term for possession of land. Presumably "plenar"
is
| > short for "plenary", so this means "full seisin". I'm not sure what
the
| > legal implication of _plenary_ seisin is. Perhaps someone else can
help?
| >
| > Chris Phillips

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Plenar Seisin

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 apr 2005 23:25:29

Recte:

_Plenar Seisin_ means full possession of real property under claim of
freehold estate. It marks the completion of the feudal investiture and
the tenant, who is now in full possession, was then expected to perform
the rights of homage and fealty.

Think of the English words _plenty_, _plentiful_, _plentitude_
[_plenitude_] and _plenipotentiary_.

Or does your version actually read "Primer Seisin"?

Our English verb _to seize_ has the same roots -- the Middle English
verb _saisen_ , the Anglo-French _seisir_ and the Mediaeval Latin
_sacire_.

This is an infinitive that should not be split. <g>

Today we simply speak of someone who holds real property in fee simple.

DSH

""Dora Smith"" <villandra@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:008401c54847$c7420e00$6900a8c0@austin.rr.com...
| "Plenary session" would make sense. I don't know if it makes any
kind of
| sense in context - is there another kind of session that would make
sense?
|
| Yours,
| Dora Smith
| Austin, Texas
| villandra@austin.rr.com
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Randy Jones" <randyj2222@yahoo.com>
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:15 AM
| Subject: Re: what does this mean
|
| > custos : (custodis) guardian, keeper, watchman, attendant,, guard
/spy.
| >
| > Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote:
| > charlotte Smith wrote:
| > > Would someone tell me what this means:
| > >
| > > --"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
| > > give plenar seisin of this--'
| > >
| > > What does plenar seisin mean in this context.
| >
| > "Seisin" is a legal term for possession of land. Presumably "plenar"
is
| > short for "plenary", so this means "full seisin". I'm not sure what
the
| > legal implication of _plenary_ seisin is. Perhaps someone else can
help?
| >
| > Chris Phillips

Dora Smith

Re: what does this mean

Legg inn av Dora Smith » 24 apr 2005 00:02:46

"Plenary session" would make sense. I don't know if it makes any kind of
sense in context - is there another kind of session that would make sense?

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra@austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones" <randyj2222@yahoo.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: what does this mean


custos : (custodis) guardian, keeper, watchman, attendant,, guard /spy.

Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote:
charlotte Smith wrote:
Would someone tell me what this means:

--"custor of lands of Countess of Ewe is ordered to
give plenar seisin of this--'

What does plenar seisin mean in this context.

"Seisin" is a legal term for possession of land. Presumably "plenar" is
short for "plenary", so this means "full seisin". I'm not sure what the
legal implication of _plenary_ seisin is. Perhaps someone else can help?

Chris Phillips





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