Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whorwood

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Nathaniel Taylor

Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whorwood

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 25 mar 2005 02:12:05

What, exactly, does CP record of her death and burial? I see a couple
of websites showing her death as 26 May 1552 at Otford, Kent. Well, I
happen to be looking at a parish register in Warwickshire (Great
Packington), which records her burial, in a boldface hand, among the
local parish entries: "The lady Dudley wyfe to the right honorable lorde
Ambrose Dudley, Buried the 30th day of Maye anno ut supradictum" (sc.
1552).

I have not read many original 16th-century parish registers. Is it
common for the burial (or weddings or christenings) of important persons
not necessarily resident in the parish, to be recorded, perhaps if the
curate is a political admirer of theirs, or is somehow connected to
them? Or was she indeed buried in Great Packington, Warwickshire?

Nat Taylor

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Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whor

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 25 mar 2005 02:16:28

In message of 25 Mar, Nathaniel Taylor <nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net> wrote:

<snip of lady Dudley>

I have not read many original 16th-century parish registers. Is it
common for the burial (or weddings or christenings) of important
persons not necessarily resident in the parish, to be recorded,
perhaps if the curate is a political admirer of theirs, or is
somehow connected to them? Or was she indeed buried in Great
Packington, Warwickshire?

Yes I've seen it before for an chap who had died in the early 1600s out
of the parish and buried at his caput rather than his summer palace in
the parish. No-one said what the clerics should not enter in the
registers, only what they should, though I wonder what they sent off in
the Bishop's Transcripts.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

R. Battle

Re: Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whor

Legg inn av R. Battle » 25 mar 2005 02:46:20

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Nathaniel Taylor wrote:

What, exactly, does CP record of her death and burial? I see a couple
of websites showing her death as 26 May 1552 at Otford, Kent. Well, I
happen to be looking at a parish register in Warwickshire (Great
Packington), which records her burial, in a boldface hand, among the
local parish entries: "The lady Dudley wyfe to the right honorable lorde
Ambrose Dudley, Buried the 30th day of Maye anno ut supradictum" (sc.
1552).
snip


C.P. says that she "d.s.p.s. 26 May 1552 at Otford, Kent" with a footnote
as follows: "Genealogist, N.S., vol. xiv, p. 277. Her illness was of an
infectious nature (Cal. S. P. Dom., 1547-80, p. 39; cf. Acts of P. C.,
1552-54, p. 66)." I don't have a good answer to your larger question,
but it seems that barring evidence of a burial (not just death) elsewhere,
the burial appears to have taken place in Great Packington. With 3-4 days
in between the dates of death and burial there would have been time to
move the body for burial, though the question would be why this particular
parish was chosen. If the illness was of an "infectious" enough nature to
warrant notice, perhaps she had been moved to Otford to prevent infection
of the household, thus accounting for why she was not buried where she
died.

-Robert Battle

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whor

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 25 mar 2005 03:14:24

In article
<Pine.A41.4.61b.0503241733520.31778@dante74.u.washington.edu>,
"R. Battle" <battle@u.washington.edu> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Nathaniel Taylor wrote:

What, exactly, does CP record of her death and burial? I see a couple
of websites showing her death as 26 May 1552 at Otford, Kent. Well, I
happen to be looking at a parish register in Warwickshire (Great
Packington), which records her burial, in a boldface hand, among the
local parish entries: "The lady Dudley wyfe to the right honorable lorde
Ambrose Dudley, Buried the 30th day of Maye anno ut supradictum" (sc.
1552).
snip

C.P. says that she "d.s.p.s. 26 May 1552 at Otford, Kent" with a footnote
as follows: "Genealogist, N.S., vol. xiv, p. 277. Her illness was of an
infectious nature (Cal. S. P. Dom., 1547-80, p. 39; cf. Acts of P. C.,
1552-54, p. 66)." I don't have a good answer to your larger question,
but it seems that barring evidence of a burial (not just death) elsewhere,
the burial appears to have taken place in Great Packington. With 3-4 days
in between the dates of death and burial there would have been time to
move the body for burial, though the question would be why this particular
parish was chosen. If the illness was of an "infectious" enough nature to
warrant notice, perhaps she had been moved to Otford to prevent infection
of the household, thus accounting for why she was not buried where she
died.

Thanks, Robert. Was Great Packington a Dudley manor or seat? I'm not
aware of it; and if not, I'm not sure what the connection would have
been. Perhaps the body was enroute to somewhere else, and it was
decided that she needed to get underground quickly (for epidemiological
reasons?). And if she was buried there--even if it was a hasty
decision, why is there no MI that has attracted notice? Perhaps a
MI-in-planning got lost in the shuffle when Dudley went into the slammer
the following year, after that poor Queen Jane incident.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

R. Battle

Re: Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whor

Legg inn av R. Battle » 25 mar 2005 06:49:15

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
<snip>
Thanks, Robert. Was Great Packington a Dudley manor or seat? I'm not
aware of it; and if not, I'm not sure what the connection would have
been. Perhaps the body was enroute to somewhere else, and it was
decided that she needed to get underground quickly (for epidemiological
reasons?). And if she was buried there--even if it was a hasty
decision, why is there no MI that has attracted notice? Perhaps a
MI-in-planning got lost in the shuffle when Dudley went into the slammer
the following year, after that poor Queen Jane incident.
snip


I am not aware of any Dudley-Great Packington connection either. It could
very well be that she was not actually buried there; my point was that the
default assumption would be that she was, since the burial was recorded
there (and there may have been reason that she died somewhere where she
would not be buried). Your hypotheses have some merit, IMHO. Does anyone
know if there is/was a MI or any sort of record of a burial elsewhere (or
conversely whether there was a Dudley or Whorwood connection with Great
Packington)?

-Robert Battle

Chris Phillips

Re: Ambrose Dudley [Earl of Warwick]'s first wife (Anne Whor

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 25 mar 2005 10:42:49

Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
Thanks, Robert. Was Great Packington a Dudley manor or seat? I'm not
aware of it; and if not, I'm not sure what the connection would have
been. Perhaps the body was enroute to somewhere else, and it was
decided that she needed to get underground quickly (for epidemiological
reasons?). And if she was buried there--even if it was a hasty
decision, why is there no MI that has attracted notice? Perhaps a
MI-in-planning got lost in the shuffle when Dudley went into the slammer
the following year, after that poor Queen Jane incident.

If anyone is within easy reach of the Victoria County History of
Warwickshire, vol. 4, (indexed in a combined volume for vols 1-6), it may
shed some light on any Dudley connections to the manor, and also on the
possibility of a monumental inscription in the church.

Chris Phillips

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