Guy LeBouteillier question

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Roger LeBlanc

Guy LeBouteillier question

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 15 mar 2005 23:45:24

In studying the confusing movement of various seigneuries held by the
LeBouteillier family in the fifteenth century as presented in the Table
d'ascendence de Catherine Baillon, a question presents itself.

Guy (I) LeBouteillier became the seigneur -as his father had previously
been- of La Bouteillerie apparently by 1417. His older brother Jean had
been the first recipient though, between 1408 and 1413, with a son of
his own by the latter date.
Is it known when exactly or how Guy inherited LaBouteillerie? The
authors of the Table d'ascendence infer it is due to the death of the
brother Jean (and nephew?). Is any additional information available on
the subject?

Roger LeBlanc

jean bunot

Re: Guy LeBouteillier question

Legg inn av jean bunot » 16 mar 2005 03:46:55

To my knowledge, nothing more is known concerning the seigneurie de La
Bouteillerie. The authors of Table d'ascendance de Catherine Baillon
did a very thorough job. You might want though to view the following
links. With my compliments. Jean Bunot

http://www.univ-lehavre.fr/cybernat/pages/parcroue.htm

http://www.ville-lehavre.fr/decouvrir/t ... elles2.htm

http://perso.normandnet.fr/lbotiler/history.html




leblancr@mts.net (Roger LeBlanc) wrote in message news:<42375781.4050000@mts.net>...
In studying the confusing movement of various seigneuries held by the
LeBouteillier family in the fifteenth century as presented in the Table
d'ascendence de Catherine Baillon, a question presents itself.

Guy (I) LeBouteillier became the seigneur -as his father had previously
been- of La Bouteillerie apparently by 1417. His older brother Jean had
been the first recipient though, between 1408 and 1413, with a son of
his own by the latter date.
Is it known when exactly or how Guy inherited LaBouteillerie? The
authors of the Table d'ascendence infer it is due to the death of the
brother Jean (and nephew?). Is any additional information available on
the subject?

Roger LeBlanc

John P. DuLong

Re: Guy LeBouteillier question

Legg inn av John P. DuLong » 20 mar 2005 16:49:02

Roger LeBlanc wrote:

Guy (I) LeBouteillier became the seigneur -as his father had previously
been- of La Bouteillerie apparently by 1417. His older brother Jean had
been the first recipient though, between 1408 and 1413, with a son of
his own by the latter date.
Is it known when exactly or how Guy inherited LaBouteillerie? The
authors of the Table d'ascendence infer it is due to the death of the
brother Jean (and nephew?). Is any additional information available on
the subject?

Good question, wish I could recall a good answer.

Looking at the pages of our book, I see on p. 94, we mention Guy I Le
Bouteillier coming into the seigneurie of Le Bouteillerie between 1 May
1413 and 16 November 1417 following the death of his brother Jean.
There is no mention made of a nephew. Presumably, the brother and
nephew would both be dead by 1417 as you indicate that the nephew was
still alive in 1413. However, I do not recall precisely the mechanism
of how Le Bouteillerie came into Guy's hands. Nor do I recall this
being an issue the co-authors ever debated or wondered about.

Unfortunately, my notes and files regarding the Baillon ancestry are
inaccessible at this time until I set up my new home office. However, I
do recall that the best data we found regarding the Le Bouteillier
family came from Jean-Marc Roger's "Guy Le Bouteillier," _Actes du 101e
Congrès national des sociétés savantes, Lille, 1976_, Section de
philologie et d'historie jusqu'à 1610, Paris, Bibliothèque nationale,
1978, pp. 271-329. If there is a clear and precise answer to your
question, then it should be in this work. You should be able to get a
photocopy of this article through interlibrary loan.

By the way, M. Roger wrote two other key articles dealing with the
related Morhier family which are also listed in the bibliography of our
book. These articles are interesting to read because it places Guy Le
Bouteillier and Simon Morhier in the historical context of the turbulent
Hundred Years War.

JP

Roger LeBlanc

Re: Guy LeBouteillier question

Legg inn av Roger LeBlanc » 23 mar 2005 21:00:02

Thank you for the reply John.
My reference to the nephew of Guy I LeBouteillier comes from p. 112 of
the Table d'ascendance. In the footnote regarding the conjectural date
for the LeBouteillier/de Bréauté marriage "Le 1er mai 1413, leur fils
ainé Jean LeBouteillier a un fils mineur...".
You will have to excuse me; it was a fishing trip. I appreciate the
noted references, and will keep plugging away.

Roger

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