Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

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Kelsey Williams

Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

Legg inn av Kelsey Williams » 05 mar 2005 22:34:06

Hello,

Last month John Brandon mentioned the possibility of a royal descent
for Robert Hume of Charleston, SC (d. 1737) and his nephew, also named
Robert. Since then I've examined William Betham's _Baronetage of
England_ which contains a fairly detailed pedigree of this family and
have developed a royal descent for the Humes which is reproduced below.
If anyone has any comments, corrections, &c. please let me know.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

-----------------------------

1. James II, King of Scots = Marie of Gueldres

2. Mary Stewart, Princess of Scots = James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton

3. Elizabeth Hamilton = Matthew Stuart, 2nd Earl of Lennox

4. Elizabeth Stuart = Sir Hugh Campbell of Loudoun

5. Marian Campbell = James Carmichael of Hyndford

6. Walter Carmichael of Hyndford = Grizel Carmichael

7. Marian Carmichael = James Steuart, younger of Allanton

8. Sir James Steuart of Coltness and Kirkfield = Anne Hope

9. Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank, 1st Bt. = Jean Gilmour

10. Margaret Steuart = Andrew Kerr of Morrison

11. ________ Kerr = Alexander Home of Houndwood & Fernyside
12. Robert Home (later Hume) = Hannah Curtis

13. Robert Hume, of Charleston, South Carolina, married Sophia, dau. of
Henry Wigington, died 1737.

13. Peter Hume = [unknown]

14. Robert Hume, of Charleston, South Carolina, died 1766, leaving
issue.



Sources

* William Betham, The Barontage of England . . ., Vol. 3 (London,
1803), 357-360 (Hume).

George Crawford & George Robertson, A General Description of the Shire
of Renfrew . . . (1710; reprinted, Paisley, 1818), non vid. (Steuart).

Sir Bernard Burke, A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant,
Forfeited and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, New Edition
(London, 1883), 105 (Hyndford).

Sir James Balfour Paul (ed.), The Scots Peerage, 9v. (Edinburgh,
1904-1914), sub Loudoun.

George E. Cokayne, et al., The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland,
Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or
Dormant, 13v. in 14 (London, 1910-1959), VI: 254-255 (Hamilton), VII:
596 (Lennox).

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 05 mar 2005 23:50:45

In message of 5 Mar, "Kelsey Williams" <gkkwilliams@cowboy.net> wrote:

Hello,

Last month John Brandon mentioned the possibility of a royal descent
for Robert Hume of Charleston, SC (d. 1737) and his nephew, also named
Robert. Since then I've examined William Betham's _Baronetage of
England_ which contains a fairly detailed pedigree of this family and
have developed a royal descent for the Humes which is reproduced below.
If anyone has any comments, corrections, &c. please let me know.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

-----------------------------

1. James II, King of Scots = Marie of Gueldres

2. Mary Stewart, Princess of Scots = James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton

3. Elizabeth Hamilton = Matthew Stuart, 2nd Earl of Lennox

4. Elizabeth Stuart = Sir Hugh Campbell of Loudoun

Yes, Eliz m. Hugh in Scots Peerage, Vol 5, p. 351.

However SP, Vol 5, p. 496, says Hugh m. Margaret, dau. of Matthew earl
of Lennox.

5. Marian Campbell = James Carmichael of Hyndford

This is where the big problem is (and several years ago I raised it on
this newsgroup - with no answer):

In Douglas' Peerage, Marion is there as a daughter of Hugh. The latest
version of Burke's Landed Gentry of Scotland repeats her existence in
the Carmichael article but, as ever, there is no sign of any research
on the matter.

However in the Scots Peerage, Vol 5 p. 496, Marion is not listed as a
daughter of Hugh Campbell and Margaret Stewart. There is nothing in the
footnotes about this omission either. There is no correction in the
Corrigenda in Vol 9.

6. Walter Carmichael of Hyndford = Grizel Carmichael

7. Marian Carmichael = James Steuart, younger of Allanton

8. Sir James Steuart of Coltness and Kirkfield = Anne Hope

9. Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank, 1st Bt. = Jean Gilmour

I think these last four generations can be corroborated reasonably.

No idea about the remainder.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

starbuck95

Re: Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

Legg inn av starbuck95 » 06 mar 2005 16:25:20

Thanks for posting this, Kelsey. Very interesting, even if not
completely proved ...

Kelsey Williams

Re: Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

Legg inn av Kelsey Williams » 06 mar 2005 22:48:30

Hello,

Thanks very much for your observations on this line. In light of what
you say I'm very much inclined to downgrade it to a possibility at
best. Even so, it seems likely that the Humes have _some_ sort of
royal descent even if it's not one from James II. One possible (&
interesting) avenue of research would be to attempt to trace the origin
of Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank's grandmother Jacqueline de Tot, "a
French lady" (Burke's P [1970], 1369) who married Henry Hope & was the
mother of Sir Thomas Hope of Craighall, 1st Bt. Another would be to
work on the male lines of the Hume & Kerr families, which I haven't yet
investigated. They may have married into families with royal descents
(of course one can trace a royal descent from the pre-Stewart kings of
Scotland quite easily but I try to limit myself to descents from Robert
II or better).

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams


Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
In message of 5 Mar, "Kelsey Williams" <gkkwilliams@cowboy.net
wrote:

Hello,

Last month John Brandon mentioned the possibility of a royal
descent
for Robert Hume of Charleston, SC (d. 1737) and his nephew, also
named
Robert. Since then I've examined William Betham's _Baronetage of
England_ which contains a fairly detailed pedigree of this family
and
have developed a royal descent for the Humes which is reproduced
below.
If anyone has any comments, corrections, &c. please let me know.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

-----------------------------

1. James II, King of Scots = Marie of Gueldres

2. Mary Stewart, Princess of Scots = James Hamilton, 1st Lord
Hamilton

3. Elizabeth Hamilton = Matthew Stuart, 2nd Earl of Lennox

4. Elizabeth Stuart = Sir Hugh Campbell of Loudoun

Yes, Eliz m. Hugh in Scots Peerage, Vol 5, p. 351.

However SP, Vol 5, p. 496, says Hugh m. Margaret, dau. of Matthew
earl
of Lennox.


5. Marian Campbell = James Carmichael of Hyndford

This is where the big problem is (and several years ago I raised it
on
this newsgroup - with no answer):

In Douglas' Peerage, Marion is there as a daughter of Hugh. The
latest
version of Burke's Landed Gentry of Scotland repeats her existence in
the Carmichael article but, as ever, there is no sign of any research
on the matter.

However in the Scots Peerage, Vol 5 p. 496, Marion is not listed as a
daughter of Hugh Campbell and Margaret Stewart. There is nothing in
the
footnotes about this omission either. There is no correction in the
Corrigenda in Vol 9.

6. Walter Carmichael of Hyndford = Grizel Carmichael

7. Marian Carmichael = James Steuart, younger of Allanton

8. Sir James Steuart of Coltness and Kirkfield = Anne Hope

9. Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank, 1st Bt. = Jean Gilmour

I think these last four generations can be corroborated reasonably.

No idea about the remainder.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Robert & Robert Hume of South Carolina

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 06 mar 2005 23:48:21

In message of 6 Mar, "Kelsey Williams" <gkkwilliams@cowboy.net> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks very much for your observations on this line. In light of what
you say I'm very much inclined to downgrade it to a possibility at
best. Even so, it seems likely that the Humes have _some_ sort of
royal descent even if it's not one from James II. One possible (&
interesting) avenue of research would be to attempt to trace the origin
of Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank's grandmother Jacqueline de Tot, "a
French lady" (Burke's P [1970], 1369) who married Henry Hope & was the
mother of Sir Thomas Hope of Craighall, 1st Bt.

If you find anything on Jacqueline, etc, let us know. I've never seen a
glimmer on anything of her ancestry.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

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