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Legg inn av jlsoler » 02 mar 2005 23:16:33

in which way this is false...

many thanks
Ascendants de Theophylactus de BYZANCE

Jusqu'à la 11e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Theophylactus de BYZANCE +813
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Michael Ier Rhangabe de BYZANCE +848
b.. 3 - Prokia de BYZANCE
c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus Ier de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - ? ?
d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Irène de BYZANCE
e.. Génération 5
a.. 24 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 25 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 26 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 27 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS +750
f..
g.. Ascendants de Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE

Jusqu'à la 8e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE ca 740-820
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Bardus "Vard" ? +791
b.. 3 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - Irène de BYZANCE
d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 14 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 15 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS
h..


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jlucsoler@modulonet.fr
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Kelsey Williams

Re: ranghabe

Legg inn av Kelsey Williams » 03 mar 2005 01:04:08

Hello,

See below . . .

jlsoler wrote:
in which way this is false...

many thanks
Ascendants de Theophylactus de BYZANCE

Jusqu'à la 11e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Theophylactus de BYZANCE +813
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Michael Ier Rhangabe de BYZANCE +848
b.. 3 - Prokia de BYZANCE
c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus Ier de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - ? ?

The problem is right here. Emperor Nikephoros I (r. 802-811) was born
in Seleukia, ca. 760, and was probably of Arab origin (_Oxford
Dictionary of Byzantium_, III: 1476). Although clearly from an
aristocratic background, I know of no reason to suppose that he was a
son of the co-emperor Nikephoros or a grandson of Constantine V,
something which surely would have been mentioned in contemporary
sources.

d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Irène de BYZANCE

I am aware of no evidence to suggest that Nikephoros (who was blinded
along with his father in November 743 [ODB I: 192]) married a daughter
of Constantine. Indeed, according to Du Cange's _Historia Byzantina_
(p. 125), the only child Constantine & Irene had was Constantine's
successor, Leo the Khazar.

e.. Génération 5
a.. 24 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 25 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 26 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 27 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS +750
f..
g.. Ascendants de Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE

Jusqu'à la 8e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE ca 740-820
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Bardus "Vard" ? +791
b.. 3 - Anna de BYZANCE

I am aware of no source which indicates the name and/or origin of
Bardas' wife. Du Cange, Toumanoff and the ODB are silent as to her
origin, which probably means that there simply is no evidence
concerning her. I suspect "Anna" is an invention.

c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - Irène de BYZANCE

See my comments above about this couple.

d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 14 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 15 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS
h..


--
J.Luc SOLER
zglorg@modulonet.fr
jlucsoler@modulonet.fr
http://gw1.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=soler

I hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

jlsoler

Re: ranghabe

Legg inn av jlsoler » 03 mar 2005 10:01:35

it helps a lot thanks



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jlucsoler@modulonet.fr
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"Kelsey Williams" <gkkwilliams@cowboy.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
1109806497.972431.87260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Hello,

See below . . .

jlsoler wrote:
in which way this is false...

many thanks
Ascendants de Theophylactus de BYZANCE

Jusqu'à la 11e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Theophylactus de BYZANCE +813
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Michael Ier Rhangabe de BYZANCE +848
b.. 3 - Prokia de BYZANCE
c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus Ier de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - ? ?

The problem is right here. Emperor Nikephoros I (r. 802-811) was born
in Seleukia, ca. 760, and was probably of Arab origin (_Oxford
Dictionary of Byzantium_, III: 1476). Although clearly from an
aristocratic background, I know of no reason to suppose that he was a
son of the co-emperor Nikephoros or a grandson of Constantine V,
something which surely would have been mentioned in contemporary
sources.

d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Irène de BYZANCE

I am aware of no evidence to suggest that Nikephoros (who was blinded
along with his father in November 743 [ODB I: 192]) married a daughter
of Constantine. Indeed, according to Du Cange's _Historia Byzantina_
(p. 125), the only child Constantine & Irene had was Constantine's
successor, Leo the Khazar.

e.. Génération 5
a.. 24 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 25 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 26 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 27 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS +750
f..
g.. Ascendants de Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE

Jusqu'à la 8e génération.
a.. Génération 1
a.. 1 - Léo V Gnuni d'ARMÉNIE ca 740-820
b.. Génération 2
a.. 2 - Bardus "Vard" ? +791
b.. 3 - Anna de BYZANCE

I am aware of no source which indicates the name and/or origin of
Bardas' wife. Du Cange, Toumanoff and the ODB are silent as to her
origin, which probably means that there simply is no evidence
concerning her. I suspect "Anna" is an invention.

c.. Génération 3
a.. 6 - Nicephorus de BYZANCE
b.. 7 - Irène de BYZANCE

See my comments above about this couple.

d.. Génération 4
a.. 12 - Artasvasdas de BYZANCE
b.. 13 - Anna de BYZANCE
c.. 14 - Constantin V de BYZANCE 718-775
d.. 15 - Tzitzakion "Irene Helena" de KHAZARS
h..


--
J.Luc SOLER
zglorg@modulonet.fr
jlucsoler@modulonet.fr
http://gw1.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=soler

I hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

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