Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
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Douglas Richardson royala
Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
Dear Newsgroup ~
Copinger's Manors of Suffolk, 4 (1909): 318 gives the following
descent.
1. JOAN ARGENTINE, married BARTHOLOMEW NAUNTON, Knt., of Naunton Hall
(in Rendlesham), Suffolk.
2. MARGARET NAUNTON, heiress, living 1376/7, married ROBERT BOKENHAM.
3.MARGARET BOKENHAM, heiress, married BARTHOLOMEW BACON.
4. MARGARET BACON, heiress, married ROBERT FITZ RALPH.
I find the latter couple mentioned in Suffolk fines dated 1425/6 and
1427/8, although they are not in the index [Reference: Rye, Feet of
Fines for Suffolk (1900): 289, 291]. I seem to remember that the Fitz
Ralph family is ancestral to the Chamberlain family.
Elsewhere, on the internet, I find statements that a James Spencer,
born circa 1522, was of Naunton Hall in Rendlesham. James Spencer is
ancestral to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill. I don't know if
there is a connection between the Spencer family and the earlier owners
of Naunton Hall or not.
If anyone has particulars of these people, I'd appreciate hearing from
them here on the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
Copinger's Manors of Suffolk, 4 (1909): 318 gives the following
descent.
1. JOAN ARGENTINE, married BARTHOLOMEW NAUNTON, Knt., of Naunton Hall
(in Rendlesham), Suffolk.
2. MARGARET NAUNTON, heiress, living 1376/7, married ROBERT BOKENHAM.
3.MARGARET BOKENHAM, heiress, married BARTHOLOMEW BACON.
4. MARGARET BACON, heiress, married ROBERT FITZ RALPH.
I find the latter couple mentioned in Suffolk fines dated 1425/6 and
1427/8, although they are not in the index [Reference: Rye, Feet of
Fines for Suffolk (1900): 289, 291]. I seem to remember that the Fitz
Ralph family is ancestral to the Chamberlain family.
Elsewhere, on the internet, I find statements that a James Spencer,
born circa 1522, was of Naunton Hall in Rendlesham. James Spencer is
ancestral to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill. I don't know if
there is a connection between the Spencer family and the earlier owners
of Naunton Hall or not.
If anyone has particulars of these people, I'd appreciate hearing from
them here on the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Leo van de Pas
Spencer Question was Re: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fi
----- Original Message -----
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
As far as I know Sir Winston does not have this James Spencer in his
paternal line. Can you tell how he is an ancestor of Sir Winston?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
Elsewhere, on the internet, I find statements that a James Spencer,
born circa 1522, was of Naunton Hall in Rendlesham. James Spencer is
ancestral to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill. I don't know if
there is a connection between the Spencer family and the earlier owners
of Naunton Hall or not.
If anyone has particulars of these people, I'd appreciate hearing from
them here on the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
-----Dear Douglas,
As far as I know Sir Winston does not have this James Spencer in his
paternal line. Can you tell how he is an ancestor of Sir Winston?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Spencer Question was Re: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Baco
This James Spencer is certainly NOT an agnatic ancestor of Sir Winston.
Sir JOHN Spencer of Snitterfield, who died in 1522, is an ancestor of
Sir Winston -- and also of FDR.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002a01c51c3c$b4e5c620$c3b4fea9@email...
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:51 AM
| Subject: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
|
|
| > Elsewhere, on the internet, I find statements that a James Spencer,
| > born circa 1522, was of Naunton Hall in Rendlesham. James Spencer
is
| > ancestral to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill. I don't know if
| > there is a connection between the Spencer family and the earlier
owners
| > of Naunton Hall or not.
| > If anyone has particulars of these people, I'd appreciate hearing
from
| > them here on the newsgroup.
| > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
| -----Dear Douglas,
| As far as I know Sir Winston does not have this James Spencer in his
| paternal line. Can you tell how he is an ancestor of Sir Winston?
| Many thanks
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
Sir JOHN Spencer of Snitterfield, who died in 1522, is an ancestor of
Sir Winston -- and also of FDR.
DSH
""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:002a01c51c3c$b4e5c620$c3b4fea9@email...
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <royalancestry@msn.com>
| To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:51 AM
| Subject: Argentine-Naunton-Bokenham-Bacon-Fitz Ralph
|
|
| > Elsewhere, on the internet, I find statements that a James Spencer,
| > born circa 1522, was of Naunton Hall in Rendlesham. James Spencer
is
| > ancestral to Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill. I don't know if
| > there is a connection between the Spencer family and the earlier
owners
| > of Naunton Hall or not.
| > If anyone has particulars of these people, I'd appreciate hearing
from
| > them here on the newsgroup.
| > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
| -----Dear Douglas,
| As far as I know Sir Winston does not have this James Spencer in his
| paternal line. Can you tell how he is an ancestor of Sir Winston?
| Many thanks
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
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Dolly Ziegler
(OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
Writer coins a word new to me, "Googleized."
The Harvard University Library director is quoted as wanting to make
certain that Google doesn't damage books, or lose them, or keep them out
of circulation too long; and that Google needs a better sense of the price
of wholesale digitization.
If the pilot project is successful, Google will start on all 15 million
Harvard books, "a job that will likely take between five and 10 years."
Anyone know if Google has started work at Stanford, University of
Michigan, New York Public Library or Oxford University?
Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
Writer coins a word new to me, "Googleized."
The Harvard University Library director is quoted as wanting to make
certain that Google doesn't damage books, or lose them, or keep them out
of circulation too long; and that Google needs a better sense of the price
of wholesale digitization.
If the pilot project is successful, Google will start on all 15 million
Harvard books, "a job that will likely take between five and 10 years."
Anyone know if Google has started work at Stanford, University of
Michigan, New York Public Library or Oxford University?
Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
In message of 26 Feb, dsz@bcpl.net (Dolly Ziegler) wrote:
I wonder what this is supposed to apply to? There are several firms
who have made a useful living out of copying old books and provided a
service to not a few. Similarly there are second hand book shops
who provide a useful service.
Will this Google copying kill their businesses? Will much of the
second hand market dry up? How many people will be put out of work?
And if this should harm a few people, do the owners of Google care?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
Writer coins a word new to me, "Googleized."
I wonder what this is supposed to apply to? There are several firms
who have made a useful living out of copying old books and provided a
service to not a few. Similarly there are second hand book shops
who provide a useful service.
Will this Google copying kill their businesses? Will much of the
second hand market dry up? How many people will be put out of work?
And if this should harm a few people, do the owners of Google care?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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norenxaq
Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
Dolly Ziegler wrote:
once complete, how and in what form will these be accessible?
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
once complete, how and in what form will these be accessible?
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Richard C. Browning, Jr.
RE: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
I wonder whether or not the second hand book shops will be impacted or not, but I
understand the threat to those few companies that now provide rare books on CDRom. But
one has to look at both sides, the negative impact to these companies, and the positive
impact of having the ability to search doing a google search and having the reference for
an entry in a rare book, located only at vert few libraries, that matches your search
topic show up. Additionally, as they point out, if it's copyrighted only a small snippet
and links to where to find it (for sale or in the library stacks) are given. See
http://print.google.com/ for details, specifically the answers to FAQs 3. and 4.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
understand the threat to those few companies that now provide rare books on CDRom. But
one has to look at both sides, the negative impact to these companies, and the positive
impact of having the ability to search doing a google search and having the reference for
an entry in a rare book, located only at vert few libraries, that matches your search
topic show up. Additionally, as they point out, if it's copyrighted only a small snippet
and links to where to find it (for sale or in the library stacks) are given. See
http://print.google.com/ for details, specifically the answers to FAQs 3. and 4.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Powys-Lybbe [mailto:tim@powys.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 16:53
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
In message of 26 Feb, dsz@bcpl.net (Dolly Ziegler) wrote:
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard
Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books
there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in
"Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
Writer coins a word new to me, "Googleized."
I wonder what this is supposed to apply to? There are
several firms who have made a useful living out of copying
old books and provided a service to not a few. Similarly
there are second hand book shops who provide a useful service.
Will this Google copying kill their businesses? Will much of
the second hand market dry up? How many people will be put
out of work?
And if this should harm a few people, do the owners of Google care?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
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Dolly Ziegler
Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, norenxaq wrote:
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030500.html
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Dolly Ziegler wrote:
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
once complete, how and in what form will these be accessible?
The article is online at
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030500.html
==========================================================
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Scaly Lizard
Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:17:17 +0000 (UTC), dsz@bcpl.net (Dolly Ziegler)
wrote:
Thanks for the link, it's interesting stuff. Sounds like a big
project; perhaps that's why recruitment ads from Google
showed up in various magazines last Summer and Fall?
A project of this scale brings to mind some questions:
* Is the OCR software they use fail-safe, or does it require
editing by human eyes? If the latter, are there /enough/
human eyes on the job to ensure the product is typo-free
to the level expected by a non-casual researcher?
* How long will a library of 15 million books remain "free to
browse", and what will be the definition of "free"? Will they
offer free access to people who register for a free account,
knowing that the data they collect (tying email adresses to
page viewings) will be of great value to marketing firms?
* What safeguards are in place to ensure that no further
editing is done on the product? The inherent flaw in digital
storage is that words in files can be easily changed after
publication, whereas changes to the words in a paper book
are difficult to conceal. Reliance on digitization heralds the
eventuality of some jackass hacker penetrating a few core
libraries and ammending books to make it appear that Ralph
Waldo Emerson is the true author of "Lucy In The Sky With
Diamonds". Mark my words: it'll happen and we'll all laugh
about it when it does, but some will be laughing nervously.
The future's bright, but no so bright that we need to squint.
SL
wrote:
Google staff began work in mid-January at the Harvard Depository on a
pilot project to digitize 40,000 of the five million books there, and
"should finish by summer," according to a report in "Harvard Magazine,"
March-April 2005.
Writer coins a word new to me, "Googleized."
The Harvard University Library director is quoted as wanting to make
certain that Google doesn't damage books, or lose them, or keep them out
of circulation too long; and that Google needs a better sense of the price
of wholesale digitization.
If the pilot project is successful, Google will start on all 15 million
Harvard books, "a job that will likely take between five and 10 years."
Anyone know if Google has started work at Stanford, University of
Michigan, New York Public Library or Oxford University?
Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA
Thanks for the link, it's interesting stuff. Sounds like a big
project; perhaps that's why recruitment ads from Google
showed up in various magazines last Summer and Fall?
A project of this scale brings to mind some questions:
* Is the OCR software they use fail-safe, or does it require
editing by human eyes? If the latter, are there /enough/
human eyes on the job to ensure the product is typo-free
to the level expected by a non-casual researcher?
* How long will a library of 15 million books remain "free to
browse", and what will be the definition of "free"? Will they
offer free access to people who register for a free account,
knowing that the data they collect (tying email adresses to
page viewings) will be of great value to marketing firms?
* What safeguards are in place to ensure that no further
editing is done on the product? The inherent flaw in digital
storage is that words in files can be easily changed after
publication, whereas changes to the words in a paper book
are difficult to conceal. Reliance on digitization heralds the
eventuality of some jackass hacker penetrating a few core
libraries and ammending books to make it appear that Ralph
Waldo Emerson is the true author of "Lucy In The Sky With
Diamonds". Mark my words: it'll happen and we'll all laugh
about it when it does, but some will be laughing nervously.
The future's bright, but no so bright that we need to squint.
SL
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Gordon Banks
Re: (OT) Update, Googleized at Harvard
On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 22:53 +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
They probably figure it will help many more than it will hurt, and they
will be right.
--
Gordon Banks <geb@gordonbanks.com>
Will this Google copying kill their businesses? Will much of the
second hand market dry up? How many people will be put out of work?
And if this should harm a few people, do the owners of Google care?
They probably figure it will help many more than it will hurt, and they
will be right.
--
Gordon Banks <geb@gordonbanks.com>