"STIRNET Information"

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Peter Bales

"STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Peter Bales » 25 feb 2005 08:10:01

Hi List

Does anybody know anything about this site http://www.stirnet.com which I only recently stumbled across.

It is a site that appears to provide web based medieval family pedigrees extracted from such sources (reliable or otherwise) such as Burkes (various editions and years), relevant Family Histories / publications, TCP (or should that be TPC?) and Visitations to list a few, with links between other family surnames!

These references also appear to have be added to or corrected as maybe required and contain various comments presumably made by the sites owner etc?.

I do not recall seeing anything on this list about it and was interested in gaining some feedback.

Peter
Syd Aust

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 25 feb 2005 10:34:13

In message of 25 Feb, bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter Bales") wrote:

Hi List

Does anybody know anything about this site http://www.stirnet.com which I
only recently stumbled across.

It is a site that appears to provide web based medieval family
pedigrees extracted from such sources (reliable or otherwise) such as
Burkes (various editions and years), relevant Family Histories /
publications, TCP (or should that be TPC?) and Visitations to list a
few, with links between other family surnames!

It is indeed precisely that, as the authors tell us. They do not have
the time to do full research.

These references also appear to have be added to or corrected as
maybe required and contain various comments presumably made by the
sites owner etc?.

I do not recall seeing anything on this list about it and was
interested in gaining some feedback.

If you are satisfied with Burke as a source, then Stirnet is very
useful. The invaluable use of Burke is to give you leads, not answers.
Having got the leads you can then do some research to find better sourced
information.

The weakness, and sometimes the strength, of Burke's volumes is that
they rely solely on members of the various families to provide their
pedigrees to Burke. Neither Burke nor his latter-day staff do
research. They ask people to write in with corrections; I have provided
a couple of minor ones and will be interested to see on any next reissue
whether they are included.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Renia

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Renia » 25 feb 2005 11:56:30

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:

In message of 25 Feb, bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter Bales") wrote:


Hi List

Does anybody know anything about this site http://www.stirnet.com which I
only recently stumbled across.

It is a site that appears to provide web based medieval family
pedigrees extracted from such sources (reliable or otherwise) such as
Burkes (various editions and years), relevant Family Histories /
publications, TCP (or should that be TPC?) and Visitations to list a
few, with links between other family surnames!


It is indeed precisely that, as the authors tell us. They do not have
the time to do full research.


These references also appear to have be added to or corrected as
maybe required and contain various comments presumably made by the
sites owner etc?.

I do not recall seeing anything on this list about it and was
interested in gaining some feedback.


If you are satisfied with Burke as a source, then Stirnet is very
useful. The invaluable use of Burke is to give you leads, not answers.
Having got the leads you can then do some research to find better sourced
information.

The weakness, and sometimes the strength, of Burke's volumes is that
they rely solely on members of the various families to provide their
pedigrees to Burke. Neither Burke nor his latter-day staff do
research. They ask people to write in with corrections; I have provided
a couple of minor ones and will be interested to see on any next reissue
whether they are included.

The Stirnet site seems to try to give as reliable info as it can from
the resources it uses, but it is also quite useful in that it sometimes
points out areas of doubt.

Renia

Gjest

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 feb 2005 15:21:01

I came across Stirnet about three years ago and posted its URL on the
Gen-medieval list. There were some 'interesting' critiques. Since then the owner
has endeavoured to give better indications as to his sources!
regards
Peter de Loriol

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 25 feb 2005 21:59:57

Might one add that stirnet.com is the work of one Peter Barnes-Graham?

I think it is always important to acknowledge the author of a website.
In this case, though he uses corporate language in places, he also
admits that the site is mostly (if not entirely) his work at present.

I too find it very helpful, while recognizing the limitations of
material drawn from Burke's, etc.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

Gjest

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 feb 2005 22:41:02

Mathaniel wrote: "Might one add that stirnet.com is the work of one Peter Barnes-Graham? <snip> I too find it very helpful, while recognizing the limitations of material drawn from Burke's, etc."

I agree that Stirnet is useful in conjunction with Leo's site. They complement each other on a some lines. However the advantage of Leo's site is the occasional biography and the source citation on EACH family group. Stirnet gives lengthy lines with no per-person or per-family-unit citations. In general it's a good tool to point the way to where the answers *might* lie just as secondary sources do.
Is there a thing as a "tertiary" source ? I.E. a source that is completely dependent itself on seconday sources?
Thanks
Will

D. Spencer Hines

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 25 feb 2005 23:11:03

Yes, of course.

DSH

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| Is there a thing as a "tertiary" source ? I.E. a source that is
completely dependent itself on seconday sources?
| Thanks
| Will

Renia

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Renia » 26 feb 2005 00:34:23

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:

Mathaniel wrote: "Might one add that stirnet.com is the work of one Peter Barnes-Graham? <snip> I too find it very helpful, while recognizing the limitations of material drawn from Burke's, etc."

I agree that Stirnet is useful in conjunction with Leo's site. They complement each other on a some lines. However the advantage of Leo's site is the occasional biography and the source citation on EACH family group. Stirnet gives lengthy lines with no per-person or per-family-unit citations. In general it's a good tool to point the way to where the answers *might* lie just as secondary sources do.
Is there a thing as a "tertiary" source ? I.E. a source that is completely dependent itself on seconday sources?
Thanks
Will

That's about it.

Renia

Stewart Baldwin

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Stewart Baldwin » 27 feb 2005 20:51:31

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:01:01 +0000 (UTC), bales14@tpg.com.au ("Peter
Bales") wrote:

Does anybody know anything about this site http://www.stirnet.com
which I only recently stumbled across

[snip]

I would give this site low grades. In a website such as this which
compiles its data from secondary sources, one key indicator of the
potential reliability is the judgement (or lack thereof) shown by the
compiler with regard to the sources used. The fact that the compiler
refers to the Hull database (one of the sources used) as
"well-respected among among genealogists" is one clear indication that
the compiler does not know how to spot a bad source. Another is the
use of Anderson's Royal Genealogies as a source, which is used even
though the compiler is evidently aware that it is unreliable. One
obvious red flag is the presence of various pseudohistorical
genealogies. The compiler's qualification on one page that these are
"for fun" is hardly reassuring, since there is no evidence that the
compiler has any idea where the phony genealogy ends and the genuine
begins. In all, I would recommend avoiding this source.

Stewart Baldwin

Chris Phillips

Re: "STIRNET Information"

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 27 feb 2005 21:09:44

Peter Bales wrote:
Does anybody know anything about this site http://www.stirnet.com
which I only recently stumbled across

Stewart Baldwin wrote:
I would give this site low grades. In a website such as this which
compiles its data from secondary sources, one key indicator of the
potential reliability is the judgement (or lack thereof) shown by the
compiler with regard to the sources used.

It may be worth mentioning that I had a little correspondence a while ago
with Peter Barns-Graham, the owner of stirnet.com, and at that time he was
in the process of using the Complete Peerage to try to correct the pages he
had written earlier, based on Burke's Extinct Peerage. So I think he does
realise the limitations of some of the sources that he has used in the past.
(I suspect that most of us have had the same experience with medieval
genealogy, to a greater or a lesser extent!)

Chris Phillips

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