Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?

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John Brandon

Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 22 feb 2005 22:46:00

Discussing Colyton in Devon, Polwhele's _History of Devonshire_,
2:310, says the following:

Whitford was in like sort the land of Thomas Basset, and the husband
of Alis, daughter of Thomas before mentioned: from the said Alis
issued Laurence Sanford, lord of this manor. He had issue Thomas
Sanford, who died without issue, and Alda married unto Sir Walter
Folliot, and after unto Sir Peter Brewes. After this, it became the
Earls of Devon, and descended as in that line aforesaid: ... [Richard
Polwhele, _The History of Devonshire_, 3 vols. (London, 1793-1806;
reprint, Dorking: Kohler and Coombes, 1977)].

Or is this just a confusion with her granddaughter Joan Percy, who did
marry a Peter Brewes or Braose?

Gordon Kirkemo

RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Bre

Legg inn av Gordon Kirkemo » 23 feb 2005 03:01:18

John,

Sorry, I cannot speak to your question concerning Ada, but your posting
raises another question for me. I have Alan Basset and Aline de Gay as the
parents of Alice identified below as the wife of Sir John Sanford. My
source is an article ("Maternal Ancestry of Governor Thomas Dudley: Purefoy,
Ayot, and Denton lines") published by F.N. Craig in the NEHGS Register (Vol.
142,p. 239). Mr. Craig seems to be citing VHC Bucks 3:123 as his source.
Mr. Craig mentions that Alan Basset has a brother named Thomas, and that
both appear as "counsellors" to King John. Mr. Craig does show Joan Percy
as the wife of Peter Braose and the granddaughter of Ada (pages 240-242).

Does Polwhele say anything further regarding Thomas? Was Thomas or Alan the
father of Alice?

Sincerely,
Gordon Kirkemo

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 1:46 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?

Discussing Colyton in Devon, Polwhele's _History of Devonshire_,
2:310, says the following:

Whitford was in like sort the land of Thomas Basset, and the husband
of Alis, daughter of Thomas before mentioned: from the said Alis
issued Laurence Sanford, lord of this manor. He had issue Thomas
Sanford, who died without issue, and Alda married unto Sir Walter
Folliot, and after unto Sir Peter Brewes. After this, it became the
Earls of Devon, and descended as in that line aforesaid: ... [Richard
Polwhele, _The History of Devonshire_, 3 vols. (London, 1793-1806;
reprint, Dorking: Kohler and Coombes, 1977)].

Or is this just a confusion with her granddaughter Joan Percy, who did
marry a Peter Brewes or Braose?

Richard C. Browning, Jr.

RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Bre

Legg inn av Richard C. Browning, Jr. » 23 feb 2005 03:01:18

John

Can you provide any further information on Laurence Sanford and Alda? I ask because a
Laurence Sandford had a daughter, Joan that married John Maltravers and among other issue
they had Alice. Alice married John Browning who inherited/took the arms of Laurence
Sandford. I would like to verify these Laurences are the same person and would Alda be
the mother of Joan.

Thank you for your help.

Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 15:46
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?


Discussing Colyton in Devon, Polwhele's _History of Devonshire_,
2:310, says the following:

Whitford was in like sort the land of Thomas Basset, and the husband
of Alis, daughter of Thomas before mentioned: from the said Alis
issued Laurence Sanford, lord of this manor. He had issue Thomas
Sanford, who died without issue, and Alda married unto Sir Walter
Folliot, and after unto Sir Peter Brewes. After this, it became the
Earls of Devon, and descended as in that line aforesaid: ... [Richard
Polwhele, _The History of Devonshire_, 3 vols. (London, 1793-1806;
reprint, Dorking: Kohler and Coombes, 1977)].

Or is this just a confusion with her granddaughter Joan Percy, who did
marry a Peter Brewes or Braose?


Gordon Kirkemo

RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Bre

Legg inn av Gordon Kirkemo » 23 feb 2005 03:41:02

Richard,

In my response to John I referenced the article by F.N. Craig that is found
in the NEHGS Register (Vol. 142). Mr. Craig mentions Joan, wife first of
Nicholas de Percy and then of John Mautravers. I cite the following from
page 241:

"Alda de Saundorde died in 1331 holding 'A twelfth part of the town and 5s.
rent' at Haslintoun, and other lands in Chester, leaving her heir, Joan, the
wife of John Mautravers, aged 26 years (Cal.IPM, 7:200, no. 268). This Joan
is identified as the widow of Nicholas de Percy and granddaughter of
Laurence de Sanford of Melbury; she was then the wife of John Mautravers the
elder who died in 1341; she was heiress (inter alia) of a sixth part of the
barony of Nantwich in Cheshire; she married, thirdly, Sir Alexander Venables
(Complete peerage, 8[1932]:580)."

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely,
Gordon Kirkemo

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard C. Browning, Jr. [mailto:brownrc@anet-dfw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:00 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?

John

Can you provide any further information on Laurence Sanford and Alda? I ask
because a
Laurence Sandford had a daughter, Joan that married John Maltravers and
among other issue
they had Alice. Alice married John Browning who inherited/took the arms of
Laurence
Sandford. I would like to verify these Laurences are the same person and
would Alda be
the mother of Joan.

Thank you for your help.

Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon [mailto:starbuck95@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 15:46
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Brewes?


Discussing Colyton in Devon, Polwhele's _History of Devonshire_,
2:310, says the following:

Whitford was in like sort the land of Thomas Basset, and the husband
of Alis, daughter of Thomas before mentioned: from the said Alis
issued Laurence Sanford, lord of this manor. He had issue Thomas
Sanford, who died without issue, and Alda married unto Sir Walter
Folliot, and after unto Sir Peter Brewes. After this, it became the
Earls of Devon, and descended as in that line aforesaid: ... [Richard
Polwhele, _The History of Devonshire_, 3 vols. (London, 1793-1806;
reprint, Dorking: Kohler and Coombes, 1977)].

Or is this just a confusion with her granddaughter Joan Percy, who did
marry a Peter Brewes or Braose?


Richard C. Browning, Jr.

RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Bre

Legg inn av Richard C. Browning, Jr. » 23 feb 2005 05:16:01

Gordon,

Thank you for the information. This differs slightly from my information in that the
Visitation to Cheshire of 1650 indicates that Joan was the daughter of Laurence not
granddaughter, and does not show the marriage to Percy. But then again it is a visitation
and taken long after their time.

Thanks again.

Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Kirkemo [mailto:kirkemo@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 20:35
To: Richard C. Browning, Jr.; GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir
Peter Brewes?


Richard,

In my response to John I referenced the article by F.N. Craig
that is found in the NEHGS Register (Vol. 142). Mr. Craig
mentions Joan, wife first of Nicholas de Percy and then of
John Mautravers. I cite the following from page 241:

"Alda de Saundorde died in 1331 holding 'A twelfth part of
the town and 5s. rent' at Haslintoun, and other lands in
Chester, leaving her heir, Joan, the wife of John Mautravers,
aged 26 years (Cal.IPM, 7:200, no. 268). This Joan is
identified as the widow of Nicholas de Percy and
granddaughter of Laurence de Sanford of Melbury; she was then
the wife of John Mautravers the elder who died in 1341; she
was heiress (inter alia) of a sixth part of the barony of
Nantwich in Cheshire; she married, thirdly, Sir Alexander
Venables (Complete peerage, 8[1932]:580)."

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely,
Gordon Kirkemo


starbuck95

Re: Did Ada (Sanford) Foliot really remarry to Sir Peter Bre

Legg inn av starbuck95 » 23 feb 2005 17:37:36

Gordon and Richard,

Unfortunately, I did not reshelve the book myself, so now have to wait
till it makes its way back to the shelf. I'll try to get back with
answers within a couple days.

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