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Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 feb 2005 09:17:24

Having exhausted my search engine and all of the usual legitimate
websites, I am pulling my hair out looking for something on Sambor III
other than that he was the father of Margaret who married King
Christopher I of Denmark. Does anyone have ANYthing on him? Thanks,
Bronwen

Renia

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Renia » 21 feb 2005 11:20:13

lostcooper@yahoo.com wrote:

Having exhausted my search engine and all of the usual legitimate
websites, I am pulling my hair out looking for something on Sambor III
other than that he was the father of Margaret who married King
Christopher I of Denmark. Does anyone have ANYthing on him? Thanks,
Bronwen

I know nothing about this, but according to this site, he was Sambor II:

http://www.flemingmultimedia.com/Geneal ... rania.html
http://www.flemingmultimedia.com/Geneal ... borII.html

Renia

Leo van de Pas

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 21 feb 2005 11:31:02

Dear Bronwen.

You are looking for Sambor II, not III, at least that is according to ES Vol
III tafel 6.
Go to my website http://www.genealogics.org go to name search and by first
name enter Sambar. The reply will give two. Sambor II of the House of
Pomerellen was himself Duke of Dirschau. Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia


Having exhausted my search engine and all of the usual legitimate
websites, I am pulling my hair out looking for something on Sambor III
other than that he was the father of Margaret who married King
Christopher I of Denmark. Does anyone have ANYthing on him? Thanks,
Bronwen


Arkadiusz Bugaj

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Arkadiusz Bugaj » 21 feb 2005 12:58:55

Uzytkownik ""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> napisal w
wiadomosci news:001701c51800$aa8a8ac0$c3b4fea9@email...
Dear Bronwen.

You are looking for Sambor II, not III, at least that is according to ES
Vol
III tafel 6.
Go to my website http://www.genealogics.org go to name search and by first
name enter Sambar. The reply will give two. Sambor II of the House of
Pomerellen was himself Duke of Dirschau. Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Hope it is worth adding that, however useful and informative, Schwennicke's
Stammtaffeln, which content you partly provide at your website, in case of
Slavic dynasties ruling in the areas once belonging to Germans state(s),
still use German or germanised proper names (geographic and persons). For
example: Swantopolk is Swietopelk, Mestwin- Msciwoj, Dirschau is Tczew.
Pomerellen is a German name of Pomorze Gdanskie. This is a part of territory
which borders are determined by rivers Wisla (Vistula) in the east and Leba
or Slupia (can be disputable) in the West. Territory, westwards Leba and
until Odra (ger. Oder) was called in German Pommern, territories beyond Odra
and until river Rzeknica (Reknica) are now called in German Vorpommern. In
Polish, whole territory from Wisla until Rzeknica has been called Pomorze
(Latin, Pomerania) and in the medieval ages, was divided into separate
duchies (their number was changeable over the period) ruled by Slavic
dynasties, which were semi-dependent from bordering powers Poland, German
Kaisers, then rulers of March Brandenburg and kings of Danemark. Rivalry of
these powers for Pomerania territory, and later complex history of XVIII-XX
century resulted in present terminology chaos, but it is more rightly to use
Slavic names of persons used in medieval documents instead of their
distorted German equivalents. The same can be said of geographical names,
maybe excpet Pomeranian territories beyond Odra, which now belong to
Germany, but also in this case I would use double German-Slavic names, one
of them putting in brackets.
Cheers
Arkadiusz

Cheers
Luckily Sambor couln't have been changed and stayed Sambor

----- Original Message -----
From: <lostcooper@yahoo.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia


Having exhausted my search engine and all of the usual legitimate
websites, I am pulling my hair out looking for something on Sambor III
other than that he was the father of Margaret who married King
Christopher I of Denmark. Does anyone have ANYthing on him? Thanks,
Bronwen



Renia

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Renia » 21 feb 2005 14:20:21

Arkadiusz Bugaj wrote:
Uzytkownik ""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> napisal w
wiadomosci news:001701c51800$aa8a8ac0$c3b4fea9@email...

Dear Bronwen.

You are looking for Sambor II, not III, at least that is according to ES
Vol
III tafel 6.
Go to my website http://www.genealogics.org go to name search and by first
name enter Sambar. The reply will give two. Sambor II of the House of
Pomerellen was himself Duke of Dirschau. Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


Hope it is worth adding that, however useful and informative, Schwennicke's
Stammtaffeln, which content you partly provide at your website, in case of
Slavic dynasties ruling in the areas once belonging to Germans state(s),
still use German or germanised proper names (geographic and persons). For
example: Swantopolk is Swietopelk, Mestwin- Msciwoj, Dirschau is Tczew.
Pomerellen is a German name of Pomorze Gdanskie. This is a part of territory
which borders are determined by rivers Wisla (Vistula) in the east and Leba
or Slupia (can be disputable) in the West. Territory, westwards Leba and
until Odra (ger. Oder) was called in German Pommern, territories beyond Odra
and until river Rzeknica (Reknica) are now called in German Vorpommern. In
Polish, whole territory from Wisla until Rzeknica has been called Pomorze
(Latin, Pomerania) and in the medieval ages, was divided into separate
duchies (their number was changeable over the period) ruled by Slavic
dynasties, which were semi-dependent from bordering powers Poland, German
Kaisers, then rulers of March Brandenburg and kings of Danemark. Rivalry of
these powers for Pomerania territory, and later complex history of XVIII-XX
century resulted in present terminology chaos, but it is more rightly to use
Slavic names of persons used in medieval documents instead of their
distorted German equivalents. The same can be said of geographical names,
maybe excpet Pomeranian territories beyond Odra, which now belong to
Germany, but also in this case I would use double German-Slavic names, one
of them putting in brackets.
Cheers
Arkadiusz

Cheers
Luckily Sambor couln't have been changed and stayed Sambor


There is a town in the Ukraine called Sambor (sometimes Sambir). Any
connection? Does Sambor or the suffix -bor translate as anything?

Renia

Arkadiusz Bugaj

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Arkadiusz Bugaj » 21 feb 2005 15:55:05

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Arkadiusz Bugaj wrote:
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Dear Bronwen.

You are looking for Sambor II, not III, at least that is according to ES
Vol
III tafel 6.
Go to my website http://www.genealogics.org go to name search and by
first
name enter Sambar. The reply will give two. Sambor II of the House of
Pomerellen was himself Duke of Dirschau. Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


Hope it is worth adding that, however useful and informative,
Schwennicke's Stammtaffeln, which content you partly provide at your
website, in case of Slavic dynasties ruling in the areas once belonging
to Germans state(s), still use German or germanised proper names
(geographic and persons). For example: Swantopolk is Swietopelk, Mestwin-
Msciwoj, Dirschau is Tczew. Pomerellen is a German name of Pomorze
Gdanskie. This is a part of territory which borders are determined by
rivers Wisla (Vistula) in the east and Leba or Slupia (can be disputable)
in the West. Territory, westwards Leba and until Odra (ger. Oder) was
called in German Pommern, territories beyond Odra and until river
Rzeknica (Reknica) are now called in German Vorpommern. In Polish, whole
territory from Wisla until Rzeknica has been called Pomorze (Latin,
Pomerania) and in the medieval ages, was divided into separate duchies
(their number was changeable over the period) ruled by Slavic dynasties,
which were semi-dependent from bordering powers Poland, German Kaisers,
then rulers of March Brandenburg and kings of Danemark. Rivalry of these
powers for Pomerania territory, and later complex history of XVIII-XX
century resulted in present terminology chaos, but it is more rightly to
use Slavic names of persons used in medieval documents instead of their
distorted German equivalents. The same can be said of geographical names,
maybe excpet Pomeranian territories beyond Odra, which now belong to
Germany, but also in this case I would use double German-Slavic names,
one of them putting in brackets.
Cheers
Arkadiusz

Cheers
Luckily Sambor couln't have been changed and stayed Sambor


There is a town in the Ukraine called Sambor (sometimes Sambir). Any
connection? Does Sambor or the suffix -bor translate as anything?

I don't know etymology of a proper name "Sambor". Sambors mother was

Swinislawa (Zwinislawa) of unknown origin, but her name suggests Rus's
connection, which actually was Ukraine then. The issue of origin of
Swinislawa (Zwnislawa) is being still disputable. I must confess that now I
don't even have information available to confirm whether Sambor as a
inhabited place (twon, castle) existed at the turn of XII century
As to te name of Ukrainian town, 'Sambor' is for sure Polish pronunciation,
as well as 'Sambir' is Ukrainian. Compare:Polish Lwow, and Ukrainan Lviv.
Note Polish consonant 'w is pronounced like English 'v'.
Arkadiusz

Renia

Re: Sambor III Duke of Pomerelia

Legg inn av Renia » 22 feb 2005 01:43:33

Arkadiusz Bugaj wrote:

Uzytkownik "Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> napisal w wiadomosci


There is a town in the Ukraine called Sambor (sometimes Sambir). Any
connection? Does Sambor or the suffix -bor translate as anything?


I don't know etymology of a proper name "Sambor". Sambors mother was
Swinislawa (Zwinislawa) of unknown origin, but her name suggests Rus's
connection, which actually was Ukraine then. The issue of origin of
Swinislawa (Zwnislawa) is being still disputable. I must confess that now I
don't even have information available to confirm whether Sambor as a
inhabited place (twon, castle) existed at the turn of XII century
As to te name of Ukrainian town, 'Sambor' is for sure Polish pronunciation,
as well as 'Sambir' is Ukrainian. Compare:Polish Lwow, and Ukrainan Lviv.
Note Polish consonant 'w is pronounced like English 'v'.
Arkadiusz

A history of Sambor/Sambir (the town) says it is one of the oldest towns
in the Carpathian Piedmont. Though the city is first mentioned in 1241,
it is known there were prehistoric settlers there.

http://www.bohdanyurkiv.cityslide.com/p ... 319055.htm

The same page names some of the rulers of the area, for anyone who is
interested.

Q
It is known from history, that during the period from the year 993, when
Kyivian Prince, Volodymyr the Great, won back the lands of the
Carpathian piedmont and united them with Kyivian Rus, and until the year
1349, when after poisoning the prince of Halych, George II, the
Carpathian piedmont was captured by Poland, the rulers of these lands
were the Ukrainian (Rus) princes, Volodymyr the Great (993-1015),
Volodar Izyaslavych (1095-1124), buried in the cathedral in Peremyshl,
which he built; Volodymyrko Volodarovych (1124-1153), who in the year
1141 moved his capital from Peremyshl to Halych; Yaroslav Osmomysl
(1153-1187); Roman Mstyslavych (1187-1205); Danylo Romanovych
(1224-1264), buried in the cathedral church in Holm; Lev I Danylovych
(1264-1301) who moved the capital to Lviv; Yuriy I Lvovych (1301-1308),
moved the capital from Lviv to Volodymyr Volynsky; Andriy and Lev II the
sons of king Yuriy I Lvovych (1308-1323); Yuriy II Troydenovych
(1323-1340); nobleman Dmytro Detko (1340-1349).The dynasties of Polish
kings and magnates ruled the Sambir Region from 349 until 1772, when the
Polish kingdom disintegrated.
In 1390 the Polish king, Vladyslav Jagello, gave the Sambir Region as a
gift to his friend, Spytko from Melshtyn, the head of the Krakow county.
Spytko bestowed onto the Sambir city the Magdeburg law (13 December
1390). After Spytkos death, in the battle with Tatars under Vorskla on
September 12, 1399, the Sambir Region was ruled by Spytkos widow
Elzhbieta. In 1415, the Sambir Region came back into the domain of
Polish kings, who frequently gave the city and the surrounding villages
as a collateral to different magnates for loans of monies. So, in 1419
it was given as a collateral to the country squire, Henryk Hinch, from
Rohiv, and in 1431 to the magnate, Petro Odrovonzh. The Odrovonzh
dynasty ruled the Sambir Region until 1545, when Queen Bona (the second
wife of king Zygmund I, the Old, the mother of Zygmund II August bought
out all estates from Stanislav Odrovonzh, but the practice of giving the
city and the surrounding villages as a collateral continued. So, in
1676, King Jan III gave the city as a collateral to Stanislav Skarchevski.
At the end XVI and the beginning of XVII, the great Polish magnate,
Jerzy Mniszek, was the royal head of the Sambir. In the Sambir royal
castle Mniszek hosted Gryhorij Otrjepjev, who presented himself as a son
of Moscows Tsar, Ivan Groznyj Dmitrij, and on June 21, 1605, helped
Falst Dmitrij to occupy Moscows throne (until 17 May, 1606).
UNQ

Renia

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