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Brus Book

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 feb 2005 04:11:02

Thanks for the information on the Brus book, Ruth. The medieval Scottish romance I'm writing now incorporates Robert Bruce. I've been doing a lot of research on the Brus'. It sounds great.

~ Leanne :-)

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Peter A. Kincaid

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Peter A. Kincaid » 21 feb 2005 05:15:02

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Peter

At 11:00 PM 20/02/2005, you wrote:
Thanks for the information on the Brus book, Ruth. The medieval Scottish
romance I'm writing now incorporates Robert Bruce. I've been doing a lot
of research on the Brus'. It sounds great.

~ Leanne :-)

--
http://www.leanneburroughs.com
President Elect Outreach International
Now Available on Amazon.com - HIGHLAND WISHES
A Scottish Historical Romance - A Winner in the 2004 Published Laurie's

A friend is a person who reaches out to touch your hand, and touches your
heart.

Denis Beauregard

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Denis Beauregard » 21 feb 2005 05:17:03

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Rootsweb has no such policy.


Denis

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Leo van de Pas

Commercialism was Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 21 feb 2005 05:31:02

Are you talking about Douglas Richardson and his now two books?
I am glad you remind us of this policy. Still, I see it as a service if just
once it is mentioned that a book is in existence. Lots of people otherwise
would not have known a book exists and is available. I agree, the remarks
"buy before publishing and you get it cheaper and my address is"---is
clearly in contradiction of this policy.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Brus Book


Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Peter

At 11:00 PM 20/02/2005, you wrote:
Thanks for the information on the Brus book, Ruth. The medieval Scottish
romance I'm writing now incorporates Robert Bruce. I've been doing a lot
of research on the Brus'. It sounds great.

~ Leanne :-)

--
http://www.leanneburroughs.com
President Elect Outreach International
Now Available on Amazon.com - HIGHLAND WISHES
A Scottish Historical Romance - A Winner in the 2004 Published Laurie's

A friend is a person who reaches out to touch your hand, and touches your
heart.


Peter A. Kincaid

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Peter A. Kincaid » 21 feb 2005 06:20:02

At 12:17 AM 21/02/2005, you wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Rootsweb has no such policy.


See http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html

I quote: "Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use,
advertising or fee for service is prohibited."

Best wishes!

Peter

Denis Beauregard

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Denis Beauregard » 21 feb 2005 06:37:05

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:15:27 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

At 12:17 AM 21/02/2005, you wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Rootsweb has no such policy.


See http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html

I quote: "Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use,
advertising or fee for service is prohibited."

I complained about one list owner using his mailing list to
promote his business (illegal cd-rom) and they replied there
was no such policy and the list owner could do what he wants
on his list. So, the AUP can be about the personal pages,
but not the mailing lists, which is not the same thing.

The title of the phrase you are quoting is:
"User-Provided Content"


Denis

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Gjest

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 feb 2005 07:51:02

In a message dated 2/20/2005 9:15:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca writes:

I quote: "Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use,
advertising or fee for service is prohibited."

I agree with Denis that this policy does not extend to the lists especially
not the ones which are echoing newsgroups that aren't even under rootsweb in
the first place.
Will

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 21 feb 2005 08:43:53

In message of 21 Feb, 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca ("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote:

At 12:17 AM 21/02/2005, you wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Rootsweb has no such policy.


See http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html

I quote: "Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use,
advertising or fee for service is prohibited."

But this does not apply to the newsgroup half of this list which is not
regulated at all by Rootsweb. The newsgroup FAQ includes:

"Advertising or selling of a product or service is not in general
regarded as acceptable. The announcement of a product or service and
its cost is acceptable."

(I thought advertisements were announcements, though, as well as
occasional inducements.)

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Chris Phillips

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 21 feb 2005 10:22:25

Peter A. Kincaid wrote:
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

I think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I came across the details of Ruth Blakely's book on the website of her
publishers, thought it might be of interest to people, and posted the
details.

I think Leanne Burroughs was responding to my message, but because of the
way it was laid out misread it as an announcement from the author.

Not that I think there would have been anything wrong with that. Of course,
no one wants to see the newsgroup filled with gratuitous advertising, but as
far as I'm concerned, discreet announcements of relevant new scholarly works
are welcome.

Chris Phillips

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Commercialism was Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 21 feb 2005 10:33:54

When the soc.genealogy.* newsgroups were formed,
soc.genealogy.marketplace was specifically created for such
commercial posts, and they were thus rendered off-topic in all
other soc.genealogy.* groups, usually through explicit language
in the charters. While generically, it has been RootsWeb policy
that Listowners determine what is on topic for their mailing
lists, in the case of lists gated to these soc.gen.* groups it
was understood that they were simply a mirror of the USENET group
and that the charter of the newsgroups applies to the mailing
list as well.

IIRC, an earlier draft of the soc.gen.med charter explicitly
prohibited all 'commercial' posts, but it was thought desirable
to allow helpful posters to make other participants aware of new
resources [for example, a year ago, someone might have posted
"Christian Settipani's book, _La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien_
has finally been published by the Linacre Prosopography group -
see the Linacre web site [URL] for details", or the recent posts
indicating that new books on Hereward and the Brus families have
been published that may be of interest] - not for the author of a
work to conduct a full marketing campaign in the group.

If an author wishes to make the group aware of their work, the
most appropriate approach would be to post a full sales
pitch/advertisement/special offer/"but wait, you also get this
Ginsu knife" to soc.genealogy.marketplace or a personal web site,
and post just a pointer in soc.gen.med/GEN-MED indicating the
bare minimum of details (author, title, a _very_ brief
description of it is about), directing people to the full
description at the other group or web site. Discussion regarding
the sale of the book (precisely what will be in it, when exactly
can we expect it, I don't have mine yet) should take place in
soc.gen.marketplace.

taf

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 21 feb 2005 11:37:20

In message of 21 Feb, "Chris Phillips" <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote:

Not that I think there would have been anything wrong with that. Of
course, no one wants to see the newsgroup filled with gratuitous
advertising, but as far as I'm concerned, discreet announcements of
relevant new scholarly works are welcome.

I was grateful for the information. What I am really looking out for
now is the scholarly review of the content. But first someone has to
purchase it (when published of course).

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Peter A. Kincaid

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av Peter A. Kincaid » 21 feb 2005 14:01:01

At 03:43 AM 21/02/2005, you wrote:
In message of 21 Feb, 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca ("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote:

At 12:17 AM 21/02/2005, you wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:03:25 +0000 (UTC), 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca
("Peter A. Kincaid") wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

Everyone knows that Rootsweb's policy is not to have
people use their lists to promote their books/products.
Will you guys (not just Leanne) at least stop being so
underhanded and devious in trying not to step on their
toes? If you want to promote your books/products just
fess up, have some spine and just do it the upfront way.

Rootsweb has no such policy.


See http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html

I quote: "Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use,
advertising or fee for service is prohibited."

But this does not apply to the newsgroup half of this list which is not
regulated at all by Rootsweb. The newsgroup FAQ includes:

"Advertising or selling of a product or service is not in general
regarded as acceptable. The announcement of a product or service and
its cost is acceptable."

(I thought advertisements were announcements, though, as well as
occasional inducements.)

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org


I don't care if anyone comes on the list and says that they
have a book (or other product) relating to medieval history
for sale. As I said in my original reply, I just wish people
would be upfront about it.

Best wishes!

Peter

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Brus Book

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 feb 2005 20:51:02

Recte:

Oh, Twaddle!

If she [?] wants to tell us about _HIGHLAND WISHES_ in her [?] sigblock,
more power to her [?].

Take two fingers of brandy in some hot milk and a long nap, Kinkaid.

You also need to get laid -- you're entirely too tense and wound up
tighter than a top.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

""Peter A. Kincaid"" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6.2.0.14.1.20050221150649.01d1d760@pop1.nb.sympatico.ca...
|
| >Peter - I'm glad you have so much FAITH in me! Considering I was
THANKING
| >Chris for posting about the Brus book, I can't for the life of me how
you
| >construed I was ADVERTISING a book I'm still in the PROCESS of
| >researching/writing. If you'll actually LOOK at my post, you'll see
I
| >said I couldn't wait to see the Brus book when it came out so I could
USE
| >it for research, since that's the stage of my book I'm in!!! Hardly a
| >promotion!!!
| >
| >Maybe your motives are sneaky and underhanded when you choose to
write a
| >post. I assure you MINE weren't. Be assured, I will NEVER bother to
thank
| >any of you for anything again. I actually made the mistake of
thinking you
| >were here to help people by sharing information. I'll not make the
mistake
| >of thinking anyone's motives are pure again.
| >
| >So, for the last time, please forgive me for thanking Chris for the
| >information (and, God forbid, explaining why it meant so much to
me!).
| >
| >~ Leanne
| >
| >--
| >www.leanneburroughs.com
| >President Elect Outreach International
| >Now Available on Amazon.com - HIGHLAND WISHES
| >A Scottish Historical Romance - A Winner in the 2004 Published
Laurie's
| >
| >A friend is a person who reaches out to touch your hand, and touches
your
| >heart.
|
|
| What exactly is your reasoning for adding the above "Now Available on
| Amazon.com - HIGHLAND WISHES"? Who wrote Highland Wishes? If
| you wanted to thank Chris you could have sent him a private email.
Otherwise
| you will have to accept the reactions to your signature block that
myself
| or anyone else might have. If you look at my original message you
will
| note that I was addressing this to not just you but also others who
have the
| same approach. I have absolutely no motives for my message other
| than being an opinionated person. I am not fond of indirect
advertising. Nor
| am I fond of sappy pity me messages like the one you just gave. I'm
not
| out to offend you and wish you the best with your projects. However,
if
| you take offense with my right to express my discontent with
something,
| then so be it.
|
| Peter
|
| P.S. Your reply inclined me to respond publicly. I have said me
piece
| on this and will not add any further fuel to this thread publicly.

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