Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

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Curt Nilsen

Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Curt Nilsen » 19 feb 2005 01:22:11

Greetings News Group,

I was wondering if any one would be able to provide insight into the
lineage of Jewish High Priests given below.

Specifically, I was wondering if the assertion that Mariamne (wife of
Herod the Great) and Simon Maccabees were descendents of Levi & Aaron
have any validity.

I've seen this lineage in numerous places, but the sources are usually
not mentioned.

Thanks!

******************

1) Jacob (Israel)

2) Levi

3) Kohath.

4) Amram

5) High Priest Aaron

6) High Priest Eleazar

7) High Priest Phineas

8) High Priest Abishua

9) High Priest Bukki

10) High Priest Uzzi

11) High Priest Zerahiah

12) High Priest Meraioth

13) High Priest Amariah

14) High Priest Ahitub

15) High Priest Zadok

16) High Priest Ahim-az

17) High Priest Azariah

18) High Priest Johanan

19) High Priest Azariah

20) High Priest Amariah

21) High Priest Ahitub

22) High Priest Zadok

23) High Priest Shallum

24) High Priest Azariah. (???)

25) High Priest Hilkiah the prophet. Children: Azariah and Jeremiah the
prophet.

26) High Priest Azariah.

27) High Priest Seraiah

28) High Priest Jerozadak

29) High Priest Jeshua

30) High Priest Joiakim

31) High Priest Eliashib

32) High Priest Joiada married Jehoshaba daughter of King Jehoram of
Judah. Children: Jehoadda (the wife of King Jehoash), Johanan.

33) High Priest Johanan (Jochanan, Jonathan)

34) High Priest Jaddua

35) High Priest Onias I

36) High Priest Simon The Just

37) High Priest Onias II

38) High Priest Jason

39) High Priest Asmonaeius (Hashmon)

40) High Priest Simon

41) High Priest Yochanan

42) High Priest Mattathias. He was the Priest in the Temple when it was
defiled by Antiochus. Sons: Simon (Mathes) Maccabees, Judah Maccabees,
Eleazar (Auran), Jonathan (Apphus).

43) High Priest Simon (Mathes) Maccabees, King of Judea

44) Johanan (John) Hyracanus

45) Alexander Janneus married Salome Alexandra

46) Aristobulus II "High Priest and King Of Judea" married Salome

47) Alexander "King Of Judea and High Priest" married Alexandra

48) Mariamne I Maccabaeus married Herod "The Great" King Of Judea a
descendant of Esau.

Paul K Davis

RE: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Paul K Davis » 19 feb 2005 02:51:01

I am travelling, and do not have my materials with me, so please check what
I have to say.

Generations 1 through 37 are from the Bible and/or Josephus. Your
information is presumably taken correctly from those sources, and any
debate about the validity of the early Biblical generations is beyond the
scope of this forum.

Generations 39 through 48 are from the apocryphal book of Maccabees and/or
Josephus. Your information is taken correctly from those sources except
that generations 39 through 42 are not specified to have been "high
priests". Generation 42 was certainly a priest of some rank. Generation
39 was considered to be a descendant of Levi and probably of Aaron.

I have in my database only a web site as a source for generation 38. This
is where some serious exploration of primary sources should occur. Not
having either Josephus or Maccabees in front of me, I'm unsure. Perhaps,
if you don't have copies, one might find those sources somewhere on the
internet.

I can't think of any other potential source for a Hasmonean to Aaronic
link, but I'm not expert here.

-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]


[Original Message]
From: Curt Nilsen <VIking-Roots@comcast.net
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Date: 2/18/2005 7:23:10 PM
Subject: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Greetings News Group,

I was wondering if any one would be able to provide insight into the
lineage of Jewish High Priests given below.

Specifically, I was wondering if the assertion that Mariamne (wife of
Herod the Great) and Simon Maccabees were descendents of Levi & Aaron
have any validity.

I've seen this lineage in numerous places, but the sources are usually
not mentioned.

Thanks!

******************

1) Jacob (Israel)

2) Levi

3) Kohath.

4) Amram

5) High Priest Aaron

6) High Priest Eleazar

7) High Priest Phineas

8) High Priest Abishua

9) High Priest Bukki

10) High Priest Uzzi

11) High Priest Zerahiah

12) High Priest Meraioth

13) High Priest Amariah

14) High Priest Ahitub

15) High Priest Zadok

16) High Priest Ahim-az

17) High Priest Azariah

18) High Priest Johanan

19) High Priest Azariah

20) High Priest Amariah

21) High Priest Ahitub

22) High Priest Zadok

23) High Priest Shallum

24) High Priest Azariah. (???)

25) High Priest Hilkiah the prophet. Children: Azariah and Jeremiah the
prophet.

26) High Priest Azariah.

27) High Priest Seraiah

28) High Priest Jerozadak

29) High Priest Jeshua

30) High Priest Joiakim

31) High Priest Eliashib

32) High Priest Joiada married Jehoshaba daughter of King Jehoram of
Judah. Children: Jehoadda (the wife of King Jehoash), Johanan.

33) High Priest Johanan (Jochanan, Jonathan)

34) High Priest Jaddua

35) High Priest Onias I

36) High Priest Simon The Just

37) High Priest Onias II

38) High Priest Jason

39) High Priest Asmonaeius (Hashmon)

40) High Priest Simon

41) High Priest Yochanan

42) High Priest Mattathias. He was the Priest in the Temple when it was
defiled by Antiochus. Sons: Simon (Mathes) Maccabees, Judah Maccabees,
Eleazar (Auran), Jonathan (Apphus).

43) High Priest Simon (Mathes) Maccabees, King of Judea

44) Johanan (John) Hyracanus

45) Alexander Janneus married Salome Alexandra

46) Aristobulus II "High Priest and King Of Judea" married Salome

47) Alexander "King Of Judea and High Priest" married Alexandra

48) Mariamne I Maccabaeus married Herod "The Great" King Of Judea a
descendant of Esau.

Gjest

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 feb 2005 06:10:02

In a message dated 2/19/05 12:23:54 AM GMT Standard Time,
VIking-Roots@comcast.net writes:

<< 48) Mariamne I Maccabaeus married Herod "The Great" King Of Judea a
descendant of Esau. >>

Herod was not a descendant of Esau. This is merely an attempt to push his
ancestry back beyond anything that could remotely be given any chance at
verification.
Will

Gjest

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 feb 2005 06:21:02

In a message dated 2/19/05 12:23:54 AM GMT Standard Time,
VIking-Roots@comcast.net writes:

<<
12) High Priest Meraioth
13) High Priest Amariah
14) High Priest Ahitub
15) High Priest Zadok
16) High Priest Ahim-az
17) High Priest Azariah
18) High Priest Johanan
19) High Priest Azariah
20) High Priest Amariah
21) High Priest Ahitub
22) High Priest Zadok
23) High Priest Shallum

You've got a big problem right here. I suggest you check the Bible for
mention of these above alledged persons and get back to us.
Will Johnson

Leo van de Pas

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 19 feb 2005 06:30:07

Wil,

This is not my subject, but, just because we have a list of these High
Priests, does this imply each is the father of the next? Could it be an
uncle or grandfather instead, in which case the genealogical value is
useless, as is a list of popes which has no genealogically value at all.
Leo

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Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?


In a message dated 2/19/05 12:23:54 AM GMT Standard Time,
VIking-Roots@comcast.net writes:


12) High Priest Meraioth
13) High Priest Amariah
14) High Priest Ahitub
15) High Priest Zadok
16) High Priest Ahim-az
17) High Priest Azariah
18) High Priest Johanan
19) High Priest Azariah
20) High Priest Amariah
21) High Priest Ahitub
22) High Priest Zadok
23) High Priest Shallum


You've got a big problem right here. I suggest you check the Bible for
mention of these above alledged persons and get back to us.
Will Johnson



Gjest

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 feb 2005 06:30:11

In a message dated 2/19/05 5:24:52 AM GMT Standard Time,
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au writes:

13) High Priest Amariah
14) High Priest Ahitub
15) High Priest Zadok
16) High Priest Ahim-az
17) High Priest Azariah
18) High Priest Johanan
19) High Priest Azariah
20) High Priest Amariah
21) High Priest Ahitub
22) High Priest Zadok
23) High Priest Shallum

Let's examine these. We have here Amariah, followed by Ahitub then Zadok in
positions 13-15 and AGAIN in positions 20-22. That is a big fat giant red
flag. The likelihood is nil that such a thing occurred. And then on either side
of 18 Johanan with have two Azariah's. In all probability this is a David
Hughsian attempt to bridge the gap in the actual records.
Will

norenxaq

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av norenxaq » 19 feb 2005 07:51:01

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/19/05 12:23:54 AM GMT Standard Time,
VIking-Roots@comcast.net writes:

48) Mariamne I Maccabaeus married Herod "The Great" King Of Judea a
descendant of Esau.

Herod was not a descendant of Esau. This is merely an attempt to push his
ancestry back beyond anything that could remotely be given any chance at
verification.
Will

perhaps not lineally. however, the idumeneans, of whom Herod was one, I
believe, were traditionally considered Edomites and thus Esau's descendants

jonmeltzer@mindspring.com

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av jonmeltzer@mindspring.com » 19 feb 2005 15:20:14

38) High Priest Jason

39) High Priest Asmonaeius (Hashmon)

40) High Priest Simon

41) High Priest Yochanan

42) High Priest Mattathias. He was the Priest in the Temple when it
was
defiled by Antiochus. Sons: Simon (Mathes) Maccabees, Judah
Maccabees,
Eleazar (Auran), Jonathan (Apphus).

Looks to me like some Hasmonean genealogist tried to claim legitimacy
for the new line of high priests by patching it onto the old line.

Gjest

Re: Lineage of Jewish High Priests ?

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 feb 2005 18:11:01

In a message dated 2/18/2005 10:47:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
norenxaq@san.rr.com writes:

perhaps not lineally. however, the idumeneans, of whom Herod was one, I
believe, were traditionally considered Edomites and thus Esau's descendants

The problem with these types of descent is that they ignore a thousand years
of individual names. It's sort of like saying Queen Elizabeth is of Hungarian
ancestry.
Will

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