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Echyngham Family

Legg inn av charlotte Smith » 18 feb 2005 00:21:02

I am so tired of Charles and Camilla so lets get some
good talk going about the ever mixed up Thomas
Echyngham. Lets take apart the will of Thomas
Echyngham b 1401-1444 who married Margaret Knyvett.
I feel there is another Thomas lurking around..so--

Early Chancery proceedings bundle 29 No 41 as found in
Genealogist xxi p 136. Thomas Echyngham leaves his
estate to wife Margaret, widow of Robert de Tye and
the remainder to his son "Richard" and his male heirs.
Thomas also gave Richard land in Kent that had
belonged to THOMAS ECHYNGHAM(Who is this Thomas)
Richard was asked to give the land in Kent to his
BROTHER Thomas Echyngham, esquire, squire. (who is
this) Can someone identify all the Thomas Echygham's
here. Charlotte Smith

Patricia Junkin

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 10 mai 2005 00:31:02

Charlotte,
Found this that may be of interest.
1395 January 12
Acknowledgement
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Nos. 51 and 52 are two charters relating to the holdings of a large manor in
Sussex and examples of the business transacted in a manor court. The first
is a "grant" by Robert Erchynghame, Thomas Grene, chaplain, and John
Chesham, feoVees (to uses) of Robert de Passele, knight, to Anne, widow of
the said Robert, of all her late husband's lands in Idenn, Playdenn,
Pesemerche, Bekkele, Northihame, and Ywhurste, together with the advowson of
the free chapel of Legh, for the term of her life; with remainder to the
right heirs of Robert. It is really an acknowledgement by the feoffees that
Ann is the true landholder and lord of the manor.
1399 October 26
Deed poll
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Acknowledgement by John Sergeaux, clerk, reciting that, whereas Ann, late
the wife of Robert Passele, knight, holds the manor of Mote with its
appurtenances in the parishes of Iden, Playden, Pessemersh, Bekle,
Northyham, and Ywehurst in the county of Sussex for her life, and also
certain lands in Rigge and Frenshcourt for her life, in dower, which
premises, on the death of Ann, ought to revert to the said John as appears
by a grant made to him by Robert son of Robert Passele, knight, the said
John grants that the premises, on the death of Ann, shall remain to the said
Robert son of Robert and Philippa his wife and their heirs forever. Given at
the manor of Mote on 26 October, 1 Henry IV. See the seal of John de Passele
in the display of Commoners' Seals:Mottoes

A. 1337
Armorial seal of John de Passele of Rye bearing the legend:
PASSET.LE.PAR.PASSELE ["He will surpass it by Passele"]


http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... /history_i
n_deed/deed4.php#n51

Pat

Gjest

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 mai 2005 01:31:02

Pat,

I'm not sure exeactly where The Mote was located, but I can identify the
lands mentioned as a few miles North East of Hastings

Idenn = Iden
Playdenn = Playden
Pesemerche = Peasmarsh
Bekkele = Beckley
Northihame = Northiam
Ywhurste = Ewhurst (Green) - adjoins Bodiam Castle

Adrian

Charlotte,
Found this that may be of interest.
1395 January 12
Acknowledgement
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Nos. 51 and 52 are two charters relating to the holdings of a large manor in
Sussex and examples of the business transacted in a manor court. The first
is a "grant" by Robert Erchynghame, Thomas Grene, chaplain, and John
Chesham, feoVees (to uses) of Robert de Passele, knight, to Anne, widow of
the said Robert, of all her late husband's lands in Idenn, Playdenn,
Pesemerche, Bekkele, Northihame, and Ywhurste, together with the advowson of
the free chapel of Legh, for the term of her life; with remainder to the
right heirs of Robert. It is really an acknowledgement by the feoffees that
Ann is the true landholder and lord of the manor.
1399 October 26
Deed poll
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Acknowledgement by John Sergeaux, clerk, reciting that, whereas Ann, late
the wife of Robert Passele, knight, holds the manor of Mote with its
appurtenances in the parishes of Iden, Playden, Pessemersh, Bekle,
Northyham, and Ywehurst in the county of Sussex for her life, and also
certain lands in Rigge and Frenshcourt for her life, in dower, which
premises, on the death of Ann, ought to revert to the said John as appears
by a grant made to him by Robert son of Robert Passele, knight, the said
John grants that the premises, on the death of Ann, shall remain to the said
Robert son of Robert and Philippa his wife and their heirs forever. Given at
the manor of Mote on 26 October, 1 Henry IV. See the seal of John de Passele
in the display of Commoners' Seals:Mottoes

A. 1337
Armorial seal of John de Passele of Rye bearing the legend:
PASSET.LE.PAR.PASSELE ["He will surpass it by Passele"]


http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... /history_i
n_deed/deed4.php#n51

Pat

Paul Mackenzie

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Paul Mackenzie » 10 mai 2005 13:36:32

ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Pat,

I'm not sure exeactly where The Mote was located, but I can identify the
lands mentioned as a few miles North East of Hastings

Idenn = Iden
Playdenn = Playden
Pesemerche = Peasmarsh
Bekkele = Beckley
Northihame = Northiam
Ywhurste = Ewhurst (Green) - adjoins Bodiam Castle

Adrian

Charlotte,
Found this that may be of interest.
1395 January 12
Acknowledgement
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Nos. 51 and 52 are two charters relating to the holdings of a large manor in
Sussex and examples of the business transacted in a manor court. The first
is a "grant" by Robert Erchynghame, Thomas Grene, chaplain, and John
Chesham, feoVees (to uses) of Robert de Passele, knight, to Anne, widow of
the said Robert, of all her late husband's lands in Idenn, Playdenn,
Pesemerche, Bekkele, Northihame, and Ywhurste, together with the advowson of
the free chapel of Legh, for the term of her life; with remainder to the
right heirs of Robert. It is really an acknowledgement by the feoffees that
Ann is the true landholder and lord of the manor.
1399 October 26
Deed poll
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Acknowledgement by John Sergeaux, clerk, reciting that, whereas Ann, late
the wife of Robert Passele, knight, holds the manor of Mote with its
appurtenances in the parishes of Iden, Playden, Pessemersh, Bekle,
Northyham, and Ywehurst in the county of Sussex for her life, and also
certain lands in Rigge and Frenshcourt for her life, in dower, which
premises, on the death of Ann, ought to revert to the said John as appears
by a grant made to him by Robert son of Robert Passele, knight, the said
John grants that the premises, on the death of Ann, shall remain to the said
Robert son of Robert and Philippa his wife and their heirs forever. Given at
the manor of Mote on 26 October, 1 Henry IV. See the seal of John de Passele
in the display of Commoners' Seals:Mottoes

A. 1337
Armorial seal of John de Passele of Rye bearing the legend:
PASSET.LE.PAR.PASSELE ["He will surpass it by Passele"]


http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... /history_i
n_deed/deed4.php#n51

Pat


Hi Everyone

Here are some references dealing with this matter:

1366
25th October 1366
Settlement by declaration of trusts. Between (a) Robert Passelee of the
county of Sussex and (b) Sir Piers Breous, kt, Henry Ang', William
Staunton, parson of Iden, Robert Covert, chaplain and William Holmstede
Reciting that (a) had enfeoffed (b) with the following properties The
manors of Passelee [Pashley in Ticehurst], Willegh' [Whiligh in
Ticehurst] and Bourne, the manor of La Mote [in Iden] with the advowson
of the Free Chapel there; the manor of Alstede in Surrey and the
reversion of the manor of Thevegate, Kent which Dame Joan, widow of Sir
Edmund Passelee, holds for the term of her life Now (b) grant and agree
to deliver seisin of these properties to (a), his attorney or his heirs
at any time they are asked to do so. Covenant that if (b) shall withold
any part of these manors (a) and his heirs shall re-enter and all the
charters and deeds to (b) shall be void If (a) die without issue, then
the property shall pass to Anne his wife, with remainder to the right
heirs of (a) except that the reversion of the manor of La Mote on the
death of the said Anne shall be to Sir Piers Breous and his heirs to
hold of the chief lord of the fee, who shall provide certain suitable
chaplains to sing masses in the Free Chapel of La Mote for the soul of
(a) and his ancestors Given at La Mote French
Reference: AMS4872/1, East Sussex Record Office: Additional
Manuscripts, Catalogue D (http://www.a2a.org.uk)


1367
14 October 1367
Acquittance from (a) Sir Piers de Brewes, kt., Henry Auger, William
Stantton' clerk, William Olmestede and Robert Covert, chaplain, to (b)
William Taillour of Rye (French) (Transcribed in full in 5 HMC, p. 498,
being an exception to the general grouping of this class.). Whereas (a)
sold to (b) a certain wood in the manor of La Mote, they have received
of (b) and his son Thomas 40 marks sterling in part payment of a sum in
which William and Thomas are bound by this sale. 3 seals, on tongues:
(i) armorial, on a field of crosses pommés a lion rampant; (ii) defaced;
(iii) armorial, a chief and between 2 roundels a cross pommé fitchy.
Reference: RYE/137/5. East Sussex Record Office: Archive of Rye
Corporation [RYE/133 - RYE/157]. (http://www.a2a.org.uk)

Gjest

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 mai 2005 15:41:02

Dear Pat and Paul

the manor of La Mote [in Iden]

May, I suggest this might be the manor of Mote in Ightham (pronounced "Item")
and is in Kent, not far from Sevenoaks. In the 1470's this was the home of
Sir Richard Haut.

Rose
Surrey

Gjest

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Gjest » 10 mai 2005 16:31:01

In a message dated 10/05/2005 14:35:20 GMT Standard Time, Maytree4@aol.com
writes:

Dear Pat and Paul

the manor of La Mote [in Iden]

May, I suggest this might be the manor of Mote in Ightham (pronounced
"Item")
and is in Kent, not far from Sevenoaks. In the 1470's this was the home of
Sir Richard Haut.

Rose
Surrey





Rose,

Although Igththam Mote was also known as The Mote, this is a different
house, and much further to the South. At this date Igththam Mote was held by the
Haut family.

Adrian
(Surrey, UK)

Patricia Junkin

Re: Echyngham Family

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 10 mai 2005 22:21:01

In the Courthope family of Whiligh, Ticehurst, East Sussex
MANOR OF WHILIGH in TICEHURST and WADHURST - ref. SAS-CO/1/1-39
Grant - ref. SAS-CO/1/3 - date: 1372 Sir Robert de Passele , Knt., to
William Warde & Agnes his wife of Ticehurst; Grant of 60 Acres of land "apud
Wyleigh" vsus occident adforestaltuducent de Wadehst apud maneriu de
Wyleigh, and also, a rent, out of the lands, called Burgesesland.
http://www.a2a.org.uk
John Courthope of Wadhurst and Hartfield who married Elizabeth daughter of
William Saunders of Whiligh held the manor on the death of his father-in-law
in 1513.
John Bysshe of Burstow had married Mary Courthope b. c. 1525, daughter of
John.
What connection was Passele, if any to, the Courthopes?
Thank you,
Pat

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From: Paul Mackenzie <paul.mackenzie@ozemail.com.au
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Echyngham Family
Date: Tue, May 10, 2005, 8:36 AM


ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com wrote:
Pat,

I'm not sure exeactly where The Mote was located, but I can identify the
lands mentioned as a few miles North East of Hastings

Idenn = Iden
Playdenn = Playden
Pesemerche = Peasmarsh
Bekkele = Beckley
Northihame = Northiam
Ywhurste = Ewhurst (Green) - adjoins Bodiam Castle

Adrian

Charlotte,
Found this that may be of interest.
1395 January 12
Acknowledgement
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Nos. 51 and 52 are two charters relating to the holdings of a large manor in
Sussex and examples of the business transacted in a manor court. The first
is a "grant" by Robert Erchynghame, Thomas Grene, chaplain, and John
Chesham, feoVees (to uses) of Robert de Passele, knight, to Anne, widow of
the said Robert, of all her late husband's lands in Idenn, Playdenn,
Pesemerche, Bekkele, Northihame, and Ywhurste, together with the advowson of
the free chapel of Legh, for the term of her life; with remainder to the
right heirs of Robert. It is really an acknowledgement by the feoffees that
Ann is the true landholder and lord of the manor.
1399 October 26
Deed poll
Manor of Mote, Sussex

Acknowledgement by John Sergeaux, clerk, reciting that, whereas Ann, late
the wife of Robert Passele, knight, holds the manor of Mote with its
appurtenances in the parishes of Iden, Playden, Pessemersh, Bekle,
Northyham, and Ywehurst in the county of Sussex for her life, and also
certain lands in Rigge and Frenshcourt for her life, in dower, which
premises, on the death of Ann, ought to revert to the said John as appears
by a grant made to him by Robert son of Robert Passele, knight, the said
John grants that the premises, on the death of Ann, shall remain to the said
Robert son of Robert and Philippa his wife and their heirs forever. Given at
the manor of Mote on 26 October, 1 Henry IV. See the seal of John de Passele
in the display of Commoners' Seals:Mottoes

A. 1337
Armorial seal of John de Passele of Rye bearing the legend:
PASSET.LE.PAR.PASSELE ["He will surpass it by Passele"]


http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/coll ... /history_i
n_deed/deed4.php#n51

Pat


Hi Everyone

Here are some references dealing with this matter:

1366
25th October 1366
Settlement by declaration of trusts. Between (a) Robert Passelee of the
county of Sussex and (b) Sir Piers Breous, kt, Henry Ang', William
Staunton, parson of Iden, Robert Covert, chaplain and William Holmstede
Reciting that (a) had enfeoffed (b) with the following properties The
manors of Passelee [Pashley in Ticehurst], Willegh' [Whiligh in
Ticehurst] and Bourne, the manor of La Mote [in Iden] with the advowson
of the Free Chapel there; the manor of Alstede in Surrey and the
reversion of the manor of Thevegate, Kent which Dame Joan, widow of Sir
Edmund Passelee, holds for the term of her life Now (b) grant and agree
to deliver seisin of these properties to (a), his attorney or his heirs
at any time they are asked to do so. Covenant that if (b) shall withold
any part of these manors (a) and his heirs shall re-enter and all the
charters and deeds to (b) shall be void If (a) die without issue, then
the property shall pass to Anne his wife, with remainder to the right
heirs of (a) except that the reversion of the manor of La Mote on the
death of the said Anne shall be to Sir Piers Breous and his heirs to
hold of the chief lord of the fee, who shall provide certain suitable
chaplains to sing masses in the Free Chapel of La Mote for the soul of
(a) and his ancestors Given at La Mote French
Reference: AMS4872/1, East Sussex Record Office: Additional
Manuscripts, Catalogue D (http://www.a2a.org.uk)


1367
14 October 1367
Acquittance from (a) Sir Piers de Brewes, kt., Henry Auger, William
Stantton' clerk, William Olmestede and Robert Covert, chaplain, to (b)
William Taillour of Rye (French) (Transcribed in full in 5 HMC, p. 498,
being an exception to the general grouping of this class.). Whereas (a)
sold to (b) a certain wood in the manor of La Mote, they have received
of (b) and his son Thomas 40 marks sterling in part payment of a sum in
which William and Thomas are bound by this sale. 3 seals, on tongues:
(i) armorial, on a field of crosses pommés a lion rampant; (ii) defaced;
(iii) armorial, a chief and between 2 roundels a cross pommé fitchy.
Reference: RYE/137/5. East Sussex Record Office: Archive of Rye
Corporation [RYE/133 - RYE/157]. (http://www.a2a.org.uk)

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