CP Addition: Birthdate of John, 7th Lord Ros

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CP Addition: Birthdate of John, 7th Lord Ros

Legg inn av Brad Verity » 15 feb 2005 07:47:17

A minor addition. CP, Vol. 11. p. 103: "7. JOHN (DE ROS), LORD ROS, s.
and h., aged 17 in 1414". In a footnote its source for this was his
father's IPMs.

John, 7th Lord Ros, was born 1/2 October 1397. The Suffolk inquisition
of his grandmother Beatrice, Lady Ros, taken on 11 October 1415,
returned that "John her heir was aged 18 years on 2 Oct. last." The
Kent IPM, taken on 10 Oct. 1415, the Norfolk IPM taken on 21 Oct., the
Sussex IPM taken on 22 Oct., and the London IPM, taken on 24 Oct., all
found him age 18 years and more, as did the York IPM taken on 28 Oct.
1415 and the Northampton IPM taken on 10 December 1415.

The Lincoln IPM taken on 18 June 1415, an earlier York IPM taken on 25
June, the Nottingham IPM taken on 29 June, and the Leicester one taken
on 5 July 1415 (all before John's October birthday), returned him as
age 17 years and more.

The Hertford IPM taken on 26 December 1415, which incorrectly returns
the death date of Beatrice, Lady Ros, as 30 March, returned that "John
her heir was aged 17 on the 1st day of Kalends of Oct. last." This is
accurate as to month and day, but makes him a year younger than he was.
Curiously the Essex IPM taken on 25 May 1415, which is the only other
IPM to return a deathdate of 30 March for Beatrice, also is the only
other IPM that makes John a year younger than he was ("aged 16 years
and more").

Three of Beatrice's IPMs (Buckingham-23 April 1415, Lincoln City-7
Sept. 1415, and York Guildhall-14 Sept. 1415), make John a year older
than he was ("18 years and more"). Five of the IPMs of his father
William, Lord Ros, return an age for John (York, Nottingham, Derby,
Lincoln and Leicester). They were taken in late October or November
1414, and correctly return him as age "17 years and more".

John, Lord Ros, reached his majority on 1/2 October 1418, but CP makes
no mention of him proving his age, doing homage or receiving writs for
livery of seisin for his lands. From the CP account, he appears to
have been fighting in France continuously from 1417 to his death at the
battle of Bauge in 1421. Yet he received his lands at some point, for
IPMs were taken following his death, and the Lincoln and York ones
mention a charter dated 8 Sept. 1419 where he granted a number of his
manors to feoffees.

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