New Winston Churchill Museum In London
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D. Spencer Hines
New Winston Churchill Museum In London
We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
But, of course, that tells us FAR more about the present sick, British
psyche than it does about Winston Churchill.
But certainly many MILLIONS of OTHER REAL Brits do NOT feel or think
that way about Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill:
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
Entertaining Nonetheless.
"Personality Museums" -- I like the sound of that. Vide infra.
Also "Tactile And Pre-Digital"....
Yes!
Sadly...
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
DSH
-----------------------
"Winston Churchill, Cigar and All"
"A new London museum honors the great wartime leader."
BY JEREMY HILDRETH
Wednesday, February 9, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
"LONDON -- You've just been roaming the dimly lit subterranean corridors
of the Cabinet War Rooms -- the very space beneath Her Majesty's
Treasury from which Winston Churchill directed Britain's war effort,
spoke to Franklin Roosevelt by telephone and broadcast some his greatest
orations -- when you reach the threshold of the magnificent new
Churchill Museum. There's a quote on the wall: "We are all worms," says
Churchill from the grave, "but I do believe I am a glow worm."
Classic Churchill! ---- DSH
Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the life
and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as the
Greatest Briton ever. Housed in a long-abandoned storage area, the
museum took $B!r(B6 million ($11.1 million), and more than two years, to
realize. Approximately 25% of the funding came from U.S. donors, along
with several of the artifacts, including Sir Winston's polo pants, which
were given by an unnamed American collector who "flew to London in his
private jet," relates museum director Phil Reed, "and handed them to me
over breakfast at the Ritz."
Good Show! ---- DSH
On display here are numerous bits of classic Churchilliana: among them,
the well-chomped, half-consumed cigars (the image-conscious Churchill,
understand, would never smoke a stogie to an unflattering nub) and the
polka-dot bowtie famous from the 1941 portrait by photographer Yosuf
Karsh (which, somehow disappointingly, turns out to have been a
clip-on).
There are also more obscure but equally charming items, such as his own
oil paintings, done in his later years, and the punishment book from
Harrow (his elite boarding school), which lies open to the page upon
which the young Winston is cited for "breaking into premises and doing
damage," an infraction for which he received seven strokes of the cane.
Hmmmmmm. George Walker Bush is in good company. ---- DSH
The modest aim of the museum's backers was to create "the benchmark for
personality museums in the 21st century," and I'd say they've pulled it
off.
It was once said of Churchill in a quote made famous by Ed Murrow that
"he mobilized the English language and sent it into battle." In much
the same vein, "with more than 20 digital interactive exhibits and 14
noninteractive moving graphic projections," the Churchill Museum
mobilizes design and technology and sends them into history. There are
screens to touch, evolving maps to study, and even an electronic pond (a
la the one at the Churchill's family estate, Chartwell) that you can
fish in.
Paradoxically, the effect of all this cutting-edge gimcrackery -- and
this is intentional -- is a visitor experience that is "tactile and
pre-digital," to use the words of graphic designer Nick Bell, whose team
collaborated on the project. "We tried to reflect a mid-century,
analog, paper-driven world using [current] technology," Mr. Bell says,
and to "retain [for people] a sense of opening dusty files in an
archive." ******
The "dusty files" refer particularly to the Lifeline, a 3-foot-wide,
40-foot-long digital display table that cost more than half a million
dollars and has to be seen to be believed.
By riffling electronic tabs, you can find out what was happening in
Churchill's world on seemingly any day during his 90-year life, in the
process revealing facsimile documents, letters and photographs, or
activating relevant animations (e.g., finger the page for Aug. 6, 1945,
the day of the Hiroshima bomb drop, and the entire 120-square-foot
screen gets obliterated in a white bloom). ******
The exhibition begins in 1940 with Churchill as prime minister facing
the threat of a German invasion, and reaches its midpoint at his death
in 1965.
We learn that Churchill planned his own funeral (an exercise he dubbed
"Operation Hope Not") and we see a video of the state funeral,
inventively depicted on three screens.
Most of the videos in the museum have been cropped, edited or repackaged
in some way to impart novelty to what might otherwise appear as stock
historical footage. In this instance, says Roger Mann, whose company
Casson Mann led the exhibition design, "a religious-triptych format was
appropriate because this is the moment Churchill became an icon."
Mr. Mann is quick to point out, though, that the museum "is not a
hagiography, not a theme park and not Madame Tussaud's." Indeed,
curators are at pains to show that Churchill could be a difficult
character, and that his policies and positions (his opposition to
independence for India, for example) were not universally applauded.
The exhibition ends with a news ticker -- aglow with genuine tungsten
bulbs, not LEDs -- streaming headlines about Churchill's election to
prime minister and the rise of Adolf Hitler. One of the final panels
proffers Der Fuhrer's personal opinion of his adversary: "He is an
utterly amoral, repulsive creature."
I expect most visitors to the Churchill Museum will take a rather
different view, including Queen Elizabeth, who will honor Churchill at
the official opening of the museum this Thursday (the day before the
public opening). Churchill, who was in office when Elizabeth acceded to
the throne in 1952, is thought to be the queen's favorite prime
minister."
"Mr. Hildreth is an associate at Saffron, a branding and design
consultancy based in London and Madrid."
-------------------------------
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
But, of course, that tells us FAR more about the present sick, British
psyche than it does about Winston Churchill.
But certainly many MILLIONS of OTHER REAL Brits do NOT feel or think
that way about Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill:
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
Entertaining Nonetheless.
"Personality Museums" -- I like the sound of that. Vide infra.
Also "Tactile And Pre-Digital"....
Yes!
Sadly...
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
DSH
-----------------------
"Winston Churchill, Cigar and All"
"A new London museum honors the great wartime leader."
BY JEREMY HILDRETH
Wednesday, February 9, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
"LONDON -- You've just been roaming the dimly lit subterranean corridors
of the Cabinet War Rooms -- the very space beneath Her Majesty's
Treasury from which Winston Churchill directed Britain's war effort,
spoke to Franklin Roosevelt by telephone and broadcast some his greatest
orations -- when you reach the threshold of the magnificent new
Churchill Museum. There's a quote on the wall: "We are all worms," says
Churchill from the grave, "but I do believe I am a glow worm."
Classic Churchill! ---- DSH
Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the life
and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as the
Greatest Briton ever. Housed in a long-abandoned storage area, the
museum took $B!r(B6 million ($11.1 million), and more than two years, to
realize. Approximately 25% of the funding came from U.S. donors, along
with several of the artifacts, including Sir Winston's polo pants, which
were given by an unnamed American collector who "flew to London in his
private jet," relates museum director Phil Reed, "and handed them to me
over breakfast at the Ritz."
Good Show! ---- DSH
On display here are numerous bits of classic Churchilliana: among them,
the well-chomped, half-consumed cigars (the image-conscious Churchill,
understand, would never smoke a stogie to an unflattering nub) and the
polka-dot bowtie famous from the 1941 portrait by photographer Yosuf
Karsh (which, somehow disappointingly, turns out to have been a
clip-on).
There are also more obscure but equally charming items, such as his own
oil paintings, done in his later years, and the punishment book from
Harrow (his elite boarding school), which lies open to the page upon
which the young Winston is cited for "breaking into premises and doing
damage," an infraction for which he received seven strokes of the cane.
Hmmmmmm. George Walker Bush is in good company. ---- DSH
The modest aim of the museum's backers was to create "the benchmark for
personality museums in the 21st century," and I'd say they've pulled it
off.
It was once said of Churchill in a quote made famous by Ed Murrow that
"he mobilized the English language and sent it into battle." In much
the same vein, "with more than 20 digital interactive exhibits and 14
noninteractive moving graphic projections," the Churchill Museum
mobilizes design and technology and sends them into history. There are
screens to touch, evolving maps to study, and even an electronic pond (a
la the one at the Churchill's family estate, Chartwell) that you can
fish in.
Paradoxically, the effect of all this cutting-edge gimcrackery -- and
this is intentional -- is a visitor experience that is "tactile and
pre-digital," to use the words of graphic designer Nick Bell, whose team
collaborated on the project. "We tried to reflect a mid-century,
analog, paper-driven world using [current] technology," Mr. Bell says,
and to "retain [for people] a sense of opening dusty files in an
archive." ******
The "dusty files" refer particularly to the Lifeline, a 3-foot-wide,
40-foot-long digital display table that cost more than half a million
dollars and has to be seen to be believed.
By riffling electronic tabs, you can find out what was happening in
Churchill's world on seemingly any day during his 90-year life, in the
process revealing facsimile documents, letters and photographs, or
activating relevant animations (e.g., finger the page for Aug. 6, 1945,
the day of the Hiroshima bomb drop, and the entire 120-square-foot
screen gets obliterated in a white bloom). ******
The exhibition begins in 1940 with Churchill as prime minister facing
the threat of a German invasion, and reaches its midpoint at his death
in 1965.
We learn that Churchill planned his own funeral (an exercise he dubbed
"Operation Hope Not") and we see a video of the state funeral,
inventively depicted on three screens.
Most of the videos in the museum have been cropped, edited or repackaged
in some way to impart novelty to what might otherwise appear as stock
historical footage. In this instance, says Roger Mann, whose company
Casson Mann led the exhibition design, "a religious-triptych format was
appropriate because this is the moment Churchill became an icon."
Mr. Mann is quick to point out, though, that the museum "is not a
hagiography, not a theme park and not Madame Tussaud's." Indeed,
curators are at pains to show that Churchill could be a difficult
character, and that his policies and positions (his opposition to
independence for India, for example) were not universally applauded.
The exhibition ends with a news ticker -- aglow with genuine tungsten
bulbs, not LEDs -- streaming headlines about Churchill's election to
prime minister and the rise of Adolf Hitler. One of the final panels
proffers Der Fuhrer's personal opinion of his adversary: "He is an
utterly amoral, repulsive creature."
I expect most visitors to the Churchill Museum will take a rather
different view, including Queen Elizabeth, who will honor Churchill at
the official opening of the museum this Thursday (the day before the
public opening). Churchill, who was in office when Elizabeth acceded to
the throne in 1952, is thought to be the queen's favorite prime
minister."
"Mr. Hildreth is an associate at Saffron, a branding and design
consultancy based in London and Madrid."
-------------------------------
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
-
Renia
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
You're quite wrong, you know. In a recent TV poll which started out with
thousands of Great Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes ... tons.shtml
Renia
We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
You're quite wrong, you know. In a recent TV poll which started out with
thousands of Great Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes ... tons.shtml
Renia
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
Hilarious!
Renia Medusa Stulta Reducta et Defuncta, our British Ex-Pat living in
Greece, is playing silly-buggers again -- a favorite British game.
Here is what I ACTUALLY WROTE.
DSH
--------------------------------------
We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
But, of course, that tells us FAR more about the present sick, British
psyche than it does about Winston Churchill.
But certainly many MILLIONS of OTHER REAL Brits do NOT feel or think
that way about Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill:
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
Entertaining Nonetheless.
"Personality Museums" -- I like the sound of that. Vide infra.
Also "Tactile And Pre-Digital"....
Yes!
Sadly...
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
DSH
-----------------------
"Winston Churchill, Cigar and All"
"A new London museum honors the great wartime leader."
BY JEREMY HILDRETH
Wednesday, February 9, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
"LONDON -- You've just been roaming the dimly lit subterranean corridors
of the Cabinet War Rooms -- the very space beneath Her Majesty's
Treasury from which Winston Churchill directed Britain's war effort,
spoke to Franklin Roosevelt by telephone and broadcast some his greatest
orations -- when you reach the threshold of the magnificent new
Churchill Museum. There's a quote on the wall: "We are all worms," says
Churchill from the grave, "but I do believe I am a glow worm."
Classic Churchill! ---- DSH
Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the life
and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as the
Greatest Briton ever. Housed in a long-abandoned storage area, the
museum took ï¿¡6 million ($11.1 million), and more than two years, to
realize. Approximately 25% of the funding came from U.S. donors, along
with several of the artifacts, including Sir Winston's polo pants, which
were given by an unnamed American collector who "flew to London in his
private jet," relates museum director Phil Reed, "and handed them to me
over breakfast at the Ritz."
Good Show! ---- DSH
On display here are numerous bits of classic Churchilliana: among them,
the well-chomped, half-consumed cigars (the image-conscious Churchill,
understand, would never smoke a stogie to an unflattering nub) and the
polka-dot bowtie famous from the 1941 portrait by photographer Yosuf
Karsh (which, somehow disappointingly, turns out to have been a
clip-on).
There are also more obscure but equally charming items, such as his own
oil paintings, done in his later years, and the punishment book from
Harrow (his elite boarding school), which lies open to the page upon
which the young Winston is cited for "breaking into premises and doing
damage," an infraction for which he received seven strokes of the cane.
Hmmmmmm. George Walker Bush is in good company. ---- DSH
The modest aim of the museum's backers was to create "the benchmark for
personality museums in the 21st century," and I'd say they've pulled it
off.
It was once said of Churchill in a quote made famous by Ed Murrow that
"he mobilized the English language and sent it into battle." In much
the same vein, "with more than 20 digital interactive exhibits and 14
noninteractive moving graphic projections," the Churchill Museum
mobilizes design and technology and sends them into history. There are
screens to touch, evolving maps to study, and even an electronic pond (a
la the one at the Churchill's family estate, Chartwell) that you can
fish in.
Paradoxically, the effect of all this cutting-edge gimcrackery -- and
this is intentional -- is a visitor experience that is "tactile and
pre-digital," to use the words of graphic designer Nick Bell, whose team
collaborated on the project. "We tried to reflect a mid-century,
analog, paper-driven world using [current] technology," Mr. Bell says,
and to "retain [for people] a sense of opening dusty files in an
archive." ******
The "dusty files" refer particularly to the Lifeline, a 3-foot-wide,
40-foot-long digital display table that cost more than half a million
dollars and has to be seen to be believed.
By riffling electronic tabs, you can find out what was happening in
Churchill's world on seemingly any day during his 90-year life, in the
process revealing facsimile documents, letters and photographs, or
activating relevant animations (e.g., finger the page for Aug. 6, 1945,
the day of the Hiroshima bomb drop, and the entire 120-square-foot
screen gets obliterated in a white bloom). ******
The exhibition begins in 1940 with Churchill as prime minister facing
the threat of a German invasion, and reaches its midpoint at his death
in 1965.
We learn that Churchill planned his own funeral (an exercise he dubbed
"Operation Hope Not") and we see a video of the state funeral,
inventively depicted on three screens.
Most of the videos in the museum have been cropped, edited or repackaged
in some way to impart novelty to what might otherwise appear as stock
historical footage. In this instance, says Roger Mann, whose company
Casson Mann led the exhibition design, "a religious-triptych format was
appropriate because this is the moment Churchill became an icon."
Mr. Mann is quick to point out, though, that the museum "is not a
hagiography, not a theme park and not Madame Tussaud's." Indeed,
curators are at pains to show that Churchill could be a difficult
character, and that his policies and positions (his opposition to
independence for India, for example) were not universally applauded.
The exhibition ends with a news ticker -- aglow with genuine tungsten
bulbs, not LEDs -- streaming headlines about Churchill's election to
prime minister and the rise of Adolf Hitler. One of the final panels
proffers Der Fuhrer's personal opinion of his adversary: "He is an
utterly amoral, repulsive creature."
I expect most visitors to the Churchill Museum will take a rather
different view, including Queen Elizabeth, who will honor Churchill at
the official opening of the museum this Thursday (the day before the
public opening). Churchill, who was in office when Elizabeth acceded to
the throne in 1952, is thought to be the queen's favorite prime
minister."
"Mr. Hildreth is an associate at Saffron, a branding and design
consultancy based in London and Madrid."
-------------------------------
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:cudvr6$54j$1@newsmaster.pub.dc.hol.net...
| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
|
| > We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
| > debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little
| >ragamuffins and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
|
| You're quite wrong, you know. In a recent TV poll which started out
with
| thousands of Great Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
|
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes ... tons.shtml
|
| Renia
Renia Medusa Stulta Reducta et Defuncta, our British Ex-Pat living in
Greece, is playing silly-buggers again -- a favorite British game.
Here is what I ACTUALLY WROTE.
DSH
--------------------------------------
We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
But, of course, that tells us FAR more about the present sick, British
psyche than it does about Winston Churchill.
But certainly many MILLIONS of OTHER REAL Brits do NOT feel or think
that way about Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill:
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
Entertaining Nonetheless.
"Personality Museums" -- I like the sound of that. Vide infra.
Also "Tactile And Pre-Digital"....
Yes!
Sadly...
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
DSH
-----------------------
"Winston Churchill, Cigar and All"
"A new London museum honors the great wartime leader."
BY JEREMY HILDRETH
Wednesday, February 9, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
"LONDON -- You've just been roaming the dimly lit subterranean corridors
of the Cabinet War Rooms -- the very space beneath Her Majesty's
Treasury from which Winston Churchill directed Britain's war effort,
spoke to Franklin Roosevelt by telephone and broadcast some his greatest
orations -- when you reach the threshold of the magnificent new
Churchill Museum. There's a quote on the wall: "We are all worms," says
Churchill from the grave, "but I do believe I am a glow worm."
Classic Churchill! ---- DSH
Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the life
and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as the
Greatest Briton ever. Housed in a long-abandoned storage area, the
museum took ï¿¡6 million ($11.1 million), and more than two years, to
realize. Approximately 25% of the funding came from U.S. donors, along
with several of the artifacts, including Sir Winston's polo pants, which
were given by an unnamed American collector who "flew to London in his
private jet," relates museum director Phil Reed, "and handed them to me
over breakfast at the Ritz."
Good Show! ---- DSH
On display here are numerous bits of classic Churchilliana: among them,
the well-chomped, half-consumed cigars (the image-conscious Churchill,
understand, would never smoke a stogie to an unflattering nub) and the
polka-dot bowtie famous from the 1941 portrait by photographer Yosuf
Karsh (which, somehow disappointingly, turns out to have been a
clip-on).
There are also more obscure but equally charming items, such as his own
oil paintings, done in his later years, and the punishment book from
Harrow (his elite boarding school), which lies open to the page upon
which the young Winston is cited for "breaking into premises and doing
damage," an infraction for which he received seven strokes of the cane.
Hmmmmmm. George Walker Bush is in good company. ---- DSH
The modest aim of the museum's backers was to create "the benchmark for
personality museums in the 21st century," and I'd say they've pulled it
off.
It was once said of Churchill in a quote made famous by Ed Murrow that
"he mobilized the English language and sent it into battle." In much
the same vein, "with more than 20 digital interactive exhibits and 14
noninteractive moving graphic projections," the Churchill Museum
mobilizes design and technology and sends them into history. There are
screens to touch, evolving maps to study, and even an electronic pond (a
la the one at the Churchill's family estate, Chartwell) that you can
fish in.
Paradoxically, the effect of all this cutting-edge gimcrackery -- and
this is intentional -- is a visitor experience that is "tactile and
pre-digital," to use the words of graphic designer Nick Bell, whose team
collaborated on the project. "We tried to reflect a mid-century,
analog, paper-driven world using [current] technology," Mr. Bell says,
and to "retain [for people] a sense of opening dusty files in an
archive." ******
The "dusty files" refer particularly to the Lifeline, a 3-foot-wide,
40-foot-long digital display table that cost more than half a million
dollars and has to be seen to be believed.
By riffling electronic tabs, you can find out what was happening in
Churchill's world on seemingly any day during his 90-year life, in the
process revealing facsimile documents, letters and photographs, or
activating relevant animations (e.g., finger the page for Aug. 6, 1945,
the day of the Hiroshima bomb drop, and the entire 120-square-foot
screen gets obliterated in a white bloom). ******
The exhibition begins in 1940 with Churchill as prime minister facing
the threat of a German invasion, and reaches its midpoint at his death
in 1965.
We learn that Churchill planned his own funeral (an exercise he dubbed
"Operation Hope Not") and we see a video of the state funeral,
inventively depicted on three screens.
Most of the videos in the museum have been cropped, edited or repackaged
in some way to impart novelty to what might otherwise appear as stock
historical footage. In this instance, says Roger Mann, whose company
Casson Mann led the exhibition design, "a religious-triptych format was
appropriate because this is the moment Churchill became an icon."
Mr. Mann is quick to point out, though, that the museum "is not a
hagiography, not a theme park and not Madame Tussaud's." Indeed,
curators are at pains to show that Churchill could be a difficult
character, and that his policies and positions (his opposition to
independence for India, for example) were not universally applauded.
The exhibition ends with a news ticker -- aglow with genuine tungsten
bulbs, not LEDs -- streaming headlines about Churchill's election to
prime minister and the rise of Adolf Hitler. One of the final panels
proffers Der Fuhrer's personal opinion of his adversary: "He is an
utterly amoral, repulsive creature."
I expect most visitors to the Churchill Museum will take a rather
different view, including Queen Elizabeth, who will honor Churchill at
the official opening of the museum this Thursday (the day before the
public opening). Churchill, who was in office when Elizabeth acceded to
the throne in 1952, is thought to be the queen's favorite prime
minister."
"Mr. Hildreth is an associate at Saffron, a branding and design
consultancy based in London and Madrid."
-------------------------------
The United Kingdom STILL hasn't recovered from World War II.
That war, in concert with the Great War, warped the soul of the British
People.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:cudvr6$54j$1@newsmaster.pub.dc.hol.net...
| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
|
| > We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
| > debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little
| >ragamuffins and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
|
| You're quite wrong, you know. In a recent TV poll which started out
with
| thousands of Great Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
|
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes ... tons.shtml
|
| Renia
-
Matthew Rockefeller
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
Winston was a curious man, and defintely quite the leader. I love
reading his quotes. As he once said, "History will be kind to me for I
intend to write it." One of my favorite quotes is "Men stumble over the
truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as
if nothing happened." Amen to that.
God save the Queen!
Matthew
reading his quotes. As he once said, "History will be kind to me for I
intend to write it." One of my favorite quotes is "Men stumble over the
truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as
if nothing happened." Amen to that.
God save the Queen!
Matthew
-
Renia
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Hilarious!
Renia Medusa Stulta Reducta et Defuncta, our British Ex-Pat living in
Greece, is playing silly-buggers again -- a favorite British game.
Here is what I ACTUALLY WROTE.
DSH
--------------------------------------
We are all aware that there are many Winston-Churchill haters and
debunkers in Britain today -- millions indeed of the little ragamuffins
and Left-Wing prattlers and scribblers.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
Hilarious!
The Real Story emerges.
Renia Medusa Stulta Reducta et Defuncta, our British Ex-Pat living in
Greece, is playing silly-buggers again -- a favorite British game.
DSH
"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
| news:cudvkf$501$1@newsmaster.pub.dc.hol.net...
| > ...In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great
| > Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
|
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
|
| --
| William Black
|
| I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
| Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
| I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
| All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
| Time for tea
The Real Story emerges.
Renia Medusa Stulta Reducta et Defuncta, our British Ex-Pat living in
Greece, is playing silly-buggers again -- a favorite British game.
DSH
"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
| news:cudvkf$501$1@newsmaster.pub.dc.hol.net...
| > ...In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great
| > Britons, he was named greatest Briton of them all.
|
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
|
| --
| William Black
|
| I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
| Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
| I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
| All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
| Time for tea
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
"In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great Britons,
he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
Yorkshire
---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
"In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great Britons,
he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
Yorkshire
---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
-
David Read
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BMzOd.327$Df3.4116@eagle.america.net...
No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a series of
ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists and other
personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the ten nominated
candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498 votes, Isambard
Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess Diana third with 225,584
votes. The next seven, in order of popularity were Charles Darwin,
(112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac Newton, (84,628) Elizabeth I,
(71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio Nelson (49,171) and Oliver Cromwell
(45,053). Other Britons could be voted for, but it was only these ten who
each had a progamme devoted to their case, and it was these ten who made the
top ten.
--
cheers,
David Read
news:BMzOd.327$Df3.4116@eagle.america.net...
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
"In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great Britons,
he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
Yorkshire
---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a series of
ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists and other
personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the ten nominated
candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498 votes, Isambard
Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess Diana third with 225,584
votes. The next seven, in order of popularity were Charles Darwin,
(112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac Newton, (84,628) Elizabeth I,
(71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio Nelson (49,171) and Oliver Cromwell
(45,053). Other Britons could be voted for, but it was only these ten who
each had a progamme devoted to their case, and it was these ten who made the
top ten.
--
cheers,
David Read
-
Peter Stewart
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
"David Read" <davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
<snip>
Thanks for posting these reults, David - they certainly (yes, Spencer,
categorically) give the impression that advocacy in the programmes must have
counted for a good deal with the viewers, leaving Darwin, Shakespeare,
Newton and Elizabeth in the middle of these ten.
Peter Stewart
news:cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BMzOd.327$Df3.4116@eagle.america.net...
<snip>
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a series
of ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists and
other personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the ten
nominated candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498 votes,
Isambard Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess Diana third
with 225,584 votes. The next seven, in order of popularity were Charles
Darwin, (112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac Newton, (84,628)
Elizabeth I, (71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio Nelson (49,171) and
Oliver Cromwell (45,053). Other Britons could be voted for, but it was
only these ten who each had a progamme devoted to their case, and it was
these ten who made the top ten.
Thanks for posting these reults, David - they certainly (yes, Spencer,
categorically) give the impression that advocacy in the programmes must have
counted for a good deal with the viewers, leaving Darwin, Shakespeare,
Newton and Elizabeth in the middle of these ten.
Peter Stewart
-
Gjest
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
In a message dated 10/02/2005 02:34:15 GMT Standard Time,
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
Yes, it did. They tended to forget about other Great Britons like, Isambard
Kingdom Brunnel, Oliver Cromwell, Admiral Lord Nelson etc., etc.,
Shows what a shallow race we Brits are becoming.
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
Yes, it did. They tended to forget about other Great Britons like, Isambard
Kingdom Brunnel, Oliver Cromwell, Admiral Lord Nelson etc., etc.,
Shows what a shallow race we Brits are becoming.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
Thank you kindly.
My fundamental faith in British sanity and fair play is intact.
Had Princess Airhead won it would have been shaken to the roots.
And Charles will marry Camilla, so reports here say!
Deeeeelightful!
DSH
"David Read" <davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
|
| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:BMzOd.327$Df3.4116@eagle.america.net...
| > "Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
| > life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002
as
| > the Greatest Briton ever."
| >
| > "In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great
Britons,
| > he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
| >
| > Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| >
| > | Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there
was
| > | an e-mail campaign to stop it.
| >
| > William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
| > Yorkshire
| >
| > ---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
| >
| > Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and
Princess
| > Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
| >
|
| No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a
series of
| ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists and
other
| personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the ten
nominated
| candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498 votes, Isambard
| Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess Diana third with
225,584
| votes. The next seven, in order of popularity were Charles Darwin,
| (112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac Newton, (84,628)
Elizabeth I,
| (71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio Nelson (49,171) and Oliver
Cromwell
| (45,053). Other Britons could be voted for, but it was only these ten
who
| each had a progamme devoted to their case, and it was these ten who
made the
| top ten.
|
| --
|
| cheers,
|
| David Read
My fundamental faith in British sanity and fair play is intact.
Had Princess Airhead won it would have been shaken to the roots.
And Charles will marry Camilla, so reports here say!
Deeeeelightful!
DSH
"David Read" <davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
|
| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:BMzOd.327$Df3.4116@eagle.america.net...
| > "Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
| > life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002
as
| > the Greatest Briton ever."
| >
| > "In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great
Britons,
| > he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
| >
| > Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| >
| > | Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there
was
| > | an e-mail campaign to stop it.
| >
| > William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
| > Yorkshire
| >
| > ---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
| >
| > Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and
Princess
| > Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
| >
|
| No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a
series of
| ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists and
other
| personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the ten
nominated
| candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498 votes, Isambard
| Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess Diana third with
225,584
| votes. The next seven, in order of popularity were Charles Darwin,
| (112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac Newton, (84,628)
Elizabeth I,
| (71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio Nelson (49,171) and Oliver
Cromwell
| (45,053). Other Britons could be voted for, but it was only these ten
who
| each had a progamme devoted to their case, and it was these ten who
made the
| top ten.
|
| --
|
| cheers,
|
| David Read
-
John Cartmell
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
In article <cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, David Read
<davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Diana, Newton and Lennon were misplaced and should never have been included
in the favoured top ten. Rather Alfred, Richard III, Hooke.
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<davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a series
of ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists
and other personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the
ten nominated candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498
votes, Isambard Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess
Diana third with 225,584 votes. The next seven, in order of popularity
were Charles Darwin, (112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac
Newton, (84,628) Elizabeth I, (71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio
Nelson (49,171) and Oliver Cromwell (45,053). Other Britons could be
voted for, but it was only these ten who each had a progamme devoted to
their case, and it was these ten who made the top ten.
Diana, Newton and Lennon were misplaced and should never have been included
in the favoured top ten. Rather Alfred, Richard III, Hooke.
--
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Qercus magazine & FD Games http://www.finnybank.com http://www.acornuser.com
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-
martin reboul
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d3af94eb2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
What!?
I agree about Diana, replace her with Wellington or Cromwell perhaps
(sentimentality has no place in such 'elections'!). Brunel did well because of
Clarkson's excellent presentation I think, but rose a little high for me. Liz 1
should have been very near the top, but many have been overlooked, such as King
Harold and Sherlock Holmes... ahem.. I mean, Conan Doyle. And which Hooke do you
mean - Hilary Hooke, the one who nicked the brandy in Zulu, or the one who
played with springs and stuff?
As for Richard III... tut tut!
Cheers
Martin
news:4d3af94eb2john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <cueuv5$2fe$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, David Read
davidread@dreadful.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
No. Diana came third. The poll was conducted by the BBC, during a series
of ten television programmes in which various historians, journalists
and other personalities were selected as advocates, one each, for the
ten nominated candidates. Winston Churchill came first with 456, 498
votes, Isambard Kingdom Brunel second with 398,526 votes, Princess
Diana third with 225,584 votes. The next seven, in order of popularity
were Charles Darwin, (112,496)William Shakespeare, (109,919) Isaac
Newton, (84,628) Elizabeth I, (71,928) John Lennon, (68,425) Horatio
Nelson (49,171) and Oliver Cromwell (45,053). Other Britons could be
voted for, but it was only these ten who each had a progamme devoted to
their case, and it was these ten who made the top ten.
Diana, Newton and Lennon were misplaced and should never have been included
in the favoured top ten. Rather Alfred, Richard III, Hooke.
What!?
I agree about Diana, replace her with Wellington or Cromwell perhaps
(sentimentality has no place in such 'elections'!). Brunel did well because of
Clarkson's excellent presentation I think, but rose a little high for me. Liz 1
should have been very near the top, but many have been overlooked, such as King
Harold and Sherlock Holmes... ahem.. I mean, Conan Doyle. And which Hooke do you
mean - Hilary Hooke, the one who nicked the brandy in Zulu, or the one who
played with springs and stuff?
As for Richard III... tut tut!
Cheers
Martin
-
John Cartmell
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
In article <420bbd58_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
<martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
The one whose reputation was maliciously blackened by Newton. Much more
than mere springs and plenty that Newton nicked whilst being too busy being
Nottonier.
OK so he didn't get much time for his welcome reforms but he did do some
superb work before becoming King - even if most of it was undone by Henry
Tudor. With more time and less traitorous invasions Richard would have
permanently brought England out of a medieval mindset and laid foundations
for long-lasting peace in the north and in Ireland.
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<martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
And which Hooke do you mean - Hilary Hooke, the one who nicked the
brandy in Zulu, or the one who played with springs and stuff?
The one whose reputation was maliciously blackened by Newton. Much more
than mere springs and plenty that Newton nicked whilst being too busy being
Nottonier.
As for Richard III... tut tut!
OK so he didn't get much time for his welcome reforms but he did do some
superb work before becoming King - even if most of it was undone by Henry
Tudor. With more time and less traitorous invasions Richard would have
permanently brought England out of a medieval mindset and laid foundations
for long-lasting peace in the north and in Ireland.
--
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-
martin reboul
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d3b3f3003john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
I wonder... you may be right. Poor Richard never really had a chance I'm afraid,
a victim of most unfortunate circumstances. He may well have made an excellent
King, but unfortunately fortune was against him.
news:4d3b3f3003john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <420bbd58_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
And which Hooke do you mean - Hilary Hooke, the one who nicked the
brandy in Zulu, or the one who played with springs and stuff?
The one whose reputation was maliciously blackened by Newton. Much more
than mere springs and plenty that Newton nicked whilst being too busy being
Nottonier.
As for Richard III... tut tut!
OK so he didn't get much time for his welcome reforms but he did do some
superb work before becoming King - even if most of it was undone by Henry
Tudor. With more time and less traitorous invasions Richard would have
permanently brought England out of a medieval mindset and laid foundations
for long-lasting peace in the north and in Ireland.
I wonder... you may be right. Poor Richard never really had a chance I'm afraid,
a victim of most unfortunate circumstances. He may well have made an excellent
King, but unfortunately fortune was against him.
-
John Cartmell
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
In article <420bf174_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
<martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Too civilised and much too ready to pardon rather than execute traitors.
Henry Tudor never suffered from that flaw. ;-(
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<martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4d3b3f3003john@cartmell.demon.co.uk...
In article <420bbd58_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, martin reboul
martin.reboul@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
And which Hooke do you mean - Hilary Hooke, the one who nicked the
brandy in Zulu, or the one who played with springs and stuff?
The one whose reputation was maliciously blackened by Newton. Much
more than mere springs and plenty that Newton nicked whilst being too
busy being Nottonier.
As for Richard III... tut tut!
OK so he didn't get much time for his welcome reforms but he did do
some superb work before becoming King - even if most of it was undone
by Henry Tudor. With more time and less traitorous invasions Richard
would have permanently brought England out of a medieval mindset and
laid foundations for long-lasting peace in the north and in Ireland.
I wonder... you may be right. Poor Richard never really had a chance I'm
afraid, a victim of most unfortunate circumstances. He may well have
made an excellent King, but unfortunately fortune was against him.
Too civilised and much too ready to pardon rather than execute traitors.
Henry Tudor never suffered from that flaw. ;-(
--
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-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: New Winston Churchill Museum In London
Black The Red apparently still thinks it all came down to a contest
between Winston and Diana.
He certainly has not retracted his assertion below.
DSH
------------------------------------
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
"In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great Britons,
he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
Yorkshire
---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
between Winston and Diana.
He certainly has not retracted his assertion below.
DSH
------------------------------------
"Welcome to the first permanent national exhibition dedicated to the
life and achievements of the man voted by the British public in 2002 as
the Greatest Briton ever."
"In a recent TV poll which started out with thousands of Great Britons,
he [WLSC] was named greatest Briton of them all."
Renia 'Medusa' Simmonds -- Expat Brit Living In Athens, Greece
| Only because it looked like Princess Airhead might win and there was
| an e-mail campaign to stop it.
William Black -- AKA Black The Red -- Certified Brit -- Resident In
Yorkshire
---------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------------
Did it really come down to a contest between Sir Winston and Princess
Airhead, AKA Cousin Diana?
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor