Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

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D. Spencer Hines

Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 09 feb 2005 02:31:02

True Enough.

But the GENERAL PUBLIC was fooled. That's my point.

See the white-washed Cary Grant film, now on DVD, _Night And Day_ -- and
compare it with the recent _De-Lovely_, also on DVD.

Cole Porter and Monty Woolley also had assignations with
African-American men, Monty in particular -- and they were known to have
gone on the prowl together in Harlem.

They later seem to have had a falling out over that. Cole was always a
bit of a racist and preferred buff young WASPs, particularly members of
the Armed Forces.

It seems that Monty Woolley had taken up a black manservant as a lover
in his later years.

Cole disapproved. One night Monty supposedly drove over from Saratoga
to visit Cole in Williamstown. A snowstorm ensued and Monty asked Cole
if he might spend the night. Cole allegedly firmly refused. So the two
men, once old friends, who had met at Yale, did not see much of each
other in their last years. Monty died first, in May 1963.

Yes, Virginia, this is the same Monty Wooley you have seen in _Night And
Day_, _Since You Went Away_ and _The Man Who Came To Dinner_.

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > Point Taken....
| >
| > We know of HUNDREDS of such cases of "marriages of convenience" as
| >cover.
| >
| > How about Cole Porter for starters....
|
| Actually, Cole Porter never tried to hide the fact that he was
| homosexual--at least among the caf$B!&(Bsociety crowd he ran with. And,
| curiously, despite his endless and unconcealed dalliances with members
of
| the jeunesse dor$BqF(B, his marriage to Linda Lee was a very successful
one,
| with deep affection on both sides. To be sure, it was not without the
ups
| and downs of any marriage (he loved Hollywood--she hated it). Perhaps
it was
| Cole Porter himself who expressed his relationship with his wife best:
"I am
| always true to you, darling in my fashion./ I am always true to you,
| darling, in my way."
|
| JSG

Peter Stewart

Re: Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 09 feb 2005 03:22:06

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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True Enough.

But the GENERAL PUBLIC was fooled. That's my point.

See the white-washed Cary Grant film, now on DVD, _Night And Day_ -- and
compare it with the recent _De-Lovely_, also on DVD.

Cole Porter and Monty Woolley also had assignations with
African-American men, Monty in particular -- and they were known to have
gone on the prowl together in Harlem.

They later seem to have had a falling out over that. Cole was always a
bit of a racist and preferred buff young WASPs, particularly members of
the Armed Forces.

It seems that Monty Woolley had taken up a black manservant as a lover
in his later years.

Cole disapproved. One night Monty supposedly drove over from Saratoga
to visit Cole in Williamstown. A snowstorm ensued and Monty asked Cole
if he might spend the night. Cole allegedly firmly refused. So the two
men, once old friends, who had met at Yale, did not see much of each
other in their last years. Monty died first, in May 1963.

Yes, Virginia, this is the same Monty Wooley you have seen in _Night And
Day_, _Since You Went Away_ and _The Man Who Came To Dinner_.

And was he the same Monty Woolley [sic] whose surname you spelled
differently above?

Peter Stewart

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 09 feb 2005 19:10:03

| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:ga_Nd.174$Df3.2847@eagle.america.net...

| > Point Taken....
| >
| > We know of HUNDREDS of such cases of "marriages of convenience" as
| >cover.
| >
| > How about Cole Porter for starters....

""joy mceldowney"" <pompey27@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:005e01c50e63$231d4880$9c89a4cb@desk...

"What about the King of Denmark for 'finishers?' Doesn't care who
knows. He has children. Lives in France. It's an open book. The
whole story came out when his eldest son recently got married to that
beautiful Tasmanian-Scot! (Her dad, looking magnificent in his kilt,
made up for anything the king may have lacked!)"

JEMcE
Tasmania, Australia!

Hmmmmmmm...

Well, he certainly doesn't sound like a Melancholy Dane. <g>

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...

True Enough.

But the GENERAL PUBLIC was fooled. That's my point.

See the white-washed Cary Grant film, now on DVD, _Night And Day_ -- and
compare it with the recent _De-Lovely_, also on DVD.

Cole Porter and Monty Woolley also had assignations with
African-American men, Monty in particular -- and they were known to have
gone on the prowl together in Harlem.

They later seem to have had a falling out over that. Cole was always a
bit of a racist and preferred buff young WASPs, particularly members of
the Armed Forces.

It seems that Monty Woolley had taken up a black manservant as a lover
in his later years.

Cole disapproved. One night Monty supposedly drove over from Saratoga
to visit Cole in Williamstown. A snowstorm ensued and Monty asked Cole
if he might spend the night. Cole allegedly firmly refused. So the two
men, once old friends, who had met at Yale, did not see much of each
other in their last years. Monty died first, in May 1963.

Yes, Virginia, this is the same Monty Woolley you have seen in _Night
And Day_, _Since You Went Away_ and _The Man Who Came To Dinner_.

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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|
| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:ga_Nd.174$Df3.2847@eagle.america.net...

| > Point Taken....
| >
| > We know of HUNDREDS of such cases of "marriages of convenience" as
| >cover.
| >
| > How about Cole Porter for starters....
|
| Actually, Cole Porter never tried to hide the fact that he was
| homosexual--at least among the caf$B!&(Bsociety crowd he ran with. And,
| curiously, despite his endless and unconcealed dalliances with members
of
| the jeunesse dor$BqF(B, his marriage to Linda Lee was a very successful
one,
| with deep affection on both sides. To be sure, it was not without the
ups
| and downs of any marriage (he loved Hollywood--she hated it). Perhaps
it was
| Cole Porter himself who expressed his relationship with his wife best:
"I am
| always true to you, darling in my fashion./ I am always true to you,
| darling, in my way."
|
| JSG

John Steele Gordon

Re: Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

Legg inn av John Steele Gordon » 09 feb 2005 23:43:09

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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True Enough.

But the GENERAL PUBLIC was fooled. That's my point.

See the white-washed Cary Grant film, now on DVD, _Night And Day_ -- and
compare it with the recent _De-Lovely_, also on DVD.

No movie coming anywhere close to the reality of Cole Porter's life could
have got past the Hayes Office when Night and Day with Cary Grant came out
(1946).

De-Lovely was most enjoyable, but mainly for the Cole Porter music. It also
plays fast and lose with the facts, of course, being an ordinary movie, and
in no sense a documentary. Cole Porter's riding accident, for instance,
takes place in California when, in fact, it took place in the Bois de
Boulogne in Paris (where else, for heaven's sake, would Cole Porter have a
riding accident?). And I thought De-Lovely missed a great opportunity here.
In real life, as Porter lay on the ground in great pain, his leg shattered
(it would never really heal), waiting for help, he took out a pad and pencil
and finished the lyric to one of his classic songs, "At Long Last Love":

Have I the right hunch or have I the wrong?
Will it be Bach I shall hear or just a Cole Porter song?
Is it a fancy not worth thinking of,
Or is it at long last love?"


To me, this story says a lot about Porter's essential character.

JSG

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Homosexuals, Cole Porter & Marriages Of Convenience

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 10 feb 2005 00:01:02

Yep.

Stalwart, marching to a different drummer.

Boola, Boola!

Kevin Kline was miscast in _De-Lovely_, in my opinion.

Did your mother know Cole Porter?

DSH

"John Steele Gordon" <ancestry@optonline.net> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:UEdOd.217$Df3.3059@eagle.america.net...

| > True Enough.
| >
| > But the GENERAL PUBLIC was fooled. That's my point.
| >
| > See the white-washed Cary Grant film, now on DVD, _Night And Day_ --
and
| > compare it with the recent _De-Lovely_, also on DVD.
|
| No movie coming anywhere close to the reality of Cole Porter's life
could
| have got past the Hayes Office when Night and Day with Cary Grant came
out
| (1946).
|
| De-Lovely was most enjoyable, but mainly for the Cole Porter music. It
also
| plays fast and lose with the facts, of course, being an ordinary
movie, and
| in no sense a documentary. Cole Porter's riding accident, for
instance,
| takes place in California when, in fact, it took place in the Bois de
| Boulogne in Paris (where else, for heaven's sake, would Cole Porter
have a
| riding accident?). And I thought De-Lovely missed a great opportunity
here.
| In real life, as Porter lay on the ground in great pain, his leg
shattered
| (it would never really heal), waiting for help, he took out a pad and
pencil
| and finished the lyric to one of his classic songs, "At Long Last
Love":
|
| Have I the right hunch or have I the wrong?
| Will it be Bach I shall hear or just a Cole Porter song?
| Is it a fancy not worth thinking of,
| Or is it at long last love?"
|
|
| To me, this story says a lot about Porter's essential character.
|
| JSG

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