The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
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Maaxx
The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
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Chris Phillips
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Maaxx wrote:
As far as I know, Henry VIII is not an ancestor of the Queen (or probably of
anyone else - at least as far as verifiable lines of descent go).
Chris Phillips
PS Of course, there are other errors in your message, but this is the only
one that's on-topic.
The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
As far as I know, Henry VIII is not an ancestor of the Queen (or probably of
anyone else - at least as far as verifiable lines of descent go).
Chris Phillips
PS Of course, there are other errors in your message, but this is the only
one that's on-topic.
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Gjest
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
In a message dated 2/7/2005 6:15:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
maaxx@xrs.net writes:
The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable that someone would write such. And how do
you feel about the picture of Jesus in the frying pan?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
maaxx@xrs.net writes:
The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable that someone would write such. And how do
you feel about the picture of Jesus in the frying pan?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
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William Earl Haskell
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
GRHaleJr@aol.com wrote:
Unless there's some line of descent by way of his (alleged?) natural son,
he's only Lizzie's Uncle Harry some distance removed.
Hungry?
In a message dated 2/7/2005 6:15:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
maaxx@xrs.net writes:
The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
Unless there's some line of descent by way of his (alleged?) natural son,
he's only Lizzie's Uncle Harry some distance removed.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable that someone would write such. And how
do you feel about the picture of Jesus in the frying pan?
Hungry?
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Gjest
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes official crown is a three
tiered one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only wear one tier.
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
regards
Peter ( de loriol)
tiered one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only wear one tier.
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
regards
Peter ( de loriol)
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Gjest
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
In a message dated 2/8/2005 4:52:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
PDeloriol@aol.com writes:
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be
the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
I can only dispute this logically, since I did not know the gentleman cited
as your source.
The ruling monarch of the British Empire is also the head of the English
(Anglican) church, is he/she not. Why would the head of the Catholic Church
have seniority over the head of the Anglican Church?
I thought this had been determined when Henry VIII set up the Anglican
church in opposition to the Catholic church and made himself, and consequently all
future rulers of England, head of the Church. As such do you really think
that Henry VIII would have "genuflected" before the Roman pope? I do not
think so.
The Holy Roman Emperor would have been a different matter, since that
individual was likely of the Roman Catholic faith. He would genuflect before the
Pope.
By the way, when the Pope evacuates his bowels, is it Pope poop?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
PDeloriol@aol.com writes:
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be
the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
I can only dispute this logically, since I did not know the gentleman cited
as your source.
The ruling monarch of the British Empire is also the head of the English
(Anglican) church, is he/she not. Why would the head of the Catholic Church
have seniority over the head of the Anglican Church?
I thought this had been determined when Henry VIII set up the Anglican
church in opposition to the Catholic church and made himself, and consequently all
future rulers of England, head of the Church. As such do you really think
that Henry VIII would have "genuflected" before the Roman pope? I do not
think so.
The Holy Roman Emperor would have been a different matter, since that
individual was likely of the Roman Catholic faith. He would genuflect before the
Pope.
By the way, when the Pope evacuates his bowels, is it Pope poop?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
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Gjest
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
You mis-read my message.....He is triple crowned as a temporal ruler, and
therefore outranks all monarchs!
therefore outranks all monarchs!
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Ginny Wagner
RE: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Just can't see the Queen kissin his stirrup! Lol. Can't see the Pope on a
horse! Wonder if our President kissed the Pope's ring and knelt when in
Rome. Hmmmm.
Ginny Wagner
In a message dated 2/8/2005 4:52:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
PDeloriol@aol.com writes:
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be
the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
I can only dispute this logically, since I did not know the gentleman cited
as your source.
The ruling monarch of the British Empire is also the head of the English
(Anglican) church, is he/she not. Why would the head of the Catholic
Church
have seniority over the head of the Anglican Church?
I thought this had been determined when Henry VIII set up the Anglican
church in opposition to the Catholic church and made himself, and
consequently all
future rulers of England, head of the Church. As such do you really think
that Henry VIII would have "genuflected" before the Roman pope? I do not
think so.
The Holy Roman Emperor would have been a different matter, since that
individual was likely of the Roman Catholic faith. He would genuflect
before the
Pope.
By the way, when the Pope evacuates his bowels, is it Pope poop?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
horse! Wonder if our President kissed the Pope's ring and knelt when in
Rome. Hmmmm.
Ginny Wagner
In a message dated 2/8/2005 4:52:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
PDeloriol@aol.com writes:
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay' monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be
the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
I can only dispute this logically, since I did not know the gentleman cited
as your source.
The ruling monarch of the British Empire is also the head of the English
(Anglican) church, is he/she not. Why would the head of the Catholic
Church
have seniority over the head of the Anglican Church?
I thought this had been determined when Henry VIII set up the Anglican
church in opposition to the Catholic church and made himself, and
consequently all
future rulers of England, head of the Church. As such do you really think
that Henry VIII would have "genuflected" before the Roman pope? I do not
think so.
The Holy Roman Emperor would have been a different matter, since that
individual was likely of the Roman Catholic faith. He would genuflect
before the
Pope.
By the way, when the Pope evacuates his bowels, is it Pope poop?
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
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D. Spencer Hines
Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
Stand & Deliver....
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
| Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes [sic] official crown
is a three
| tiered [sic] one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only
wear
one tier.
| The format [sic] for instance, when he visits England, [sic] is that
as a 'lay'
monarch
| he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects [sic] before him. It
would
be the
| same for the Holy Roman Emperor, [sic] He outranks him.
|
| This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
|
| regards
| Peter ( de loriol)
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
Stand & Deliver....
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
| Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes [sic] official crown
is a three
| tiered [sic] one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only
wear
one tier.
| The format [sic] for instance, when he visits England, [sic] is that
as a 'lay'
monarch
| he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects [sic] before him. It
would
be the
| same for the Holy Roman Emperor, [sic] He outranks him.
|
| This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
|
| regards
| Peter ( de loriol)
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Peter Stewart
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
meetings, both in London and Rome.
Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen claims
to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to be the
vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst sovereigns
is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II "outranks"
John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream of
genuflecting to the other over this.
Peter Stewart
news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
meetings, both in London and Rome.
Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen claims
to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to be the
vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst sovereigns
is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II "outranks"
John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream of
genuflecting to the other over this.
Peter Stewart
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
Bingo!
Good Post By Peter Stewart.
Peter Delorial, au contraire, must be smoking something vile.
Hashish?
Incredible GAFFE by Wagner -- or bollixed misreporting by Delorial.
DSH
Here's the COMPLETE Exchange:
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Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
Stand & Deliver....
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
| Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes [sic] official crown
is a three
| tiered [sic] one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only
wear
one tier.
| The format [sic] for instance, when he visits England, [sic] is that
as a 'lay'
monarch
| he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects [sic] before him. It
would
be the
| same for the Holy Roman Emperor, [sic] He outranks him.
|
| This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
|
| regards
| Peter ( de loriol)
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:mqaOd.152859$K7.89401@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
| > Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
| > quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
|
| She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
| meetings, both in London and Rome.
|
| Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen
claims
| to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to
be the
| vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst
sovereigns
| is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II
"outranks"
| John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream
of
| genuflecting to the other over this.
|
| Peter Stewart
Good Post By Peter Stewart.
Peter Delorial, au contraire, must be smoking something vile.
Hashish?
Incredible GAFFE by Wagner -- or bollixed misreporting by Delorial.
DSH
Here's the COMPLETE Exchange:
----------------------------
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
Stand & Deliver....
"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
opus.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
| Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes [sic] official crown
is a three
| tiered [sic] one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only
wear
one tier.
| The format [sic] for instance, when he visits England, [sic] is that
as a 'lay'
monarch
| he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects [sic] before him. It
would
be the
| same for the Holy Roman Emperor, [sic] He outranks him.
|
| This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
|
| regards
| Peter ( de loriol)
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:mqaOd.152859$K7.89401@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
| > Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
| > quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
|
| She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
| meetings, both in London and Rome.
|
| Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen
claims
| to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to
be the
| vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst
sovereigns
| is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II
"outranks"
| John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream
of
| genuflecting to the other over this.
|
| Peter Stewart
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Renia
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
Peter Stewart wrote:
Not only that, but a Catholic genuflects before God, and thus to the
Pope as God's earthly representative. The Queen is not Catholic.
Renia
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
meetings, both in London and Rome.
Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen claims
to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to be the
vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst sovereigns
is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II "outranks"
John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream of
genuflecting to the other over this.
Peter Stewart
Not only that, but a Catholic genuflects before God, and thus to the
Pope as God's earthly representative. The Queen is not Catholic.
Renia
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Peter Stewart
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:cubns6$2k7$1@usenet.otenet.gr...
Yes, but remember that Catholics & some others frequently greet bishops,
archbishops and patriarchs in exactly the same way as they might the pope,
although perhaps not with quite the same pious energy to the obeisance.
I find it very strange indeed that Sir Anthony Wagner, who was Garter king
of arms, could have been so ill-informed about such a matter of protocol.
Peter Stewart
news:cubns6$2k7$1@usenet.otenet.gr...
Peter Stewart wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
meetings, both in London and Rome.
Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen
claims to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope
to be the vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence
amongst sovereigns is determined by their order of accession, so that
Elizabeth II "outranks" John Paul II by many years. But of course neither
of them would dream of genuflecting to the other over this.
Peter Stewart
Not only that, but a Catholic genuflects before God, and thus to the Pope
as God's earthly representative. The Queen is not Catholic.
Yes, but remember that Catholics & some others frequently greet bishops,
archbishops and patriarchs in exactly the same way as they might the pope,
although perhaps not with quite the same pious energy to the obeisance.
I find it very strange indeed that Sir Anthony Wagner, who was Garter king
of arms, could have been so ill-informed about such a matter of protocol.
Peter Stewart
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David Webb
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
What about her disgraceful support for multiculturalism and mass non-white
immigration?
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
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immigration?
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The Queen is equivalent to the pope due to her ancestor, Henry VIII,
in her power over the Church Of England and is a holy and just person
and should be worshipped by the British depite ordering Diana to be
killed by MI5 for consorting with a muslim.
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David Webb
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Enoch Powell was right to oppos the Pope's visit to England. As someone who
disputes the Queen's governorship of the CofE, he has no place in England.
The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
disputes the Queen's governorship of the CofE, he has no place in England.
The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message news:74.4cf8bc02.2f39e5b1@aol.com...
Ahem! It seems painstakingly obvious. The popes official crown is a three
tiered one, ergo he is above all temporal suzerains as they only wear one
tier.
The format for instance, when he visits England, is that as a 'lay'
monarch
he outranks the Queen - she therefore genuflects before him. It would be
the
same for the Holy Roman Emperor, He outranks him.
This was patiently explained to me by Anthony Wagner many years ago.
regards
Peter ( de loriol)
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David Webb
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
No. Roman CAtholics bow before saints and bits of clay and wood. The Church
of England is Catholic - AngloCAtholic.
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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of England is Catholic - AngloCAtholic.
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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Peter Stewart wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uB8Od.190$Df3.3085@eagle.america.net...
Let's see a credible, authoritative source -- with citation and full
quotation -- that Queen Elizabeth II GENUFLECTS to the POPE.
She doesn't - that can be plainly seen on TV footage of their various
meetings, both in London and Rome.
Wagner was wrong about this. As to non-temporal authority, The queen
claims
to be the supreme governor of the Church in England, and the pope to be
the
vicar of Christ on earth. In temporal matters, precedence amongst
sovereigns
is determined by their order of accession, so that Elizabeth II
"outranks"
John Paul II by many years. But of course neither of them would dream of
genuflecting to the other over this.
Peter Stewart
Not only that, but a Catholic genuflects before God, and thus to the
Pope as God's earthly representative. The Queen is not Catholic.
Renia
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David Webb
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
I don't know about genuflecting before the Pope, but the Queen kisses the
prime minister's arse on a regular basis!!
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message news:97.58af3704.2f3a6c5d@aol.com...
prime minister's arse on a regular basis!!
<PDeloriol@aol.com> wrote in message news:97.58af3704.2f3a6c5d@aol.com...
You mis-read my message.....He is triple crowned as a temporal ruler, and
therefore outranks all monarchs!
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Peter Stewart
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
David Webb wrote:
What has jurisdiction got to do with paying a visit? By this standard
the queen should confine her travels to the United Kingdom & the
Commonwealth nations of which she is still head of state. Is it
ill-mannered on her part to go to the USA when invited (as of course
the pope was to England, by HERSELF)? or to the Vatican, with her rival
claim to authority over a part of the Catholic Church, when invited
there by HIM?
Perhaps an Englishman should remember that when his countrymen rid
themselves of King James II, he was welcomed at the court of King Louis
XIV despite maintaining his rival claim to be king of France.
Peter Stewart
Enoch Powell was right to oppos the Pope's visit to England. As
someone who disputes the Queen's governorship of the CofE, he
has no place in England. The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction
in this Realm of England.
What has jurisdiction got to do with paying a visit? By this standard
the queen should confine her travels to the United Kingdom & the
Commonwealth nations of which she is still head of state. Is it
ill-mannered on her part to go to the USA when invited (as of course
the pope was to England, by HERSELF)? or to the Vatican, with her rival
claim to authority over a part of the Catholic Church, when invited
there by HIM?
Perhaps an Englishman should remember that when his countrymen rid
themselves of King James II, he was welcomed at the court of King Louis
XIV despite maintaining his rival claim to be king of France.
Peter Stewart
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Matthew Rockefeller
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
First, she isn't a legitimate descendant of Henry VIII, though she may
be a descendant through illegitimate issue, but I'd have to double
check that before I wrote it. I'm a descendant through his illegitimate
daughter by Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn.
Second, she shouldn't be "worshipped", just as Catholics don't
"worship" the Pope. He is venerated, because in their religion he is
God's representative on earth, called the Vicar of Christ. I'm not a
Catholic, but because of his position in the Catholic hierarchy, and as
a successor to the Apostles, I acknowledge him as a person worthy of
great honor.
Third, you do in a sense have a point, because the kings of England
were venerated and considered as having at least healing powers. I've
read that my ancestor, Charles II, was the last though to publically
heal people, which was considered a power he had, granted by God. Does
anyone have further information on kings after Charles II healing
people? Perhaps, James II at least?
For anyone interested you can find a picture here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands
of Charles II performing "the divine touch". That page says Queen Anne
was the last to proclaim to have the ability to heal, but I am not sure
that she publically used the ability. Although, I could see Bonnie
Prince Charlie using the ability to assure his royal status, I have not
read about his use of the ability either.
Matthew
be a descendant through illegitimate issue, but I'd have to double
check that before I wrote it. I'm a descendant through his illegitimate
daughter by Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn.
Second, she shouldn't be "worshipped", just as Catholics don't
"worship" the Pope. He is venerated, because in their religion he is
God's representative on earth, called the Vicar of Christ. I'm not a
Catholic, but because of his position in the Catholic hierarchy, and as
a successor to the Apostles, I acknowledge him as a person worthy of
great honor.
Third, you do in a sense have a point, because the kings of England
were venerated and considered as having at least healing powers. I've
read that my ancestor, Charles II, was the last though to publically
heal people, which was considered a power he had, granted by God. Does
anyone have further information on kings after Charles II healing
people? Perhaps, James II at least?
For anyone interested you can find a picture here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands
of Charles II performing "the divine touch". That page says Queen Anne
was the last to proclaim to have the ability to heal, but I am not sure
that she publically used the ability. Although, I could see Bonnie
Prince Charlie using the ability to assure his royal status, I have not
read about his use of the ability either.
Matthew
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Tony Hoskins
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
"Matthew Rockefeller" <matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com> 02/09/05
03:17PM
I'm a descendant through his illegitimate
daughter by Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn.
--
Dear Mr. Rockefeller:
I am the author of "Mary Boleyn's Carey Children: Offspring of King
Henry VIII?" The Genealogists' Magazine (London), Vol. 25 (March
1997.)
I am gathering lineages of Americans descended for Mary Boleyn's Carey
offspring. I would be glad to include your own, if you would kindly
supply it to me.
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
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Douglas Richardson royala
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Dear Tony ~
Do you know if there any efforts being made to test the remains of King
Henry VIII and the two Carey children to see if King Henry was their
father? I would think this would be an interesting case to use modern
genetic research techniques to prove or disprove paternity. By the
way, I really enjoyed your article on the Carey children. It was
extremely well written. Are there plans for more articles?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
Do you know if there any efforts being made to test the remains of King
Henry VIII and the two Carey children to see if King Henry was their
father? I would think this would be an interesting case to use modern
genetic research techniques to prove or disprove paternity. By the
way, I really enjoyed your article on the Carey children. It was
extremely well written. Are there plans for more articles?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
"Matthew Rockefeller" <matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com> 02/09/05
03:17PM
I'm a descendant through his illegitimate
daughter by Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn.
--
Dear Mr. Rockefeller:
I am the author of "Mary Boleyn's Carey Children: Offspring of King
Henry VIII?" The Genealogists' Magazine (London), Vol. 25 (March
1997.)
I am gathering lineages of Americans descended for Mary Boleyn's
Carey
offspring. I would be glad to include your own, if you would kindly
supply it to me.
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562
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Matthew Rockefeller
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
No problem Mr Hoskins, I would be glad to. I would need to type up the
descent, with as many dates as I can find for you, as I don't have that
done yet. I'll put that on my project list and contact you as soon as I
can gather all the appropriate information. I don't think many people
in the genealogy world know of John D. Rockefeller's descent from Henry
VIII, and of course his siblings as well.
Matthew
descent, with as many dates as I can find for you, as I don't have that
done yet. I'll put that on my project list and contact you as soon as I
can gather all the appropriate information. I don't think many people
in the genealogy world know of John D. Rockefeller's descent from Henry
VIII, and of course his siblings as well.
Matthew
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Gjest
Re: Queen Elizabeth II & The Holy Father
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good point. If they (RCC) were the only
Catholics, there would be no widespread
use of "Roman" before the word "Catholic."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good point. If they (RCC) were the only
Catholics, there would be no widespread
use of "Roman" before the word "Catholic."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Gjest
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Matthew, would you post it? I would like to see it, too, and there are
probably others who would be interested. Thanks, Bronwen
probably others who would be interested. Thanks, Bronwen
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Don Stone
Re: The Queen of England is equivalent to the pope
Tony Hoskins wrote:
From Notable Kin: Tycoons, New England, and Kings, Part I, by Gary Boyd
Roberts (NEHGS Nexus, Volume 4 - 1987):
3. JOHN DAVISON ROCKEFELLER, 1839-1937, & WILLIAM ROCKEFELLER, 1841-1922,
brothers; William Avery Rockefeller & Eliza Davison; Godfrey Rockefeller &
Lucy Avery; Miles Avery & Malinda Pixley; Solomon Avery & Hannah Punderson;
Humphrey Avery & Jerusha Morgan; Samuel Avery & Susannah Palmes; William
Palmes & Anne Humphrey; John Humphrey & Elizabeth Pelham; Herbert Pelham &
Hon. Elizabeth West; Thomas West, 2nd Baron Delaware (de La Warr) & Anne
Knollys; Sir Francis Knollys & Catherine Cary; William Cary & Lady Mary
Boleyn, sister of Queen Anne Boleyn & aunt of Queen Elizabeth I.
-- Don Stone
"Matthew Rockefeller" <matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com> wrote
I'm a descendant through his illegitimate
daughter by Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne Boleyn.
--
Dear Mr. Rockefeller:
I am the author of "Mary Boleyn's Carey Children: Offspring of King
Henry VIII?" The Genealogists' Magazine (London), Vol. 25 (March
1997.)
I am gathering lineages of Americans descended for Mary Boleyn's Carey
offspring. I would be glad to include your own, if you would kindly
supply it to me.
Anthony Hoskins
From Notable Kin: Tycoons, New England, and Kings, Part I, by Gary Boyd
Roberts (NEHGS Nexus, Volume 4 - 1987):
3. JOHN DAVISON ROCKEFELLER, 1839-1937, & WILLIAM ROCKEFELLER, 1841-1922,
brothers; William Avery Rockefeller & Eliza Davison; Godfrey Rockefeller &
Lucy Avery; Miles Avery & Malinda Pixley; Solomon Avery & Hannah Punderson;
Humphrey Avery & Jerusha Morgan; Samuel Avery & Susannah Palmes; William
Palmes & Anne Humphrey; John Humphrey & Elizabeth Pelham; Herbert Pelham &
Hon. Elizabeth West; Thomas West, 2nd Baron Delaware (de La Warr) & Anne
Knollys; Sir Francis Knollys & Catherine Cary; William Cary & Lady Mary
Boleyn, sister of Queen Anne Boleyn & aunt of Queen Elizabeth I.
-- Don Stone