In my database, Edward Neville, Baron Abergavenny (1417-1476) shows with the
following Magna Charta Surety ancestors:
Roger Bigod
Hugh Bigod
Henry de Bohun
Richard de Clare
Gilbert de Clare
John FitzRobert
John de Lacy (Lacie)
Robert de Vere
William de Mowbray
Saher de Quincey
Interestingly, Edward Neville's daughter, Margaret, married John Brooke,
Lord Cobham. John Brooke's maternal grandmother, depending on authority cited,
was either Margaret de Roos or Eleanor Holland. Douglas Richardson has
provided compelling evidence in support of Margaret de Roos as the grandmother.
Through Margaret I think there at least two more (possibly three) sureties:
William D'Aubigny, Lord of Belvoir (11-46-1236)
Robert "Furfan" de Roos (1177-1226)
William Malet of Curry Malet is a probable though possibly not proven
ancestor of this line. The combination gives the combined Neville and Brooke lines
twelve or thirteen surety ancestors of the seventeen known to have issue.
Hope this helps.
Lee Denham
_dnhmarion@aol.com_ (mailto:dnhmarion@aol.com)
In message of 3 Feb, LeBateman@att.net ("Le Bateman") wrote:
What are the Magna Charta Sureties descent to the Neville Line?
Let's try Richard Neville the Kingmaker? He is descended, I believe,
from these sureties:
Bigod, Hugh
Bigod, Roger
Clare, Gilbert de
Clare, Richard de
FitzRobert, John
Lacy, John de
Quency, Saher IV de
Vere, Robert de
And their line of descent to Charlemagne.
Rich: Neville is descended from Edward III who is descended from
Charlemagne. (I don't think any Nevilles descend _to_ Charlemagne.)
According to The First Edition of the Plantagenet Ancestry they are
descended from both. Is this from the paternal or maternal lines?
None of the lines are exclusively Neville (males) so all of them must
include maternal elements.
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