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sassanid again

Legg inn av jlsoler » 03 feb 2005 17:45:34

Manuel BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' (I) BAGRATUNI (505? - ?)
/ -- Manuel BAGRATUNI (525? - ?)
/ -- Smbat (IV; II) Xosrov Shum BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' Jawitean Xosrov BAGRATUNI
| \ / -- Bakur II (IV; King) of IBERIA + ==&=> [ 146 ,,d,&]
| | / -- (NN) of IBERIA
| | / -- Parsman VI (King) of IBERIA
/ \ -- daughter of Parsman VI



can we look this mariage of varaz probable

thx

jl

Paul K Davis

RE: sassanid again

Legg inn av Paul K Davis » 05 feb 2005 00:01:21

I had independently noted a claimed marriage between Varaz-Tiros
Bagratuni and a daughter of Parsman of Iberia. I believe it was in one of
David Hughes' offerings. I checked the Georgian Chronicles and found no
mention of it. I would like whoever the source of this claim is, if they
are watching the GenMed postings, to supply their source. Thanks.

-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]


[Original Message]
From: jlsoler <zglorg@wanadoo.fr
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Date: 2/3/2005 9:00:26 AM
Subject: sassanid again

Manuel BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' (I) BAGRATUNI (505? - ?)
/ -- Manuel BAGRATUNI (525? - ?)
/ -- Smbat (IV; II) Xosrov Shum BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' Jawitean Xosrov BAGRATUNI
| \ / -- Bakur II (IV; King) of IBERIA + ==&=> [ 146
,,d,&]
| | / -- (NN) of IBERIA
| | / -- Parsman VI (King) of IBERIA
/ \ -- daughter of Parsman VI



can we look this mariage of varaz probable

thx

jl

Paul K Davis

RE: sassanid again

Legg inn av Paul K Davis » 05 feb 2005 04:01:02

I have found the item I referred to in an earlier response to this post.

On 3 Mar 2004 David Hughes posted to "alt.talk.royalty" a message titled
"another gateway: India to Britain". In this post he includes:
"32. Parsman VI, King of Iberia 561-xxx [alternate dates: 542-557]
"33. dau [sis of Bakur III [V]]
" = Smbat IV/II, prince of Bagratids, governor of Armenia xxx-616
"34. Varaz-Tirots II, prince/governor 628-631 & 643"

I checked the Georgian Chronicles [translation by Robert W. Thomson,
1996] in the Stanford library [call # DK675.2K37R48] and found Parsman and
Bakur, but no reference to a daughter of Parsman marrying a Smbat or a
Bagratid. I have found Smbat and Varaz-Tirots in various secondary
sources, but again no reference to Varaz-Tirots' mother or Smbat's wife.

I would be interested if David Hughes, or anyone who may know, would
post the historical source for this daughter/wife/mother and the marriage.

Thanks.

-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]


[Original Message]
From: jlsoler <zglorg@wanadoo.fr
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Date: 2/3/2005 9:00:26 AM
Subject: sassanid again

Manuel BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' (I) BAGRATUNI (505? - ?)
/ -- Manuel BAGRATUNI (525? - ?)
/ -- Smbat (IV; II) Xosrov Shum BAGRATUNI
/ -- Varaz-Tiroc' Jawitean Xosrov BAGRATUNI
| \ / -- Bakur II (IV; King) of IBERIA + ==&=> [ 146
,,d,&]
| | / -- (NN) of IBERIA
| | / -- Parsman VI (King) of IBERIA
/ \ -- daughter of Parsman VI



can we look this mariage of varaz probable

thx

jl

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