Another Muhammad

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David Hopkins

Another Muhammad

Legg inn av David Hopkins » 03 feb 2005 02:06:34

Thanks for your work.

It appears you are right with the > 6 unamed of Cerdanya b. ABT 731 m.
Sigebert V (Comte de Razes) b. ABT
695 d. 768

part. I have found no documentation

I knon down to generation 4 to be correct, so I check out 5, and this
is also correct. So it's just generation 6. I will look for more
descendant of 5 and post any findings.

I will not post where the line was going as you have proved it to be
false. I will give you a summary though. it comes out at William II
Malet (Lord of Curry Malet), moves down to Sir John de Beauchamp (Lord
of Hache), on to the Petley family of Downe, Bromley, Kent, England.
From there it goes into the Manning family of Downe. I then have two
branches, one to the Bush family of George Bush, the other goes to
former Secretary of Treasury, Charles Foster and former Secretary of
War, William Crowninshield Endicott.

Out of interest does anyone know of any reliable lines that tie into
people who lived before 0 AD? I have historical lines for people from
the middle east that go right back to Yang Chung (Duke of Sui) *about
500, Liu Tsugu of Liang *about 350, possible line back to Chandragupta
I, grandfather of the founder of the Gupta Empire in what is now
India, another possible line back to Kujula Kadphises (1st King of the
Kushans) *about 10 AD, Mithridates IV (King of Parthia) *d. 147 AD,
and Sassan (King of Persis) *about 150.

Like many of you I have come across many lines back to Egypt and what
bot, but none have proved to be historical

David

PS: if you are interested I can post the possible Gupta and Kushan
connections.

Don Stone

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Don Stone » 03 feb 2005 02:50:24

David Hopkins wrote:
[snip]
I will not post where the line was going as you have proved it to be
false. I will give you a summary though. it comes out at William II
Malet (Lord of Curry Malet), moves down to Sir John de Beauchamp (Lord
of Hache), on to the Petley family of Downe, Bromley, Kent, England.

These Petleys (and the Mannings) are covered in John Brooks Threlfall, _The
Ancestry of Reverend Henry Whitfield and his Wife Dorothy Sheafe_, 1989.
However, I can't see a connection with Sir John de Beauchamp of Hache.

-- Don Stone

norenxaq

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av norenxaq » 03 feb 2005 06:20:03

Out of interest does anyone know of any reliable lines that tie into
people who lived before 0 AD? I have historical lines for people from
the middle east that go right back to Yang Chung (Duke of Sui) *about
500, Liu Tsugu of Liang *about 350, possible line back to Chandragupta
I, grandfather of the founder of the Gupta Empire in what is now
India, another possible line back to Kujula Kadphises (1st King of the
Kushans) *about 10 AD, Mithridates IV (King of Parthia) *d. 147 AD,
and Sassan (King of Persis) *about 150.

Like many of you I have come across many lines back to Egypt and what
bot, but none have proved to be historical

David

PS: if you are interested I can post the possible Gupta and Kushan
connections.

Hello:

I would be interested in these as well as the Liang and Sui lineages

thank-you

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 03 feb 2005 07:11:40

David Hopkins wrote:
Thanks for your work.

It appears you are right with the > 6 unamed of Cerdanya b. ABT 731 m.
Sigebert V (Comte de Razes) b. ABT

695 d. 768


part. I have found no documentation

I knon down to generation 4 to be correct, so I check out 5, and this
is also correct. So it's just generation 6. I will look for more
descendant of 5 and post any findings.

Just to clarify, I was specifically questioning gen. 6, not 1-5.

I will not post where the line was going as you have proved it to be
false.

The thing is, the last generation of what you posted was in
error, so there may be additional problems in the subsequent
generations. The other reason I suggested posting later
generations is that there may be alternative routes to some of
the people in the descent you posted, depending on who is further
down the tree (others, such as William Clito, have no known
descendants).

I will give you a summary though. it comes out at William II
Malet (Lord of Curry Malet),

This is what I was talking about - you ended with Mortimer of
Wigmore, headed for the Malets, yet I am unaware of a connection
between the two families.

moves down to Sir John de Beauchamp (Lord
of Hache), on to the Petley family of Downe, Bromley, Kent, England.
From there it goes into the Manning family of Downe. I then have two
branches, one to the Bush family of George Bush, the other goes to
former Secretary of Treasury, Charles Foster and former Secretary of
War, William Crowninshield Endicott.

Matthew Rockefeller

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Matthew Rockefeller » 03 feb 2005 08:36:32

Interesting descent David, good researching. I'm not fully familiar
with the Sigebert, Count of Razes connection, but the counts of Razes
are far more historical than people give them credit for, with evidence
for them to be found on inscriptions and what not, that are mentioned
in the archives. I'm always interested to see descents down to
Presidents and other important figures.

On a couple notes I am familiar with most of the descent lines you
mentioned. As I am myself a descendant of Liu Tsugu, and the others.
Sassan was not a king of Persis, his son Papak was from 211 to approx.
215 when was succeeded by his son Shahpur who was then succeeded in 220
by Ardashir I. Sassan was a high priest in the fire temple, a
Zoroastrian, and the son of Wehafrid, who traced his ancestry back to
the Achaemenids.

I've made a few updates and additions to my Sassanid pedigree, and I'll
be posting the updated version shortly. At the current time I am
tracing various ancestors of Yezdegerd III.

Yezdegerd III, through the Indian wife of Bahram V, was a descendant
from a first cousin of the Buddha, if I'm not mistaken. I'm wondering
if there is any connection with Krishna. I haven't found any yet, but I
haven't been looking. A powerful line of kings were descended from
Krishna I've read, but whether or not they married into the Gupta
Emperors is unknown to me, but it's certainly not beyond the realm of
possibility, and I would even venture to call it probable, but whether
or not it can be traced is another story.

Matthew

David Hopkins wrote:
Thanks for your work.

It appears you are right with the > 6 unamed of Cerdanya b. ABT 731
m.
Sigebert V (Comte de Razes) b. ABT
695 d. 768

part. I have found no documentation

I knon down to generation 4 to be correct, so I check out 5, and this
is also correct. So it's just generation 6. I will look for more
descendant of 5 and post any findings.

I will not post where the line was going as you have proved it to be
false. I will give you a summary though. it comes out at William II
Malet (Lord of Curry Malet), moves down to Sir John de Beauchamp
(Lord
of Hache), on to the Petley family of Downe, Bromley, Kent, England.
From there it goes into the Manning family of Downe. I then have two
branches, one to the Bush family of George Bush, the other goes to
former Secretary of Treasury, Charles Foster and former Secretary of
War, William Crowninshield Endicott.

Out of interest does anyone know of any reliable lines that tie into
people who lived before 0 AD? I have historical lines for people from
the middle east that go right back to Yang Chung (Duke of Sui) *about
500, Liu Tsugu of Liang *about 350, possible line back to
Chandragupta
I, grandfather of the founder of the Gupta Empire in what is now
India, another possible line back to Kujula Kadphises (1st King of
the
Kushans) *about 10 AD, Mithridates IV (King of Parthia) *d. 147 AD,
and Sassan (King of Persis) *about 150.

Like many of you I have come across many lines back to Egypt and what
bot, but none have proved to be historical

David

PS: if you are interested I can post the possible Gupta and Kushan
connections.

Andrew S. Kalinkin

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Andrew S. Kalinkin » 03 feb 2005 10:09:34

David Hopkins wrote:
I knon down to generation 4 to be correct, so I check out 5, and this
is also correct. So it's just generation 6. I will look for more
descendant of 5 and post any findings.
What evidence you have for connections 2 -> 3 and 3 -> 4 ?


Andrew

Chris Phillips

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 03 feb 2005 10:18:37

Matthew Rockefeller wrote:
I'm not fully familiar
with the Sigebert, Count of Razes connection, but the counts of Razes
are far more historical than people give them credit for, with evidence
for them to be found on inscriptions and what not, that are mentioned
in the archives.

There's only one "count of Razes" mentioned in the line of descent that was
posted - "Sigebert V (Comte de Razes) b. ABT 695 d. 768".

This individual appears in the modern (forged) "Rennes le chateau"
pedigrees, but as far as I know he is completely fictitious. I certainly
don't remember any evidence for his existence being mentioned in previous
discussions on this newsgroup. If you know of any, I'd be interested to hear
about it.

Chris Phillips

norenxaq

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av norenxaq » 03 feb 2005 16:51:01


Yezdegerd III, through the Indian wife of Bahram V, was a descendant
from a first cousin of the Buddha, if I'm not mistaken. I'm wondering
if there is any connection with Krishna. I haven't found any yet, but I
haven't been looking. A powerful line of kings were descended from
Krishna I've read, but whether or not they married into the Gupta
Emperors is unknown to me, but it's certainly not beyond the realm of
possibility, and I would even venture to call it probable, but whether
or not it can be traced is another story.

Matthew


Hello:

Please provide a lineage from Buddha's family to the Sassanids. Buddha'
family was considered a branch of the Solar Dynasty, which also included
Krishna, if you are refering to the person of that name who appears in the
Mahabharata and was a diety. As for the Guptas, unlikely unless Chandra
Gupta's Licchavi wife's lineage can be tied in as well. Something I have
serious doubts as to whether that is possible

thank-you

David Hopkins

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av David Hopkins » 04 feb 2005 20:22:33

For those interested in where I had this line going here it is:

Sources: Genealogical Gleanings in England by Henry F. Waters
Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the
United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists
It is also listed in the IGI

1 Maud Longespic of Normandy b. ABT 1118 Normandy, France
m. William de Mortimer (Lord of Wigmore) b. ABT 1090 Wigmore, Ludlow,
Herefordshire, England
2 Maud de Mortimer b. ABT 1134 Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England
m. William II Malet (Lord of Curry Malet) b. ABT 1125 Curry Mallet,
Langport, Somerset, England d. 1169 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England
3 Gilbert Malet (Lord of Curry Malet) b. ABT 1152 Curry Mallet,
Langport, Somerset, England d. ABT 1194 Shepton Mallet, Somerset,
England
m. Alice de Picot b. ABT 1154 Milton, Gravesend, Kent, England
4 William III Malet (Lord of Curry Malet) b. ABT 1170 Curry Mallet,
Langport, Somerset, England d. ABT 1216 Shepton Mallet, Somerset,
England
5 Mabel Malet b. ABT 1194 Curry Mallet, Langport, Somerset, England
m. Hugh de Vivonia (Lord of Chewton) b. 1195 Chewton Mendip, Wells,
Somerset, England
6 William de Fortibus (Lord of Chewton) b. ABT 1225 Poitou,
Albermarle, France d. ABT 1255 Chewton Mendip, Wells, Somerset,
England
m. Maud de Ferrers b. ABT 1230 Derby, Derbyshire, England d. ABT 1299
7 Cicely de Vivonia b. ABT 1253 Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset,
England d. ABT 1320 Stoke sub Hamdon, Somerset, England
m. Sir John de Beauchamp (Lord of Hache) b. ABT 1245 Hatch Beauchamp,
Taunton, Somerset, England d. 24 Oct 1283 Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton,
Somerset, England
8 Alice de Beauchamp b. ABT 1280 Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset,
England
m. Ralph Arden b. ABT 1272 Drayton, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
9 Ralph Arden b. ABT 1298 Park Hall, Warwickshire, England
m. Isabel de Bromwich b. ABT 1315 Castle Bromwich, Warwickshire,
England
10 Sir Henry Arden b. ABT 1346 Park Hall, Warwickshire, England d.
1400
11 Nicholas Arden b. ABT 1370 Park Hall, Warwickshire, England
12 Alice Arden b. ABT 1396 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. James Brampton b. ABT 1392 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
13 Alice Brampton b. ABT 1424 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. John Petley b. ABT 1420 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. 1467
Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
14 John Petley b. ABT 1465 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. 1 Oct 1520
Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. Christiana Philipott b. ABT 1469 Philipotts, Tunbridge, Kent,
England
15 Agnes Petley b. ABT 1502 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. John Manning b. ABT 1470 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. 10 May
1542 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
16 George Manning b. 1520 St Cray, Kent, England d. 8 May 1582 Downe,
Bromley, Kent, England
m. Joan Wallis b. 1524 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. 5 Jun 1582
Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
17 Phebe Manning b. ABT 1566 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. ABT 1642
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. James Waters b. 1572 St Botolph, Aldersgate, Middlesex, London,
England d. 2 Feb 1617 London, Middlesex, England
18 Richard Waters b. 3 Mar 1604 St Botolph, Aldersgate, Middlesex,
London, England d. 16 Jun 1676 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Joyce Plaise b. ABT 1616 St Botolph, Aldersgate, Middlesex, London,
England d. ABT 1687 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
19 Susannah Waters b. 1 Feb 1649 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 21 Dec
1726 Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Benedict Pulsifer b. ABT 1639 England d. 10 Apr 1695 Ipswich,
Essex, Massachusetts
20 Richard Pulsifer b. 31 May 1675 Ipswich, Suffolk, England d. 25 Mar
1728 Douglas, Worcester, Massachusetts
21 Willaim Pulsifer b. 29 May 1705 Douglas, Worcester, Massachusetts
d. 25 May 1782 Douglas, Worcester, Massachusetts
m. Mary Lovell b. 23 May 1708 Douglas, Worcester, Massachusetts
22 Elizabeth Pulcepher b. 21 Jun 1731 Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts d.
4 Sep 1816 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts
m. Daniel Hill b. 4 Dec 1724 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts d. ABT
1768 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts
23 Daniel Hill b. 27 Sep 1755 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts d. 28
May 1814 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts
m. Mercy Hayward b. 16 May 1756 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts d. 21
Oct 1822 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts
24 Mercy Hill b. 1780 Mendon, Worcester, Massachusetts d. 2 Dec 1856
Swanzey, Cheshire, New Hampshire
m. John Holbrook b. 12 Sep 1778 Uxbridge, Worcester, Massachusetts d.
7 May 1838 Swanzey, Cheshire, New Hampshire
25 Chloe Holbrook b. 20 Mar 1816 Swanzey, Cheshire, New Hampshire d.
16 Aug 1886 Mercer, Mercer, Pennsylvania
m. James Pierce Jr. b. 24 Sep 1810 Swanzey, Cheshire, New Hampshire d.
2 Dec 1874 Sharpsburg, Mercer, Pennsylvania
26 Jonas James Pierce b. 23 Sep 1839 Swanzey, Cheshire, New Hampshire
d. 3 Mar 1913 Sharpsburg, Mercer, Pennsylvania
m. Kate Pritzel b. 19 Dec 1841 Zweizel, Baden, Germany
27 Scott Pierce b. 18 Jan 1866 Sparkville, Pennsylvania
m. Mabel Marvin b. 4 Jun 1869 Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio
28 Marvin Pierce b. 17 Jun 1893 Sharpsville, Mercer, Pennsylvania d.
11 Jul 1969
m. Pauline Robinson b. 1896 d. 23 Sep 1949 Rye, Westchester, New York
29 Barbara Pierce b. 8 Jun 1925 Rye, Westchester, New York
m. George Herbert Walker Bush b. 12 Jun 1924 Milton, Norfolk,
Massachusetts
30 George Walker Bush b. 6 Jul 1946 New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut
(President)
30 Pauline Robinson Bush b. 20 Dec 1949 Midland, Midland, Texas d. 11
Oct 1953 New York City, New York, New York
30 John Ellis Bush b. 11 Feb 1952 Midland, Midland, Texas
m. Columba Garnica Gallo b. 17 Aug 1953 Leon, Guanajato, Mexico
30 Neil Mallon Bush b. 22 Jan 1955 Midland, Midland, Texas
30 Marvin Pierce Bush b. 22 Oct 1956
30 Dorothy Walker Bush Bush
16 Margaret Manning b. ABT 1534 Great, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d.
Great, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
m. John Felton b. ABT 1534 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d. 11 Mar
1601 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
17 John Felton b. 4 Aug 1560 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d. ABT
1628 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
m. Judith Damrell b. ABT 1564 Lowestaft, Suffolk, England
18 John Felton b. 3 Jan 1584 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d. 16
Mar 1627 Great, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
m. Ellen Thrower b. 4 Aug 1588 Warwickshire, England d. ABT 1645
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
19 Nathaniel Felton b. 10 Mar 1615 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d.
30 Jul 1705 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Mary Skelton b. 28 Jun 1627 Tattersall, Lincolnshire, England d. 8
May 1701 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
20 Nathaniel Felton b. 15 Aug 1655 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1733
South Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Anne Horne b. ABT 1659 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
21 Skelton Felton b. 6 Nov 1681 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 18 Apr
1749 Rutland, Worcester, Massachusetts
m. Hephzibah Sheldon b. ABT 1675 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
22 Lydia Felton b. 28 Dec 1712 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1793
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Ebenezer Foster b. 23 Aug 1710 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1769
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
23 Ebenezer Foster b. 25 May 1734 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 19
Mar 1811 Oakham, Worcester, Massachusetts
m. Hannah Parlin b. 24 Jan 1740 Concord, Middlesex, Massachusetts d.
28 Feb 1808 Oakham, Worcester, Massachusetts
24 William Foster b. 8 May 1774 Oakham, Worcester, Massachusetts d.
1828 Chili, Monroe, New York
m. Betsey Nichols b. ABT 1774 Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusetts
25 Charles Foster b. 21 Nov 1800 Brookfield, Worcester, Massachusetts
d. 1833
m. Laura Crocker b. 8 Mar 1803 Tiffin, Seneca, Ohio d. 1898
26 Charles Foster b. 12 Apr 1828 Tiffin, Seneca, Ohio d. 9 Jan 1904
Springfield, Clark, Ohio (Secretary of the Treasury)
20 Hannah Felton b. 20 Jun 1663 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1737
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Samuel Endicott b. 1659 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1694 Salem,
Essex, Massachusetts
21 Samuel Endicott b. 30 Aug 1687 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts d.
1766 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Anne Endicott b. 1693 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1723
Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts
22 John Endicott b. 29 Apr 1713 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Elizabeths Jacob b. 27 Sep 1719 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts d.
1809
23 John Endicott b. 1739 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 4 Mar 1816
m. Martha Putman b. ABT 1741 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1821
24 Samuel Endicott b. 1763 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts d. 1 May 1828
Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
m. Elizabeth Putman b. 25 Mar 1764 Danvers, Essex, Massachusetts d. 9
Nov 1841
25 William Putnam Endicott b. 5 Mar 1803 Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
d. 11 Mar 1888
m. Mary Crownshield d. 12 Mar 1838
26 William Crowninshield Endicott b. 19 Nov 1826 Salem, Essex,
Massachusetts d. 6 May 1900 Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts (Secretary
of War)

For the lines I have back to ancient times:

These all come through Shahr Banu, Princess of Persia (spelt many
different way) who married Husayn ibn Ali.

This is Using the Cambridge History of Iran and Wordsworth Handbook of
Kings and Quuens, Bartley Encyclopedia, and Who's Who of the Ancient
World.

1 Vologases IV (King of Parthia) b. ABT 115 Parthian Empire d. 191
Parthian Empire
2 Vologases V (King of Parthia) b. ABT 145 Parthian Empire d. 208
Parthian Empire
3 Artabanus V (King of Parthia) b. ABT 175 Parthian Empire d. 224
Battle of Hormuzdagan, Parthian Empire
4 Ziyanak Aršakuni of Parthia b. ABT 205 Parthia
m. Ardashir I (King of Persia) b. ABT 200 Sasanian Empire d. 240
Sasanian Empire
5 Shapur I (King of Persia) b. ABT 225 Sasanian Empire d. 272 Sasanian
Empire
6 Narseh (King of Persia) b. ABT 250 Sasanian Empire d. 303 Sasanian
Empire
7 Hormizd II (King of Persia) b. ABT 275 Sasanian Empire d. 309
Sasanian Empire
m. Ifra Homiz of Seistan b. ABT 275 Seistan, Kushan Empire
8 Shapur II (King of Persia) b. ABT 309 Sasanian Empire d. 379
Sasanian Empire
m. Sithil-Horak of the Kushans b. ABT 310 Kabul, Kushan Empire
9 Shapur III (King of Persia) b. ABT 335 Sasanian Empire d. 388
Sasanian Empire
10 Yazdegerd I (King of Persia) b. ABT 365 Sasanian Empire d. 420
Sasanian Empire
11 Bahram V (King of Persia) b. ABT 390 Sasanian Empire d. 439
Sasanian Empire
m. Sapinud of Gupta b. ABT 390 Gupta, India
12 Yazdegerd II (King of Persia) b. ABT 420 Sasanian Empire d. 457
Sasanian Empire
m. Dinak of Armenia b. ABT 420 Armenia
13 Peroz I (King of Persia) b. ABT 440 Sasanian Empire d. 484 Sasanian
Empire
14 Kavadh I (King of Persia) b. ABT 465 Sasanian Empire d. 13 Sep 531
Sasanian Empire
15 Khosrau I (King of Persia) b. ABT 510 Sasanian Empire d. 571
Sasanian Empire
16 Hormazd IV (King of Persia) b. ABT 545 Sasanian Empire d. 590
Sasanian Empire
17 Khosrau II (King of Persia) b. ABT 560 Sasanian Empire d. 628
Ctesiphon Palace, Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
m. Shirin of the Turks b. ABT 565 Turkey d. 628 Ctesiphon Palace,
Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
18 Shahryar of Persia b. ABT 585 Sasanian Empire
19 Yazdegerd III (King of Persia) b. ABT 615 d. 651 Merv, Sasanian
Empire
m. Maria of Byzantium b. ABT 615 Byzantium
20 Shahr Banu (Princess of Persia) b. ABT 630 Sasanian Empire
m. Husayn ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib b. ABT 626 d. 10 Oct 680

I am not so sure about this:

1 Chandragupta I b. _____ d. ABT 330 India
m. Kumaradevi of Lichchavi
2 Sri Samudragupta b. _____ d. ABT 380 India
3 Vikramaditya Chandragupta II (Emperor of Gupta) b. _____ d. 413
Gupta, India
4 Kumara Gupta I (Emperor of Gupta) b. _____ d. 445 Gupta, India
5 Sapinud of Gupta b. ABT 390 Gupta, India
m. Bahram V (King of Persia) b. ABT 390 Sasanian Empire d. 439
Sasanian Empire
6 Yazdegerd II (King of Persia) b. ABT 420 Sasanian Empire d. 457
Sasanian Empire
m. Dinak of Armenia b. ABT 420 Armenia
7 Peroz I (King of Persia) b. ABT 440 Sasanian Empire d. 484 Sasanian
Empire
8 Kavadh I (King of Persia) b. ABT 465 Sasanian Empire d. 13 Sep 531
Sasanian Empire
9 Khosrau I (King of Persia) b. ABT 510 Sasanian Empire d. 571
Sasanian Empire
10 Hormazd IV (King of Persia) b. ABT 545 Sasanian Empire d. 590
Sasanian Empire
11 Khosrau II (King of Persia) b. ABT 560 Sasanian Empire d. 628
Ctesiphon Palace, Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
m. Shirin of the Turks b. ABT 565 Turkey d. 628 Ctesiphon Palace,
Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
12 Shahryar of Persia b. ABT 585 Sasanian Empire
13 Yazdegerd III (King of Persia) b. ABT 615 d. 651 Merv, Sasanian
Empire
m. Maria of Byzantium b. ABT 615 Byzantium
14 Shahr Banu (Princess of Persia) b. ABT 630 Sasanian Empire
m. Husayn ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib b. ABT 626 d. 10 Oct 680

Or this:

1 Kujula Kadphises (King of the Kushans)
2 Vima Kadphises (King of the Kushans) b. _____ about 60 Kushan Empire
d. 100 Kushan Empire
3 Kanishka I (King of the Kushans) b. BEF 100 d. 126 Kushan Empire
4 Huvishka (King of the Kushans) b. BEF 126 Kushan Empire d. 164
Kushan Empire
5 Vasudeva I (King of the Kushans) b. BEF 164 Kushan Empire d. 200
Kushan Empire
6 Kanishka II (King of the Kushans) b. ABT 150 Kushan Empire d. 222
Kushan Empire
7 Vasudeva II (King of the Kushans) b. ABT 190 Kushan Empire d. 256
Kushan Empire
8 Vasudeva III (King of the Kushans) b. ABT 220 Kushan Empire
9 Vasudeva IV (King of Seistan) b. ABT 250 Seistan, Kushan Empire
10 Ifra Homiz of Seistan b. ABT 275 Seistan, Kushan Empire
m. Hormizd II (King of Persia) b. ABT 275 Sasanian Empire d. 309
Sasanian Empire
11 Shapur II (King of Persia) b. ABT 309 Sasanian Empire d. 379
Sasanian Empire
m. Sithil-Horak of the Kushans b. ABT 310 Kabul, Kushan Empire
12 Shapur III (King of Persia) b. ABT 335 Sasanian Empire d. 388
Sasanian Empire
13 Yazdegerd I (King of Persia) b. ABT 365 Sasanian Empire d. 420
Sasanian Empire
14 Bahram V (King of Persia) b. ABT 390 Sasanian Empire d. 439
Sasanian Empire
m. Sapinud of Gupta b. ABT 390 Gupta, India
15 Yazdegerd II (King of Persia) b. ABT 420 Sasanian Empire d. 457
Sasanian Empire
m. Dinak of Armenia b. ABT 420 Armenia
16 Peroz I (King of Persia) b. ABT 440 Sasanian Empire d. 484 Sasanian
Empire
17 Kavadh I (King of Persia) b. ABT 465 Sasanian Empire d. 13 Sep 531
Sasanian Empire
18 Khosrau I (King of Persia) b. ABT 510 Sasanian Empire d. 571
Sasanian Empire
19 Hormazd IV (King of Persia) b. ABT 545 Sasanian Empire d. 590
Sasanian Empire
20 Khosrau II (King of Persia) b. ABT 560 Sasanian Empire d. 628
Ctesiphon Palace, Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
m. Shirin of the Turks b. ABT 565 Turkey d. 628 Ctesiphon Palace,
Ctesiphon, Sasanian Empire
21 Shahryar of Persia b. ABT 585 Sasanian Empire
22 Yazdegerd III (King of Persia) b. ABT 615 d. 651 Merv, Sasanian
Empire
m. Maria of Byzantium b. ABT 615 Byzantium
23 Shahr Banu (Princess of Persia) b. ABT 630 Sasanian Empire
m. Husayn ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib b. ABT 626 d. 10 Oct 680

Don Stone

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Don Stone » 05 feb 2005 00:05:12

David Hopkins wrote:
For those interested in where I had this line going here it is:
[snip]
10 Sir Henry Arden b. ABT 1346 Park Hall, Warwickshire, England d.
1400
11 Nicholas Arden b. ABT 1370 Park Hall, Warwickshire, England
12 Alice Arden b. ABT 1396 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. James Brampton b. ABT 1392 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
13 Alice Brampton b. ABT 1424 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England
m. John Petley b. ABT 1420 Downe, Bromley, Kent, England d. 1467
Downe, Bromley, Kent, England

From J. B. Threlfall's Henry Whitfield book, p. 157:

James Brampton .... married Joan _____, perhaps about 1400. She was living
in 1411, as the following Husting deed shows. However, Harleian Manuscript
1432, a pedigree chart, shows only that he married Alice Arden, daughter and
coheiress of Nicholas Arden of Shipton in Oxfordshire. Either he had
another wife, Alice, or there is an error and Joan was nee Arden.

3 October 1408 - James Brampton, son of William Brampton, lately citizen and
fishmonger, and Joan my wife, have granted to Alexander Farnell, tailor, and
Agnes his wife those lands, shops, solars, etc. which lately we had jointly
by the feoffment of William Askham, alderman, in a lane of Saint Michael's
of Crooked Lane as per a charter of 1408. (Husting Roll 136:17 [Guildhall
Library])

1 June 1411 - I, James Brampton ... have granted to Alexander Farnell, ...
my brewhouse tenement _The Lamp on the Hoop_ .... provided also that Joan my
wife, if she should survive me, shall have reasonable dower from the said
brew-house. (Court of Husting Roll 138, Item 75)

etc.

-- Don Stone

Todd A. Farmerie

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Todd A. Farmerie » 05 feb 2005 09:30:18

David Hopkins wrote:
For those interested in where I had this line going here it is:

Sources: Genealogical Gleanings in England by Henry F. Waters
Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the
United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists
It is also listed in the IGI

1 Maud Longespic of Normandy b. ABT 1118 Normandy, France
m. William de Mortimer (Lord of Wigmore) b. ABT 1090 Wigmore, Ludlow,
Herefordshire, England

As I indicated the first time around, this generation is without
foundation - I don't know that either husband or wife actually
existed.

2 Maud de Mortimer b. ABT 1134 Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England
m. William II Malet (Lord of Curry Malet) b. ABT 1125 Curry Mallet,
Langport, Somerset, England d. 1169 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England

Keats-Rohan gives him as wife Eugenia, daughter of Ralph Picot,
who following his death remarried to Thomas Fitz Bernard (ca. 1174).

3 Gilbert Malet (Lord of Curry Malet) b. ABT 1152 Curry Mallet,
Langport, Somerset, England d. ABT 1194 Shepton Mallet, Somerset,
England
m. Alice de Picot b. ABT 1154 Milton, Gravesend, Kent, England

Since it was his father who married the Picot heiress, hr must
not have.

taf

Gjest

Re: Another Muhammad

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 feb 2005 20:11:03

David Hopkins wrote:


16 Margaret Manning b. ABT 1534 Great, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d.
Great, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
m. John Felton b. ABT 1534 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England d. 11 Mar
1601 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England


Whats the basis for this Felton / Manning marriage?

I dont remember seeing any descent like this in Royal Descent of 600
Immigrants or any other such work.
You show Margaret with birth, marriage and death in Norfolk,
and yet have her parents born, married and died in Kent.

Its amazing how much false information people will accept from
the Ancestral File and similar sources.

Leslie

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