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Calendar of Patent Rolls, dating

Legg inn av Gjest » 30 jan 2005 14:21:01

Calendar of Patent Rolls, dating

The following extract from the Calendar of Patent Rolls (as posted to the Web
by Bob Boynton) is dated June 16, but no year is given. This is the first
entry on this membrane. The previous entry is dated 1441, May 18 and I have
assumed, perhaps incorrectly that this extract is also for 1441. The next entry
is shown as 1440, Oct. 18, so possibly the correct year is 1440.

However this extract includes the phrase "inquisition taken at the Guildhall
on Tuesday, 9. June last, before Stephen Broune, then mayor and escheator".
Now Stephen Browne was mayor in 17 Hy VI (1st Sept 1438-31 Aug 1439) and 27 Hy
VI (1st Sept 1448-31 Aug 1449). Furthermore I calculate that the only 9th June
falling on a Tuesday between 1436 and 1450 were 1442 and 1448?

Have I gone wrong somewhere?

Adrian

June 16. Westminster.
Whereas by an inquisition taken at the Guildhall, London, on 20 December in
the fifteenth year [ac: 1436] before John Michell, late mayor and escheator of
London, it was found that William Grome of London, 'chesemonger,' deceased,
held a brewhouse called 'le Swanne' and nine cottages in the parish of St. Giles
in the ward of 'Crepulgate' in the suburbs of London, held of the king in
free burgage, as all London is held, and that Adrian Grome was his son and heir
and of full ago, and by another inquisition taken at the Guildhall on Tuesday,
9.June last, before Stephen Broune, then mayor and escheator, it was found
that Adrian was born in Flanders of a Flemish mother likewise born there; and
afterwards at the suit of Henry Fereby, Simon Cely, John Charterys and John Pery
praying that whereas William was seised of the premises, in the time of Henry
IV without the royal licence he crossed the sea to Brigges in Flanders, which
is without the king's allegiance, and took to wife Barbara, an alien born in
that town,where they had issue, to wit Adrian, and abode there all their lives;
and after his death the premises fell to Helen, the wife of William Strynger,
as kinswoman and heir of William Grome, being daughter of William, son of
John, brother of Richard, father of William Grome, by colour whereof the said
William Strenger and Helen entered the premises and were seised thereof, and
enfeoffed the said Henry, Simon, John and John and their heirs of the same for
ever, and they were seised thereof, until by colour of the said inquisitions and
of letters patent dated 16 November last granting the premises to William
Bowyer for life they were expelled - the said letters may be annulled; the king
commanded the sheriffs of London to summon William Bowyer to appear in Chancery
on a certain day to show why the letters should not be annulled, and the
sheriffs returned that he was not found in their bailiwick, so that they could not
warn him personally, yet warned him at the tenement aforesaid by John
Carpenter and William Toucestre, and because he carne not, it was adjudged that the
letters should beannulled: - the kinghas annulled the same.
Prof. Bob Boynton; University of Iowa; Calendar of Patent Rolls; Hy 6 Vol 3;
p. 568

Chris Phillips

Re: Calendar of Patent Rolls, dating

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 30 jan 2005 15:09:02

Adrian Channing wrote:
However this extract includes the phrase "inquisition taken at the
Guildhall
on Tuesday, 9. June last, before Stephen Broune, then mayor and
escheator".
Now Stephen Browne was mayor in 17 Hy VI (1st Sept 1438-31 Aug 1439) and
27 Hy
VI (1st Sept 1448-31 Aug 1449). Furthermore I calculate that the only 9th
June
falling on a Tuesday between 1436 and 1450 were 1442 and 1448?

Have I gone wrong somewhere?

I think there's something wrong with your calculation of the years in which
9 June fell on a Tuesday.

For example, I reckon this happened in 1439. (I've checked this on a couple
of online date calculators, as well as my own calendar at
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cal/medcal.shtml)

Chris Phillips

Gjest

Re: Calendar of Patent Rolls, dating

Legg inn av Gjest » 30 jan 2005 15:51:02

In a message dated 30/01/2005 14:13:14 GMT Standard Time,
cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk writes:

Adrian Channing wrote:
However this extract includes the phrase "inquisition taken at the
Guildhall
on Tuesday, 9. June last, before Stephen Broune, then mayor and
escheator".
Now Stephen Browne was mayor in 17 Hy VI (1st Sept 1438-31 Aug 1439) and
27 Hy
VI (1st Sept 1448-31 Aug 1449). Furthermore I calculate that the only 9th
June
falling on a Tuesday between 1436 and 1450 were 1442 and 1448?

Have I gone wrong somewhere?




Chris Phillips replied

I think there's something wrong with your calculation of the years in which
9 June fell on a Tuesday.

For example, I reckon this happened in 1439. (I've checked this on a couple
of online date calculators, as well as my own calendar at
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cal/medcal.shtml)

Chris Phillips


Thanks so much for checking my calculations, you are right I did get it
wrong, I looked at the wrong column in my perpetual calendar. Recalculating, I see
that 9th June 1449 was also a Tuesday, that is both years Stephen Browne was
mayor!

Adrian

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