Ancestry of El Cid

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Francisco Antonio Doria

Ancestry of El Cid

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 26 jan 2005 11:21:01

Ana Varela, presently in Russia, was kind enough to
send the subscribers of the Portugal-Gen list a
classical paper on the ancestry of El Cid. It is in
Spanish, and in .pdf format, very handy.

Perhaps Leo - who is always so kind and generous - or
Ian Fettes would find a niche in Genealogics to make
it generally available?

All the best,

chico

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Re: Ancestry of El Cid

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jan 2005 14:30:02

Dear Chico,

Many thanks for your sharing this.

And thanks also to Ian for bringing the document to the
Genealogics 'family'.

Agradecimentos,

John

Francisco Antonio Doria

Re: Ancestry of El Cid

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 27 jan 2005 15:00:02

You are all most welcome :))

chico

--- Therav3@aol.com wrote:

Dear Chico,

Many thanks for your sharing this.

And thanks also to Ian for bringing the
document to the
Genealogics 'family'.

Agradecimentos,

John






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Re: Ancestry of El Cid

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 jan 2005 23:10:07

Dear Chico and Leo:

     Let me add my thanks !


             Best regards,  Steve

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 jan 2005 23:50:03

Ankle-biters can indeed be persistent little bastards.

But a good kick in the ribs of the little fox terriers sends them
yelping and whining for the bushes with their tails between their legs.

It's good to have the El Cid Ancestry as a PDF file -- much easier to
handle.

'Nuff Said.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...

| Thanks very much for posting it, Chico.
|
| Let's just ignore the ankle-biter.
|
| You did nothing wrong.
|
| DSH
|
| "Francisco Antonio Doria" <franciscoantoniodoria@yahoo.com.br> wrote
in
| message news:20050128154305.62930.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com...
|
| | You are certainly right. but in this case I received
| | it from a researcher by private mail. As it is
| | generally available on the web, I see no problem in
| | having it in `mirror' sites.
| |
| | Anyway, if someone feels there is some problem, I'll
| | ask Leo to withdraw it from the site, and will refrain
| | in the future to make research stuff freely available
| | to everyone - will keep mum :))
| |
| | fa
| |
| | --- p_m_stewart@msn.com wrote:
| |
| | >
| | > "Ian Fettes" wrote:
| | > > Hi Steve,
| | > >
| | > > This file is now available through Genealogics,
| | > http://www.genealogics.org
| | > as the
| | > > first item under Histories & Documents.
| | >
| | > I hope with permission from the copyright holder.
| | >
| | > This article can be accessed, along with the rest of
| | > the journal
| | > issue's contents, on the website of the University
| | > of Alicante
| | > Publications at
| | >
| | >
| | http://publicaciones.ua.es/LibrosPDF/02 ... 3%2011.pdf
| | >
| | > I think in general it is better practice to give a
| | > link to such sites
| | > rather than to copy material from them elsewhere.
| | >
| | > Peter Stewart

Peter Stewart

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 28 jan 2005 23:53:45

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vkzKd.493$6k.5496@eagle.america.net...
Ankle-biters can indeed be persistent little bastards.

But a good kick in the ribs of the little fox terriers sends them
yelping and whining for the bushes with their tails between their legs.

It's good to have the El Cid Ancestry as a PDF file -- much easier to
handle.

'Nuff Said.

It's a PDF file on the publisher's website. 'Nuff said - "Dayne" Spencer
Hines still hasn't learned when to shut up.

Petere Stewart

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 29 jan 2005 02:01:01

Hilarious!

Peter Stewart is so brain-damaged he can't even spell his own name. See
below.

Dr. Francisco Antonio Doria did us a great favor in sending the
_Ancestry of El Cid_ file to Ian Fettes who, as I recall, saw that it
was put up on Leo's website -- where we can all find it easily, download
it, study it and discuss it.

Very few of us visit obscure websites with files in Spanish.

Stewart should have the good sense to realize he is just digging a
deeper hole for himself with his silly-buggers, caustic, deranged
ankle-biting.

However, since he IS brain-damaged, I don't expect he WILL -- which
means I'll get to kick him in the arse some more....

That's fine too.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ZnzKd.138906$K7.117056@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

<baldersnip>

| Petere Stewart <sic>

Gjest

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 jan 2005 03:21:01

Dear Spencer , Peter et als,
While I agree it is pretty nice to
go to Genealogics and look up The Spanish paper relating to Don Rodrigo Diaz
de Vivar (El Cid)`s ancestry there is a lot to be said as well for knowing the
address of the however obscure (at least to We Inglesa and Inglesa Americano
speaking populace) website which theoretically would contain a number of other
important works relating the Espanola views concerning the lineages of a
variety of potential ancestors of a number of perplexing questions concerning our
Spanish ancestors. So, Thank You , Leo and Peter... and Chico for bringing the
El Cid article to this lists` attention in the first place.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 29 jan 2005 03:41:02

Good Point.

Perhaps a note to that effect could be put at Leo's site?

DSH

<Jwc1870@aol.com> wrote in message news:ee.ba46a80.2f2c4b13@aol.com...

| Dear Spencer , Peter et als,
| While I agree it is pretty
nice to
| go to Genealogics and look up The Spanish paper relating to Don
Rodrigo Diaz
| de Vivar (El Cid)`s ancestry there is a lot to be said as well for
knowing the
| address of the however obscure (at least to We Inglesa and Inglesa
Americano
| speaking populace) website which theoretically would contain a number
of other
| important works relating the Espanola views concerning the lineages of
a
| variety of potential ancestors of a number of perplexing questions
concerning our
| Spanish ancestors. So, Thank You , Leo and Peter... and Chico for
bringing the
| El Cid article to this lists` attention in the first place.
| Sincerely,
| James W Cummings
| Dixmont, Maine
USA

Peter Stewart

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 29 jan 2005 04:23:01

No Spencer, you haven't managed to kick me - once again your wild strikes
have missed the mark.

I provided a link to the PDF file on the publisher's website, just as Chico
or Ian Fettes might have done, so that people could access the file from its
authorised source.

Not long ago Spencer was telling someone here to go out & purchase CP
entire, just to get some limited information from it. Yet when HE wants
something quickly and conveniently for himself, every vestige of courtesy
flies out the window and he can't even recognise that the same thing can be
obtained by equally convenient and more proper means.

Leo generously provides the fruits of his own research on his website, and
quite rightly does not expect this to be data-mined by anyone else. I am
sure that Leo would not wish to have his site used to provide unauthorised
access to someone else's work.

Margarita Torre and/or her publisher were evidently NOT asked if her paper
could be copied and made available on Genealogics. Consequently, putting it
there is discourteous to the author and wrong in principle. This should be
corrected.

Tantrums & spewing nonsense from Spencer Hines can't change a wrong just
because he wishes to take advantage of it.

My trouble with spelling has nothing to do with ratiocination. I have
trouble with the order & even the presence or absence of letters, but not
with the words themselves that facilitate thought processes. Happily - like
most people here - I can outthink Spencer Hines in my sleep. As always,
juvenile gibbering about this on his part won't make any points favourable
to himself.

Peter Stewart




"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mgBKd.505$6k.5927@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!

Peter Stewart is so brain-damaged he can't even spell his own name. See
below.

Dr. Francisco Antonio Doria did us a great favor in sending the
_Ancestry of El Cid_ file to Ian Fettes who, as I recall, saw that it
was put up on Leo's website -- where we can all find it easily, download
it, study it and discuss it.

Very few of us visit obscure websites with files in Spanish.

Stewart should have the good sense to realize he is just digging a
deeper hole for himself with his silly-buggers, caustic, deranged
ankle-biting.

However, since he IS brain-damaged, I don't expect he WILL -- which
means I'll get to kick him in the arse some more....

That's fine too.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ZnzKd.138906$K7.117056@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

baldersnip

| Petere Stewart <sic

Ian Fettes

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Ian Fettes » 29 jan 2005 10:01:01

Hi All,

The Genealogics site has been adjusted to provide more appropriately a link
to this document rather than a copy of it.

Ian Fettes

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Ancestry Of El Cid


Good Point.

Perhaps a note to that effect could be put at Leo's site?

DSH

Jwc1870@aol.com> wrote in message news:ee.ba46a80.2f2c4b13@aol.com...

| Dear Spencer , Peter et als,
| While I agree it is pretty
nice to
| go to Genealogics and look up The Spanish paper relating to Don
Rodrigo Diaz
| de Vivar (El Cid)`s ancestry there is a lot to be said as well for
knowing the
| address of the however obscure (at least to We Inglesa and Inglesa
Americano
| speaking populace) website which theoretically would contain a number
of other
| important works relating the Espanola views concerning the lineages of
a
| variety of potential ancestors of a number of perplexing questions
concerning our
| Spanish ancestors. So, Thank You , Leo and Peter... and Chico for
bringing the
| El Cid article to this lists` attention in the first place.
| Sincerely,
| James W Cummings
| Dixmont, Maine
USA

______________________________

Chris Phillips

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 29 jan 2005 10:27:49

Ian Fettes wrote:
The Genealogics site has been adjusted to provide more appropriately a
link
to this document rather than a copy of it.


I'm sure that's the best thing to do.

One important point about unofficial "mirrors" of web pages - apart from
copyright considerations (which are important) - is that if the original
page is revised or corrected, the mirror remains unrevised and uncorrected.

Chris Phillips

Peter Stewart

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 29 jan 2005 10:36:21

""Ian Fettes"" <fettesi@st.net.au> wrote in message
news:006501c505e0$3c850190$18d9f0dc@iandl3mr2dhbht...
Hi All,

The Genealogics site has been adjusted to provide more appropriately a
link
to this document rather than a copy of it.

Thanks, Ian - it's often difficult to find the source of docments
circulating on the internet, and this response is right & courteous when an
issue of propriety has come to notice.

I didn't wish to criticise Leo or yourself, or Chico's generous impulse in
sharing the paper sent to him, but only to point out an alternative means of
accessing Margarita Torre's work.

Peter Stewart

Peter Stewart

Re: Ancestry Of El Cid

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 29 jan 2005 10:44:12

"Chris Phillips" <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> wrote in message
news:ctfl4m$ink$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Ian Fettes wrote:
The Genealogics site has been adjusted to provide more appropriately a
link
to this document rather than a copy of it.


I'm sure that's the best thing to do.

One important point about unofficial "mirrors" of web pages - apart from
copyright considerations (which are important) - is that if the original
page is revised or corrected, the mirror remains unrevised and
uncorrected.

Well put, Chris - in this case, the paper had been printed too, but any
addition or correction that might be appended on the official website could
perhaps have been missed.

There are some interesting websites relating to medieval genealogy where the
files are explicitly work in progress, as for instance Donald Jackman's
articles on countships & associated onomastics. In these cases, & elsewhere
that may not be so obvious, the possibility of compromising the author's
intentions through unauthorised propagation of "snap-shot" copies could be
more damaging.

Peter Stewart

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