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Weis Differs

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 23 jan 2005 01:01:02

Eldon Olson found a discrepancy in Weis Ancestral Roots with what I have recorded.

It is in regards to the parents of Beatrice of Hainault who married (I) Ebles Count de Roucy, they divorced before 1021, and had a daughter born about 1014.

Weiss Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Line 106
20.Hugh Capet
21.Hedwig married Regnier IV Count of Hainaut
22.Regnier V, died circa 1039 married circa 1015 Mathilde de Verdun
23.Beatrix of Hainaut married Ebles I Count of Rheims and Roucy (Source Boston Evening Transcript, Feb.1928, Noe 2257, Part XV Brabant; Moriarty.cit)

ES 1.2 Tafel 236 makes Beatrix a sister, not a daughter, of Regnier V. The line remains the same but there is one less generation (I think). Can anyone comment on this?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Gjest

Re: Weis Differs

Legg inn av Gjest » 23 jan 2005 01:09:10

"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Eldon Olson found a discrepancy in Weis Ancestral Roots with what I
have recorded.

It is in regards to the parents of Beatrice of Hainault who married
(I) Ebles Count de Roucy, they divorced before 1021, and had a daughter

born about 1014.
Weiss Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Line 106
20.Hugh Capet
21.Hedwig married Regnier IV Count of Hainaut
22.Regnier V, died circa 1039 married circa 1015 Mathilde de Verdun
23.Beatrix of Hainaut married Ebles I Count of Rheims and Roucy
(Source Boston Evening Transcript, Feb.1928, Noe 2257, Part XV Brabant;

Moriarty.cit)
ES 1.2 Tafel 236 makes Beatrix a sister, not a daughter, of Regnier
V. The line remains the same but there is one less generation (I

think). Can anyone comment on this?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Given the dates, ES must be right and AR7 wrong.


Doug

Karle Packard

Re: Weis Differs

Legg inn av Karle Packard » 23 jan 2005 03:01:07

You are misreading Weis! He has Beatrix of Hainaut as generation 22,
not 23, i.e. sister of Regnier V, not daughter!
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Weis Differs


"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Eldon Olson found a discrepancy in Weis Ancestral Roots with what I
have recorded.

It is in regards to the parents of Beatrice of Hainault who married
(I) Ebles Count de Roucy, they divorced before 1021, and had a daughter
born about 1014.

Weiss Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Line 106
20.Hugh Capet
21.Hedwig married Regnier IV Count of Hainaut
22.Regnier V, died circa 1039 married circa 1015 Mathilde de Verdun
23.Beatrix of Hainaut married Ebles I Count of Rheims and Roucy
(Source Boston Evening Transcript, Feb.1928, Noe 2257, Part XV Brabant;
Moriarty.cit)

ES 1.2 Tafel 236 makes Beatrix a sister, not a daughter, of Regnier
V. The line remains the same but there is one less generation (I
think). Can anyone comment on this?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Given the dates, ES must be right and AR7 wrong.

Doug

Leo van de Pas

Re: Weis Differs

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 23 jan 2005 03:01:09

Great, you are quite right!! Two people (one is myself) read it wrongly.
Thanks for spotting this.
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karle Packard" <kpackard@breezy.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Weis Differs


You are misreading Weis! He has Beatrix of Hainaut as generation 22,
not 23, i.e. sister of Regnier V, not daughter!
----- Original Message -----
From: <alden@mindspring.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Weis Differs



"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Eldon Olson found a discrepancy in Weis Ancestral Roots with what I
have recorded.

It is in regards to the parents of Beatrice of Hainault who married
(I) Ebles Count de Roucy, they divorced before 1021, and had a daughter
born about 1014.

Weiss Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Line 106
20.Hugh Capet
21.Hedwig married Regnier IV Count of Hainaut
22.Regnier V, died circa 1039 married circa 1015 Mathilde de Verdun
23.Beatrix of Hainaut married Ebles I Count of Rheims and Roucy
(Source Boston Evening Transcript, Feb.1928, Noe 2257, Part XV Brabant;
Moriarty.cit)

ES 1.2 Tafel 236 makes Beatrix a sister, not a daughter, of Regnier
V. The line remains the same but there is one less generation (I
think). Can anyone comment on this?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Given the dates, ES must be right and AR7 wrong.

Doug




Peter Stewart

Re: Weis Differs

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 23 jan 2005 05:16:50

""Leo van de Pas"" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:000801c500de$c7ffd8a0$c3b4fea9@email...
Eldon Olson found a discrepancy in Weis Ancestral Roots with what I have
recorded.

It is in regards to the parents of Beatrice of Hainault who married (I)
Ebles Count de Roucy, they divorced before 1021, and had a daughter born
about 1014.

Weiss Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Line 106
20.Hugh Capet
21.Hedwig married Regnier IV Count of Hainaut
22.Regnier V, died circa 1039 married circa 1015 Mathilde de Verdun
23.Beatrix of Hainaut married Ebles I Count of Rheims and Roucy (Source
Boston Evening Transcript, Feb.1928, Noe 2257, Part XV Brabant;
Moriarty.cit)

ES 1.2 Tafel 236 makes Beatrix a sister, not a daughter, of Regnier V. The
line remains the same but there is one less generation (I think). Can
anyone comment on this?

Although it is now resolved that Weis actually agreed with ES, there is
nevertheless a possible difficulty with the numbering of Regniers in the
Hainaut line.

According to Karl Ferdinand Werner in 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen bis
um das Jahr 1000 (1-8 Generation)', _Karl der Grosse: Lebenswerk und
Nachleben_, Band IV, Das Nachleben, edited by Wolfgang Braunfels & Percy
Ernst Schramm (Dusseldorf, 1967), the count known as Regnier IV (the father
of Beatrix) was born ca 950 and yet did not marry until ca 996. His wife
Hadwig was a daughter of Hugo Capet, but she may have been married before
this since ca 996 would also be rather late in her case for a first union.

In any event, it is most unlikely that Beatrix was the daughter of any other
wife but Hadwig, since her name was very unusual at this time except among
descendants of Hugo Capet's grandmother Beatrix.

Peter Stewart

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