Thanks very much Stewart. i have located Todd's book at my local state
library and will have a look at it.
Do you recommend Smyth's "Scandinavian rulers in the British Isles"? I
have not sighted this work as yet, but I see it cited as an authority
by some works i have consulted. I was debating whther to purchase a
copy from amazon.com despite the expense (it sells for $US191) but
have now learnt that a university library I can get to has one.
viking rulers of dublin and york
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Stewart Baldwin
Re: viking rulers of dublin and york
On 21 Jan 2005 19:48:42 -0800, dunsland@yahoo.com (Mark Harry) wrote:
Smyth's book was not well received by scholars. For a long (and very
negative) review article, see D. Ó Corráin, "High-kings, Vikings, and
other Kings", Irish Historical Studies 21 (1979), 283-323. Smyth's
major use of late and unreliable sources leads to quite a few
questionable conclusions, and I would not recommend using it as a
genealogical or historical source.
Also, see Ó Corráin's very interesting online article on the subject
of the early Viking invaders of Ireland at:
http://www.ucc.ie/ucc/chronicon/ocor2fra.htm
Stewart Baldwin
Thanks very much Stewart. i have located Todd's book at my local state
library and will have a look at it.
Do you recommend Smyth's "Scandinavian rulers in the British Isles"? I
have not sighted this work as yet, but I see it cited as an authority
by some works i have consulted. I was debating whther to purchase a
copy from amazon.com despite the expense (it sells for $US191) but
have now learnt that a university library I can get to has one.
Smyth's book was not well received by scholars. For a long (and very
negative) review article, see D. Ó Corráin, "High-kings, Vikings, and
other Kings", Irish Historical Studies 21 (1979), 283-323. Smyth's
major use of late and unreliable sources leads to quite a few
questionable conclusions, and I would not recommend using it as a
genealogical or historical source.
Also, see Ó Corráin's very interesting online article on the subject
of the early Viking invaders of Ireland at:
http://www.ucc.ie/ucc/chronicon/ocor2fra.htm
Stewart Baldwin
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Gjest
Re: Viking Rulers of Dublin and York
Dear Newsgroup,
According to Gwyn Jones 1968 edition of ` A
History of the Vikings` which I understand He has basically rewritten since on page
237-240 He writes that Olaf Guthfrithson succeeded his father in 934 and
immediately invaded York with a coalition of Constantine III, King of Scots and
Picts and Owain, Prince of Strathclyde. At an unidentified battlefield called
Brunaburh They encountered the Saxons under King Aethelstan the Glorious of
England and suffered a defeat leaving several jarls and some minor Kings dead. IN
939/940 Aethelstan died and Olaf Guthfrithson met that King`s eighteen year
old brother and successor Edmund I in battle at Leicester, defeated the young
Saxon king and gaining control of Northumberia, York, Derby, Lincoln,
Nottingham and Leicester. Olaf Guthfrithson died between 940 and 941, being succeeded
by Olaf Kvaran Sihtricson who was ousted by his subjects in 943 , Olaf
Guthfrithson`s son Rognvald Olafson being placed on the throne of York. In the
meantime both Olaf Kvaran and Rognvald Olafsson visited the Saxon king Edmund I and
recieved baptism. In 944 Olaf Kvaran regained York, but by years end Edmund
had forcibly expelled both Olaf and Rognvald. Edmund I held on to all of England
until his murder in 946, then his younger brother Eadred held it until 948
when King Harald I of Norway`s eldest son Erik I Bloodax arrived and was made
king by the Norsemen there. Eadred reacted strongly, the Norse abandoned Erik
and in 949 Olaf Kvaran was back yet a third time, then expelled, Erik being
back for 2 years before being driven out in 954. He incidently, died a faithful
servant of Odin, never accepting baptism.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine
USA
According to Gwyn Jones 1968 edition of ` A
History of the Vikings` which I understand He has basically rewritten since on page
237-240 He writes that Olaf Guthfrithson succeeded his father in 934 and
immediately invaded York with a coalition of Constantine III, King of Scots and
Picts and Owain, Prince of Strathclyde. At an unidentified battlefield called
Brunaburh They encountered the Saxons under King Aethelstan the Glorious of
England and suffered a defeat leaving several jarls and some minor Kings dead. IN
939/940 Aethelstan died and Olaf Guthfrithson met that King`s eighteen year
old brother and successor Edmund I in battle at Leicester, defeated the young
Saxon king and gaining control of Northumberia, York, Derby, Lincoln,
Nottingham and Leicester. Olaf Guthfrithson died between 940 and 941, being succeeded
by Olaf Kvaran Sihtricson who was ousted by his subjects in 943 , Olaf
Guthfrithson`s son Rognvald Olafson being placed on the throne of York. In the
meantime both Olaf Kvaran and Rognvald Olafsson visited the Saxon king Edmund I and
recieved baptism. In 944 Olaf Kvaran regained York, but by years end Edmund
had forcibly expelled both Olaf and Rognvald. Edmund I held on to all of England
until his murder in 946, then his younger brother Eadred held it until 948
when King Harald I of Norway`s eldest son Erik I Bloodax arrived and was made
king by the Norsemen there. Eadred reacted strongly, the Norse abandoned Erik
and in 949 Olaf Kvaran was back yet a third time, then expelled, Erik being
back for 2 years before being driven out in 954. He incidently, died a faithful
servant of Odin, never accepting baptism.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine
USA
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Peter A. Kincaid
Re: Viking Rulers of Dublin and York
At 05:01 PM 22/01/2005, you wrote:
This Owain was not a Prince but was noted as the King of the
Cumbrians. There is old propaganda/bias that the Kingdom of
Strathclyde at this time was no longer a kingdom but subject to
the King of the Scots. The evidence does not support this.
The Kingdom of Strathclyde continued on into the 11th century.
Best wishes!
Peter
Dear Newsgroup,
According to Gwyn Jones 1968 edition of ` A
History of the Vikings` which I understand He has basically rewritten
since on page
237-240 He writes that Olaf Guthfrithson succeeded his father in 934 and
immediately invaded York with a coalition of Constantine III, King of
Scots and
Picts and Owain, Prince of Strathclyde.
This Owain was not a Prince but was noted as the King of the
Cumbrians. There is old propaganda/bias that the Kingdom of
Strathclyde at this time was no longer a kingdom but subject to
the King of the Scots. The evidence does not support this.
The Kingdom of Strathclyde continued on into the 11th century.
Best wishes!
Peter