GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
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Karle Packard
GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
I would expect that most members of this list would have an ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number off-line and then insert it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
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Doug McDonald
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
Karle Packard wrote:
Legacy does it just fine, all the way to Niall of the Nine Hostages.
Doug McDonald
I would expect that most members of this list would have an ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number off-line and then insert it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
Legacy does it just fine, all the way to Niall of the Nine Hostages.
Doug McDonald
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
So does Family Origins 10.0 -- and I suppose RootsMagic as well.
Niall, an alleged ancestor of Brian Boru, may well be semi-mythical, of
course.
DSH
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:csrkrl$4s2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
| Karle Packard wrote:
| > I would expect that most members of this list would have an
ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available
genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to
calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it,
and have written programs to handle integers of very great length, but
at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy
program. A fallback position would be a program that provides an
editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number off-line and then
insert it.
| > Thanks for any suggestions.
| > KSP
| >
|
| Legacy does it just fine, all the way to Niall of the Nine Hostages.
|
| Doug McDonald
Niall, an alleged ancestor of Brian Boru, may well be semi-mythical, of
course.
DSH
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:csrkrl$4s2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
| Karle Packard wrote:
| > I would expect that most members of this list would have an
ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available
genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to
calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it,
and have written programs to handle integers of very great length, but
at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy
program. A fallback position would be a program that provides an
editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number off-line and then
insert it.
| > Thanks for any suggestions.
| > KSP
| >
|
| Legacy does it just fine, all the way to Niall of the Nine Hostages.
|
| Doug McDonald
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Gjest
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
Legacy will go back 250 generations!
Obviously into the mythical (needed a fun break one day), I've gotten
to:
One Hundred and Fourteenth Generation (111th Great-Grandparents)
(Ahnentafel #) 11522944585332300285226691684466688.
CE Wood
"Karle Packard" wrote:
available genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic
needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how
to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great
length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a
complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program
that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number
off-line and then insert it.
Obviously into the mythical (needed a fun break one day), I've gotten
to:
One Hundred and Fourteenth Generation (111th Great-Grandparents)
(Ahnentafel #) 11522944585332300285226691684466688.
CE Wood
"Karle Packard" wrote:
I would expect that most members of this list would have an
ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an
available genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic
needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how
to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great
length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a
complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program
that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number
off-line and then insert it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
Interesting!
Family Origins 10.0 will do an Ahnenlist of 200 Generations.
How About RootsMagic?
DSH
<wood_ce@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1106340098.860832.303350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Legacy will go back 250 generations!
|
| Obviously into the mythical (needed a fun break one day), I've gotten
| to:
|
| One Hundred and Fourteenth Generation (111th Great-Grandparents)
|
| (Ahnentafel #) 11522944585332300285226691684466688.
|
| CE Wood
|
|
| "Karle Packard" wrote:
| > I would expect that most members of this list would have an
| ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an
| available genealogy program that can handle the long integer
arithmetic
| needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how
| to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great
| length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a
| complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program
| that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number
| off-line and then insert it.
| > Thanks for any suggestions.
| > KSP
Family Origins 10.0 will do an Ahnenlist of 200 Generations.
How About RootsMagic?
DSH
<wood_ce@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1106340098.860832.303350@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Legacy will go back 250 generations!
|
| Obviously into the mythical (needed a fun break one day), I've gotten
| to:
|
| One Hundred and Fourteenth Generation (111th Great-Grandparents)
|
| (Ahnentafel #) 11522944585332300285226691684466688.
|
| CE Wood
|
|
| "Karle Packard" wrote:
| > I would expect that most members of this list would have an
| ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an
| available genealogy program that can handle the long integer
arithmetic
| needed to calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how
| to do it, and have written programs to handle integers of very great
| length, but at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a
| complete genealogy program. A fallback position would be a program
| that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number
| off-line and then insert it.
| > Thanks for any suggestions.
| > KSP
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pj.evans
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
Sorry, neither FO v10 nor RM v2 does, if you are referring to the
ahnentafel under Reports > Lists. The limit is 31. (I have both and
just checked.) I wish it would go past that limit of (2^32)-1 also.
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
ahnentafel under Reports > Lists. The limit is 31. (I have both and
just checked.) I wish it would go past that limit of (2^32)-1 also.
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
So does Family Origins 10.0 -- and I suppose RootsMagic as well.
Niall, an alleged ancestor of Brian Boru, may well be semi-mythical,
of
course.
DSH
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:csrkrl$4s2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
| Karle Packard wrote:
| > I would expect that most members of this list would have an
ahnentafel longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an
available
genealogy program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed
to
calculate the ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do
it,
and have written programs to handle integers of very great length,
but
at over 80 I don't want to spend the time to write a complete
genealogy
program. A fallback position would be a program that provides an
editable ahnentafel, so one could compute the number off-line and
then
insert it.
| > Thanks for any suggestions.
| > KSP
|
|
| Legacy does it just fine, all the way to Niall of the Nine
Hostages.
|
| Doug McDonald
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JG
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
TMG version 4.0d and higher will do it
JG
""Karle Packard"" <kpackard@breezy.com> wrote in message
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program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to calculate the
ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it, and have written
programs to handle integers of very great length, but at over 80 I don't
want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy program. A fallback
position would be a program that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one
could compute the number off-line and then insert it.
JG
""Karle Packard"" <kpackard@breezy.com> wrote in message
news:001101c4ffec$b3a646c0$bd1db1d8@oemcomputer...
I would expect that most members of this list would have an ahnentafel
longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available genealogy
program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to calculate the
ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it, and have written
programs to handle integers of very great length, but at over 80 I don't
want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy program. A fallback
position would be a program that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one
could compute the number off-line and then insert it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
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Francois Papin
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
ahnenetafel :
the word is not in my Harrap's dictionnary.
aber, was ist fur Sie ein ahnentafel ?
I use two free software : the one of Mormons : PAF,
very good.
I have more than 60 generations
it is unlimited.
and, cocorico :
a French One : Geneweb
the best in the world, of course !
it is very interessant because there is a free data base : Geneanet,
with hundred millions of names.
from Ramses to today, you find all known mens and women.
.... and I,
it is really a very interessant software
it compute parental degree very well
it speak many langages
Daniel de Rauglaudre has a personnal data base of 700 000 names !
its + is : the title of nobility
you ask "Earl of Toulouse"
and 3 seconds later, you have the list of all Earls of Toulouse
(those who are in the database, of course ...)
from the same familial dynasty, or not ...
for two persons, it give their common ancestors
an the way to them
and it write it, very easyly.
for one person, you,
it give alls your ancetors
with their SOSA
some persons write this up to Adam
I stop with Roman Imperators ...
it's weak enough ...
INRIA is a public Institute (built for de Gaulle bomb's, I think)
the computers are very strong.
I think genealogy is for lost time ...
))
How can someone live without Geneanet ?
I cannot think that ...
Friendly
François
"JG" <jgarner11@kc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
PNsNd.3679$w75.1526@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
the word is not in my Harrap's dictionnary.
aber, was ist fur Sie ein ahnentafel ?
I use two free software : the one of Mormons : PAF,
very good.
I have more than 60 generations
it is unlimited.
and, cocorico :
a French One : Geneweb
the best in the world, of course !
it is very interessant because there is a free data base : Geneanet,
with hundred millions of names.
from Ramses to today, you find all known mens and women.
.... and I,
it is really a very interessant software
it compute parental degree very well
it speak many langages
Daniel de Rauglaudre has a personnal data base of 700 000 names !
its + is : the title of nobility
you ask "Earl of Toulouse"
and 3 seconds later, you have the list of all Earls of Toulouse
(those who are in the database, of course ...)
from the same familial dynasty, or not ...
for two persons, it give their common ancestors
an the way to them
and it write it, very easyly.
for one person, you,
it give alls your ancetors
with their SOSA
some persons write this up to Adam
I stop with Roman Imperators ...
it's weak enough ...
INRIA is a public Institute (built for de Gaulle bomb's, I think)
the computers are very strong.
I think genealogy is for lost time ...
How can someone live without Geneanet ?
I cannot think that ...
Friendly
François
"JG" <jgarner11@kc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
PNsNd.3679$w75.1526@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
TMG version 4.0d and higher will do it
JG
""Karle Packard"" <kpackard@breezy.com> wrote in message
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I would expect that most members of this list would have an
ahnentafel
longer than 32 generations. Does anyone know of an available genealogy
program that can handle the long integer arithmetic needed to calculate
the
ahnentafel numbers in such a case? I know how to do it, and have written
programs to handle integers of very great length, but at over 80 I don't
want to spend the time to write a complete genealogy program. A fallback
position would be a program that provides an editable ahnentafel, so one
could compute the number off-line and then insert it.
Thanks for any suggestions.
KSP
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F.Tavares de Almeida
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
"Francois Papin" <papin.franc@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<42071a4f$0$25814$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>...
with SOSA numbers:
1
2 - Father
3 - Mother
4 - Grandfather, etc.
reliable exporting, has the best merging and is the faster I know
(must be programmed in a very low level language). However is quite
limited in events, limited in sources, limited dealing with places,
doesn't accept alternative events, places, parents or children and,
the worse for europeans or medievalists, it can't cope with long
names, much less long titles or qualities.
A very good one, I have to agree against my will. I hate to inflate
french vanity wich is already outstanding.
The most peculiar characteristic of Geneweb is that it is not a
database. It is programmed directly on DOS and needs 2 DOS files
opened and they interact. Nothing to do with any other existing
software, but it works and works fast. I can not say more for lack of
experience but at first it seems impressive.
True.
INRIA is really a Public Institute for research in computing and all
related, including automation, but GeneaNet and GeneWeb have nohing to
do with INRIA and their computers.
GeneWeb was the thesis to a MA for Daniel de Rauglaudre and was
developed in INRIA, in Sophia Antipolis, with his "supervisor"
assistance. When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds. (One of my
nephews is a "Chargée de Recherche" - something like a Ph.D. plus
public employment - in INRIA and did not know anything about GeneWeb
until I asked her).
PS- I am still waiting for your line from Muhammad to the emirs of
Cordoba
>
ahnenetafel :
the word is not in my Harrap's dictionnary.
aber, was ist fur Sie ein ahnentafel ?
Ahnentafel is the german word - wordly adopted - for an ancestor list
with SOSA numbers:
1
2 - Father
3 - Mother
4 - Grandfather, etc.
I use two free software : the one of Mormons : PAF,
very good.
I have more than 60 generations
it is unlimited.
PAF is technically the best software. It never crashes, is the most
reliable exporting, has the best merging and is the faster I know
(must be programmed in a very low level language). However is quite
limited in events, limited in sources, limited dealing with places,
doesn't accept alternative events, places, parents or children and,
the worse for europeans or medievalists, it can't cope with long
names, much less long titles or qualities.
and, cocorico :
a French One : Geneweb
the best in the world, of course !
A very good one, I have to agree against my will. I hate to inflate
french vanity wich is already outstanding.
The most peculiar characteristic of Geneweb is that it is not a
database. It is programmed directly on DOS and needs 2 DOS files
opened and they interact. Nothing to do with any other existing
software, but it works and works fast. I can not say more for lack of
experience but at first it seems impressive.
it is very interessant because there is a free data base : Geneanet,
with hundred millions of names.
from Ramses to today, you find all known mens and women.
... and I,
Much better indeed than the pretense american equivalents, with the advantage of being free (it has to be).
it is really a very interessant software
it compute parental degree very well
it speak many langages
I do not know that yet but I believe.
Daniel de Rauglaudre has a personnal data base of 700 000 names !
True.
its + is : the title of nobility
you ask "Earl of Toulouse"
and 3 seconds later, you have the list of all Earls of Toulouse
(those who are in the database, of course ...)
from the same familial dynasty, or not ...
for two persons, it give their common ancestors
an the way to them
and it write it, very easyly.
for one person, you,
it give alls your ancetors
with their SOSA
some persons write this up to Adam
I stop with Roman Imperators ...
it's weak enough ...
INRIA is a public Institute (built for de Gaulle bomb's, I think)
the computers are very strong.
I think genealogy is for lost time ...))
INRIA is really a Public Institute for research in computing and all
related, including automation, but GeneaNet and GeneWeb have nohing to
do with INRIA and their computers.
GeneWeb was the thesis to a MA for Daniel de Rauglaudre and was
developed in INRIA, in Sophia Antipolis, with his "supervisor"
assistance. When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds. (One of my
nephews is a "Chargée de Recherche" - something like a Ph.D. plus
public employment - in INRIA and did not know anything about GeneWeb
until I asked her).
How can someone live without Geneanet ?
I cannot think that ...
Some will survive ...
Friendly
François
Regards
Francisco (Portuguese for François)
PS- I am still waiting for your line from Muhammad to the emirs of
Cordoba
>
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Gjest
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
In a message dated 2/7/2005 4:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
francisco.tavaresdealmeida@gmail.com writes:
When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds.
If it cannot be sold how can one acquire it.
I use PAF and am happy with it although it does have it's limits. One which
I would like particularly is an ancestor listing printout which will list
more than thirty two generations, as PAF is limited.
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
francisco.tavaresdealmeida@gmail.com writes:
When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds.
If it cannot be sold how can one acquire it.
I use PAF and am happy with it although it does have it's limits. One which
I would like particularly is an ancestor listing printout which will list
more than thirty two generations, as PAF is limited.
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
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CE Wood
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
You go to the site and download it. It does take a good deal of
computer expertise to set up, upgrade, and maintain, however:
http://www.geneweb.org/
CE Wood
GRHaleJr@aol.com wrote:
computer expertise to set up, upgrade, and maintain, however:
http://www.geneweb.org/
CE Wood
GRHaleJr@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/7/2005 4:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
francisco.tavaresdealmeida@gmail.com writes:
When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds.
If it cannot be sold how can one acquire it.
I use PAF and am happy with it although it does have it's limits.
One which
I would like particularly is an ancestor listing printout which will
list
more than thirty two generations, as PAF is limited.
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas
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F.Tavares de Almeida
Re: GENEALOGY SOFTWARE
CE Wood already answered your question but I would like to add some
corrections to my previous information.
GeneWeb was not a thesis of M. de Rauglaudre but a project of INRIA
developed in a new language CAM1, later OCAM1. It started in 1997 and
become opened to public access in 1998 in INRIA's site. In 2001,
GeneaNet, a private company, installed GeneWeb in their site wich can,
until now be freely used by anybody (users can restrict the access to
their own data). 2002 was the last year that GeneWeb shows in INRIA's
repports but M. de Rauglaudre did not left INRIA, just moved to
another research team.
GeneWeb keeps beeing developed, GNU licensed and open source, but
always with INRIA´s copyright so it is free and must continue free.
Naturally GeneaNet does not offer the same guarantee and to use it
freely you have to see publicity but they do have some strong points:
1. Users keep the right to hide, change or delette the data they sent;
2. There is no need to download (and update) GeneWeb as a gedcom file
will do and users can always change or add data directly in GeneaNet's
site(this means you can make your data available to others, anybody or
just those who know your password, while keep working with the program
you like);
3. By a system of two passwords and the possibility to differentiate
branches of your tree, some choosen relatives may directly add data
only to their own branches.
Regards,
Francisco Tavares de Almeida
GRHaleJr@aol.com wrote in message news:<fd.cbc4d86.2f395bbb@aol.com>...
corrections to my previous information.
GeneWeb was not a thesis of M. de Rauglaudre but a project of INRIA
developed in a new language CAM1, later OCAM1. It started in 1997 and
become opened to public access in 1998 in INRIA's site. In 2001,
GeneaNet, a private company, installed GeneWeb in their site wich can,
until now be freely used by anybody (users can restrict the access to
their own data). 2002 was the last year that GeneWeb shows in INRIA's
repports but M. de Rauglaudre did not left INRIA, just moved to
another research team.
GeneWeb keeps beeing developed, GNU licensed and open source, but
always with INRIA´s copyright so it is free and must continue free.
Naturally GeneaNet does not offer the same guarantee and to use it
freely you have to see publicity but they do have some strong points:
1. Users keep the right to hide, change or delette the data they sent;
2. There is no need to download (and update) GeneWeb as a gedcom file
will do and users can always change or add data directly in GeneaNet's
site(this means you can make your data available to others, anybody or
just those who know your password, while keep working with the program
you like);
3. By a system of two passwords and the possibility to differentiate
branches of your tree, some choosen relatives may directly add data
only to their own branches.
Regards,
Francisco Tavares de Almeida
GRHaleJr@aol.com wrote in message news:<fd.cbc4d86.2f395bbb@aol.com>...
In a message dated 2/7/2005 4:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
francisco.tavaresdealmeida@gmail.com writes:
When M.de Rauglaudre left INRIA GeneWeb became a private
software with the only limitation that it can not be in any way sold
or commercialized as it was developed with public funds.
If it cannot be sold how can one acquire it.
I use PAF and am happy with it although it does have it's limits. One which
I would like particularly is an ancestor listing printout which will list
more than thirty two generations, as PAF is limited.
Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas