Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

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John Brandon aka starbuck

Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av John Brandon aka starbuck » 19 jan 2005 23:13:48

_Parochial History of the County of Cornwall_ reproduces the monumental
inscription to John Hender of Minster, Cornwall, and his wife Jane (nee
Thorne):

"Here under lieth enterred the body of John Hender, Esq., late lord and
owner of the honour and ffee of Botreulx Castle and Worthevale in this
county; a Justice of Peace and Quorum whilst he lived there; And patron
of this Church; who deceased ye 7th day of June, 1611.
He was trulie religious and of great integritie, & whilst he lived
imployed as a principall agent in all weightye affaires of state in
this his countrie. He had issue by Jane his deerest consort (Ye dau.
of Thom. Thorne, late of Yardle, in ye county of Northampton, Esqr.) 4
daus. his heires. Katherine ye eldest married unto John Molesworth,
Esqr., his Maties surveiour-General of this county. Francis ye second
espoused unto Richard Robartes, Esqr., now high shrief ther. Mary ye
third coupled unto Elice Hele, Esqr., learned in ye lawes, & Trea: of
ye Temple, London; & Elizabeth ye fourth affianced in marriage unto Mr.
Willm. Cotton, sone and heire to ye Right Reverend Father in God
William, lord-bishoppe of Exon" (Joseph Polsue, ed., _[Lake's] Complete
Parochial History of the County of Cornwall_, 3:360).

As the father of Susanna (Thorne) Dudley was Thomas Thorne of Yardley
Hastings, Northamptonshire, it would seem that Jane (Thorne) Hender was
her sister. The will of Thomas Thorne, as reproduced in NEHGR
66:340-41, mentions his daughter "Susan Dudley" (amongst other
children), and gives "[t]o the children of my Sonne Pender [?] likewise
£3 11s. 8d."

Apparently, "Pender" should read "Hender." The distance between
Cornwall and Northamptonshire may have helped to obscure this important
connection of the Thornes and Dudleys.

John and Jane (Thorne) Hender are found on p. 217 of the 1620 Cornwall
Visitation--

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... index.html

Notice that the husband of one of their daughters, Richard Robartes,
was later created Lord Robartes [and still later, Earl of Radnor]. The
Molesworth family, into which another of their daughters married, were
also very prominent.

Probably this would be 'of interest' to descendants of Governor Thomas
Dudley of Massachusetts ...

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 20 jan 2005 01:51:26

In article <1106172828.656704.173520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"John Brandon aka starbuck95 aka MRGIFFORD" <starbuck95@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Parochial History of the County of Cornwall reproduces the monumental
inscription to John Hender of Minster, Cornwall, and his wife Jane (nee
Thorne):

"Here under lieth enterred the body of John Hender, Esq., late lord and
owner of the honour and ffee of Botreulx Castle and Worthevale in this
county; a Justice of Peace and Quorum whilst he lived there; And patron
of this Church; who deceased ye 7th day of June, 1611.
He was trulie religious and of great integritie, & whilst he lived
imployed as a principall agent in all weightye affaires of state in
this his countrie. He had issue by Jane his deerest consort (Ye dau.
of Thom. Thorne, late of Yardle, in ye county of Northampton, Esqr.) 4
daus. his heires. Katherine ye eldest married unto John Molesworth,
Esqr., his Maties surveiour-General of this county. Francis ye second
espoused unto Richard Robartes, Esqr., now high shrief ther. Mary ye
third coupled unto Elice Hele, Esqr., learned in ye lawes, & Trea: of
ye Temple, London; & Elizabeth ye fourth affianced in marriage unto Mr.
Willm. Cotton, sone and heire to ye Right Reverend Father in God
William, lord-bishoppe of Exon" (Joseph Polsue, ed., [Lake's] Complete
Parochial History of the County of Cornwall , 3:360).

As the father of Susanna (Thorne) Dudley was Thomas Thorne of Yardley
Hastings, Northamptonshire, it would seem that Jane (Thorne) Hender was
her sister. The will of Thomas Thorne, as reproduced in NEHGR
66:340-41, mentions his daughter "Susan Dudley" (amongst other
children), and gives "[t]o the children of my Sonne Pender [?] likewise
£3 11s. 8d."

Apparently, "Pender" should read "Hender." The distance between
Cornwall and Northamptonshire may have helped to obscure this important
connection of the Thornes and Dudleys.

John and Jane (Thorne) Hender are found on p. 217 of the 1620 Cornwall
Visitation--

Interesting. One pedigree I have in front of me (Purefoy of Shalston,
Bucks, from Nichols' Leicester) has the following children of Thomas
Thorne & Mary Purefoy:

Anthony Thorne
Edward Thorne
Robert Thorne
Thorney Thorne
Katharine, wife of Francis Worsley
Susanna, wife of ... Rogers [sic, recte Roger Dudley]

My favorite, of course, is "Thorney Thorne". Sounds like an R & B
singer somewhere off-strip in Vegas.

Nat Taylor

a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

>starbuck95@hotmail.co

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av >starbuck95@hotmail.co » 20 jan 2005 14:55:38

Interesting. One pedigree I have in front of me (Purefoy of Shalston,
Bucks, >>from Nichols' Leicester) has the following children of Thomas

Thorne & Mary >>Purefoy:

Thorney Thorne

Yeah, I remember looking at that chart and noticing that odd name.
Maybe he was just a very difficult person ...

There may be an overlooked clue on that same page. It very clearly
shows the marriage of Mary Purefoy to Thomas Thorne (Susanna Thorne
Dudley's parents). But a generation earlier, it shows the marriage of
a Mary Purefoy to a Thomas "Thome" on some precise date in 1540, if I'm
remembering correctly (not always guaranteed). That did seem like a
possible date for the marriage of Thomas Thorne and his wife Mary.

Gjest

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 jan 2005 20:30:38

Thanks for this interesting finding, John. As it happens, an associate
of mine who'd probably prefer to remain nameless has been collecting a
great deal of information on the Thorne family and its connections. He
stresses the evidence for a surprisingly high social standing for the
Thornes, as evidenced by the marriages they made, and the presumption
that Roger Dudley came from the same stratum of marital material. He's
also amassed much evidence showing that the Thornes had had many
connections with families associated with the Quondam and
Northumberland Dudleys, but finds no connections with the
geographically closer Dudleys of Clapton. This finding of yours fits
the overall picture neatly.

John Brandon aka starbuck95 aka MRGIFFORD wrote:
_Parochial History of the County of Cornwall_ reproduces the
monumental
inscription to John Hender of Minster, Cornwall, and his wife Jane
(nee
Thorne):

"Here under lieth enterred the body of John Hender, Esq., late lord
and
owner of the honour and ffee of Botreulx Castle and Worthevale in
this
county; a Justice of Peace and Quorum whilst he lived there; And
patron
of this Church; who deceased ye 7th day of June, 1611.
He was trulie religious and of great integritie, & whilst he lived
imployed as a principall agent in all weightye affaires of state in
this his countrie. He had issue by Jane his deerest consort (Ye dau.
of Thom. Thorne, late of Yardle, in ye county of Northampton, Esqr.)
4
daus. his heires. Katherine ye eldest married unto John Molesworth,
Esqr., his Maties surveiour-General of this county. Francis ye
second
espoused unto Richard Robartes, Esqr., now high shrief ther. Mary ye
third coupled unto Elice Hele, Esqr., learned in ye lawes, & Trea: of
ye Temple, London; & Elizabeth ye fourth affianced in marriage unto
Mr.
Willm. Cotton, sone and heire to ye Right Reverend Father in God
William, lord-bishoppe of Exon" (Joseph Polsue, ed., _[Lake's]
Complete
Parochial History of the County of Cornwall_, 3:360).

As the father of Susanna (Thorne) Dudley was Thomas Thorne of Yardley
Hastings, Northamptonshire, it would seem that Jane (Thorne) Hender
was
her sister. The will of Thomas Thorne, as reproduced in NEHGR
66:340-41, mentions his daughter "Susan Dudley" (amongst other
children), and gives "[t]o the children of my Sonne Pender [?]
likewise
£3 11s. 8d."

Apparently, "Pender" should read "Hender." The distance between
Cornwall and Northamptonshire may have helped to obscure this
important
connection of the Thornes and Dudleys.

John and Jane (Thorne) Hender are found on p. 217 of the 1620
Cornwall
Visitation--


http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/ ... index.html

Notice that the husband of one of their daughters, Richard Robartes,
was later created Lord Robartes [and still later, Earl of Radnor].
The
Molesworth family, into which another of their daughters married,
were
also very prominent.

Probably this would be 'of interest' to descendants of Governor
Thomas
Dudley of Massachusetts ...

>starbuck95@hotmail.co

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av >starbuck95@hotmail.co » 20 jan 2005 21:42:13

Glad to be able to help!

There is a Thorne family in the Cornwall Visitation (or is it Devon?).
Don't know if that is significant or not.

John C. Brandon a.k.a sta

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av John C. Brandon a.k.a sta » 20 jan 2005 22:12:06

It had occurred to me that the Elizabeth Dudley who testified in 1667
on behalf of the Giffords of Lynn was the daughter Elizabeth of Rev.
Samuel Dudley of Exeter, New Hampshire:

Elizabeth Dudlye, aged about fifteen years, deposed that on Jan 15 or
16 last, Daniel Hutchins came to speak with Mrs. Giffard, and when she
came down, he told her that he had come to reckon with her. She
replied that she did not reckon for her husband. Huchens then gave her
abusive speeches, saying that he would never believe a word more that
ever she should speak, etc. Sworn, Mar. 2, 1667, before Daniel
Denison.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex031.html

John Newhall, constable of Lyn, deposed that having attached the cows
and horse, he left the cattle at Mr. Giffords' house, the cows in the
yard, the horse by the barn door, and left him tied, etc. Sworn in
court.
Jno. Purchas, aged about twenty-six years, testified that Huchins
promised before Mr. Hawks and himself to give up the cattle. Elizabeth
Dudly testified to the same. Sworn in court.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/wit ... ex032.html

Exeter, New Hampshire, would be some distance from Lynn, but Elizabeth
Dudley lived in Beverly (i.e., somewhat closer to Lynn) after her
marriage to Kinsley Hall in 1674. Elizabeth, daughter of Rev. Samuel
Dudley, was born about 1652--from what I've seen --and hence aged 15 in
1667.

Maybe she was a friend or companion of the younger Margaret Giffard ...?

John C. Brandon a.k.a sta

Re: Another sister for Susanna (Thorne) Dudley

Legg inn av John C. Brandon a.k.a sta » 21 jan 2005 16:56:50

Elizabeth Dudlye, aged about fifteen years, deposed that on >>Jan 15
or 16 last, Daniel Hutchins came to speak with Mrs. >>Giffard, and when

shecame down, he told her that he had come to reckon with her. She
replied that she did not reckon for her husband. Huchens then gave her
abusive speeches, saying that he would never believe a word more that
ever she should speak, etc. Sworn, Mar. 2, 1667, before Daniel Denison.

It's sort of interesting to notice that the deposition of this
particular Elizabeth Dudley was sworn before Daniel Denison of Ipswich,
whose wife was a sister of Rev. Samuel Dudley of Exeter.

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