Des Phokades aux Botaneiatai (olim: Alexios Komnenos, Protos

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Pierre Aronax

Des Phokades aux Botaneiatai (olim: Alexios Komnenos, Protos

Legg inn av Pierre Aronax » 05 jan 2005 14:49:10

Kelsey J. Williams a écrit:

IV. N., dau. of Theodules Synadenos = Geisa I, King of Hungary (d.
1077)

Valid, although (beyond NN Synadena being a niece of the Emperor
Nikephoros Botaneiates) I am still looking for the alleged descent
from the Phokai.

What source alledges a descent from the Phokai?


Michaèl Attaleiatès affirme énergiquement (trop énergiquement au goût
de certains) que les Botaneiatai descendaient des Phokades. En suivant
cette seule source, on pourrait suggérer une filiation à peu près
claire (avec deux variantes possibles), mais une autre source vient un
peu compliquer la question.

Pierre

Kelsey Williams

Re: Des Phokades aux Botaneiatai (olim: Alexios Komnenos, Pr

Legg inn av Kelsey Williams » 05 jan 2005 21:08:12

Pierre Aronax wrote:
Kelsey J. Williams a écrit:

IV. N., dau. of Theodules Synadenos = Geisa I, King of Hungary (d.
1077)

Valid, although (beyond NN Synadena being a niece of the Emperor
Nikephoros Botaneiates) I am still looking for the alleged descent
from the Phokai.

What source alledges a descent from the Phokai?


Michaèl Attaleiatès affirme énergiquement (trop énergiquement au
goût
de certains) que les Botaneiatai descendaient des Phokades. En
suivant
cette seule source, on pourrait suggérer une filiation à peu près
claire (avec deux variantes possibles), mais une autre source vient
un
peu compliquer la question.

Pierre

Thanks for the citation. I guess the question now is whether
Attaleiatès was just boasting or whether Botaneiates really was
descended from the Phokai. Looking at the ODB I see that both Psellos
and Abu'l-Faraj imply a relatively modest origin for the Botaneiatai
which would seem to militate against their being related to the Phokai.
Of course, these two historians could have had some political motive
for denigrating the Botaneiatai's ancestry.
Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

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