Joan Waterton, wife of Lord Welles - a CP contradiction?

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Clagett, Brice

Joan Waterton, wife of Lord Welles - a CP contradiction?

Legg inn av Clagett, Brice » 30 des 2004 22:01:02

John Higgins asks about the "original source" that calls Lady
Welles Cecily. According to Hall's article referred to in my
original post, p. 92, the 1477 ipm of Sir Robert Waterton (d. 1476,
son of Robert Waterton and Cecily Fleming) names as his heirs
the four daughters of his sister, Cecilia, Lady Welles. This
long postdates the ipm of John, 5th Lord Welles, taken in 1421
in Lady Welles' lifetime, which calls her Joan.

I have seen only the abstract of Sir Robert Waterton's ipm
in Hall's article. If the abstract is correct in calling Lady Welles
"sister" of the decedent, is that evidence in favor of Cecily
Fleming as Lady Welles' mother? I doubt it; Lady Welles'
children would have been Sir Robert's heirs no matter whether
she was his full sister or half-sister. And, even if "sister" is
deemed to mean full sister, if I am right that the
1477 ipm got Lady Welles' name wrong it would not seem a
terribly reliable source for her maternity.

Chris Phillips

Re: Joan Waterton, wife of Lord Welles - a CP contradiction?

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 01 jan 2005 11:15:17

Clagett, Brice wrote:
I have seen only the abstract of Sir Robert Waterton's ipm
in Hall's article. If the abstract is correct in calling Lady Welles
"sister" of the decedent, is that evidence in favor of Cecily
Fleming as Lady Welles' mother? I doubt it; Lady Welles'
children would have been Sir Robert's heirs no matter whether
she was his full sister or half-sister. And, even if "sister" is
deemed to mean full sister, if I am right that the
1477 ipm got Lady Welles' name wrong it would not seem a
terribly reliable source for her maternity.

I would say that if Sir Robert's IPM names Cecily's children as his heirs,
that means that she was a full sister, not a half sister, as half-blood
relations could not be heirs. Unless the lands in question had been
specifically entailed so that they would pass to the issue of a half
sibling, the heir would be a more distant full-blood relation.

Chris Phillips

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