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Ferrers family of Groby

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 des 2004 21:21:01

Brad,

I was most interested in your reference to Elizabeth, younger daughter of
Henry de Ferrers, baron of Groby, by his wife Isabel de Verdun.
I wonder if I may take you further on into the 1400s with that family, to
Sir Thomas Ferrers of Tamworth Castle, (which he acquired through his father's
marriage to Elizabeth de Freville) and his marriage to Anne Hastings, and
they produced a son John. John's second wife was Margaret Hungerford of Down
Ampney following his first marriage to Maud Stanley. The second marriage
produced a daughter, Catherine, who married Sir Anthony Babington of Dethick after
the death of his first wife in November, 1505.
As my own family line is directly connected to that Babington/Ferrers
marriage through the Babingtons who went across to the north of Ireland during the
early 1600s, I am keen to place accurately Catherine's father John Ferrers or
Sir John Ferrers. I understand he died before his father, and may have been
one of the Ferrers who died at Bosworth Field in 1485. I have known him to
be connected to Walton, Derbyshire and to Tamworth, but also to Rutland,
Shropshire and even to Wiltshire. I noticed at Tamworth Castle his first marriage
is referred to but not his second, which may well be because Catherine and
Sir Anthony played no part there.
I wonder if you or others can throw any light on these members of the
Ferrers family, John and his daughter Catherine.
Alex

Brad Verity

Re: Ferrers family of Groby

Legg inn av Brad Verity » 22 jan 2005 08:26:07

AlexStewart17@aol.com wrote:

I was most interested in your reference to Elizabeth, younger
daughter of
Henry de Ferrers, baron of Groby, by his wife Isabel de Verdun.
I wonder if I may take you further on into the 1400s with that
family,


Dear Alex,

I've unpacked my Ferrers of Groby file, but unfortunately have little
to help you with.

Thomas Ferrers I of Tamworth, the second son of William, 6th Lord
Ferrers of Groby, was married in 1419 to Elizabeth de Freville. I have
not yet researched in any detail the chronology of the 15th century
Ferrers family.

to
Sir Thomas Ferrers of Tamworth Castle, (which he acquired through
his father's
marriage to Elizabeth de Freville) and his marriage to Anne
Hastings,


From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century,
c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson (New York: Cambridge University Press,

1992), p. 230: "Thomas I's elder son and heir, Thomas II, married Anne,
daughter of Sir Leonard Hastings in 1448. The parents were obviously
keen on the match for Hastings provided Anne with a marriage portion of
f300 while Thomas I transferred to the couple land valued at 40 marks
yearly with the promise of an additional grant valued at 20 marks
(H.M.C., 'Hastings', I, p. 300). On two occasions, Thomas II was
pricked as sheriff for Warwickshire and Leicestershire, first, in 1460
when he was referred to as esquire, and again in 1468 by which time he
had been knighted (Lists and Indexes, IX, p. 145). According to
Wedgwood, he died in 1498 ('Biographies', p. 318)."

I don't have access to Wedgwood, unfortunately. Per his father's 1459
IPM, Thomas II was age 36 and more, so born about 1423. This fits well
with the 1419 marriage date of Thomas I to Elizabeth de Freville. So
Thomas II was about age 25 at marriage.

and
they produced a son John.

I'm not sure how old Anne Hastings was at her marriage, so I'm not sure
if their eldest son and heir John was born soon after their 1448
marriage or not. But if he was born, say 1450, there could be enough
time for two marriages before his death in 1485 about the age of 35.

John's second wife was Margaret Hungerford of Down
Ampney following his first marriage to Maud Stanley.

Margaret Hungerford would be the daughter of Edmund Hungerford of Down
Ampney (d. 26 March 1484) and his wife Margaret Burnell. What is
interesting is that their son Edward Hungerford (c.1454-1507) married
Anne Grey, daughter of Sir Edward Grey and Elizabeth Ferrers, Lord and
Lady Ferrers of Groby. So another Ferrers/Hungerford match (Anne Grey
of Groby and John Ferrers of Tamworth were second cousins) would be
quite natural.

Edward Hungerford left a will (P.C.C. 27 Adeane), which you could
probably order through the National Archives.

The second marriage
produced a daughter, Catherine, who married Sir Anthony Babington of
Dethick after
the death of his first wife in November, 1505.

Catherine Ferrers would then have been over twenty when she married
Babington, but as her mother was not an heiress, and she was not the
heir of her father either (if he was the John Ferrers of Tamworth who
dvp in 1485), a marriage in her 20s is not surprising.

As my own family line is directly connected to that Babington/Ferrers

marriage through the Babingtons who went across to the north of
Ireland during the
early 1600s, I am keen to place accurately Catherine's father John
Ferrers or
Sir John Ferrers. I understand he died before his father, and may
have been
one of the Ferrers who died at Bosworth Field in 1485. I have known
him to
be connected to Walton, Derbyshire and to Tamworth, but also to
Rutland,
Shropshire and even to Wiltshire.

A thorough inventory of the properties owned by Thomas Ferrers I and
Thomas Ferrers II of Tamworth may help link in your John Ferrers.
Thomas I had 1459 IPMs which may help you. Sadly, they have not yet
been published in the CIPM series, but copies of the originals could be
ordered through the National Archives. Any 1498 IPMs for Thomas II
would be in the Henry VII volumes of the CIPM series.

I noticed at Tamworth Castle his first marriage
is referred to but not his second, which may well be because
Catherine and
Sir Anthony played no part there.

Or because it was through the first wife (Mary Stanley) that the
Tamworth line continued in the person of Sir John Ferrers, grandson and
heir of Thomas II.

I wonder if you or others can throw any light on these members of
the
Ferrers family, John and his daughter Catherine.

For Catherine, you can order her IPM through the National Archives:

E 150/1142/4 Babington, Catherine: Leicester 30 Hen VIII.

Hope this helps point you toward further avenues of research. Good
luck!

Cheers, ----Brad

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