Two hours ago everything was normal. Returning to the computer, the
format is a mess. In my opinion this is totally unworkable. Sidebars
(which are not appreciated) ran over the message text making both
unreadable. If others in this group have a similar reaction to this
abrupt change, is there a way to get the old system back - where you
could at least find what you want to read and actually read it? I can't
even figure out how to navigate this thing now.
what happened to the format?
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Gjest
Re: what happened to the format?
I don't like this new format one bit either. It changed on me
mid-message. I didn't know what was going on. It's going to take a lot
of getting use to.
Good luck!
Matthew
mid-message. I didn't know what was going on. It's going to take a lot
of getting use to.
Good luck!
Matthew
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Gjest
Re: what happened to the format?
matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com wrote:
Yikes! What happened here? It says "beta" in the upper left, so I
assume this is another attempt to fix something that wasn't broken...if
anyone can figure out where to let our opinion be known - please post
it!
Thanks, Roger
I don't like this new format one bit either. It changed on me
mid-message. I didn't know what was going on. It's going to take a
lot
of getting use to.
Good luck!
Matthew
Yikes! What happened here? It says "beta" in the upper left, so I
assume this is another attempt to fix something that wasn't broken...if
anyone can figure out where to let our opinion be known - please post
it!
Thanks, Roger
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Peter Stewart
Re: what happened to the format?
roger_tansey@ksg04.harvard.edu wrote:
I assume you are finding the new Google Groups default setting of "View
with message text" to be inconvenient.
If you want to change this to the familiar list of threads by their
subject lines, starting from the most recent post, just click on
"Viewing titles only" at the right of the screen above "Active older
topics" and the format will adjust.
Peter Stewart
matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't like this new format one bit either. It changed on me
mid-message. I didn't know what was going on. It's going to take a
lot
of getting use to.
Good luck!
Matthew
Yikes! What happened here? It says "beta" in the upper left, so I
assume this is another attempt to fix something that wasn't broken...if
anyone can figure out where to let our opinion be known - please post
it!
I assume you are finding the new Google Groups default setting of "View
with message text" to be inconvenient.
If you want to change this to the familiar list of threads by their
subject lines, starting from the most recent post, just click on
"Viewing titles only" at the right of the screen above "Active older
topics" and the format will adjust.
Peter Stewart
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Roger Tansey
Re: what happened to the format?
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<EoBrd.56007$K7.26351@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Everything is normal now. I think that last night, for some period of
time, anyone on the group was thrown into a beta version. Even
clicking into the "view titles only" button, still left us in this odd
version. This morning, everything was fine......oh well!
roger_tansey@ksg04.harvard.edu wrote:
matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't like this new format one bit either. It changed on me
mid-message. I didn't know what was going on. It's going to take a
lot
of getting use to.
Good luck!
Matthew
Yikes! What happened here? It says "beta" in the upper left, so I
assume this is another attempt to fix something that wasn't broken...if
anyone can figure out where to let our opinion be known - please post
it!
I assume you are finding the new Google Groups default setting of "View
with message text" to be inconvenient.
If you want to change this to the familiar list of threads by their
subject lines, starting from the most recent post, just click on
"Viewing titles only" at the right of the screen above "Active older
topics" and the format will adjust.
Peter Stewart
Everything is normal now. I think that last night, for some period of
time, anyone on the group was thrown into a beta version. Even
clicking into the "view titles only" button, still left us in this odd
version. This morning, everything was fine......oh well!
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Todd A. Farmerie
Re: what happened to the format?
Roger Tansey wrote:
Lest people be misled, this was not a problem with the group
soc.genealogy.medieval nor with the GEN-MEDIEVAL mailing list, but with
the web-based USENET gateway Google Groups, which some individuals use
to follow and post to soc.gen.medieval. Every once in a while, it
proves useful to describe the configuration of things, so I will take
this opportunity.
This group of people, talking about medieval genealogy, is brought
together through several different branches of the internet. It is made
up of two linked groups, the mailing list GEN-MEDIEVAL and the newsgroup
soc.genealogy.medieval.
Those participating through GEN-MEDIEVAL are subscribed to one of
several flavors of this mailing list, the two most popular being the
List-mode and the Digest-mode. For subscribers to the List-mode, all
messages submitted to the list are immediately sent to each of them,
while the Digest-mode combines a number of posts (usually one to two
dozen - it is accually determined by cumulative size and not number of
posts) and sends them all at once to each recipient as a single email
message. In order to submit messages to the mailing list address, one
must be a mailing list subscriber. The messages pass by a directed
mechanism - a submitter sends it by email directly to the home list
server (at RootsWeb), and that computer then sends an individual email
directly to each recipient.
The other half of the group is the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup.
This was the original group, the mailing list being set up as an
alternative means by which one could participate in this newsgroup.
Newsgroups operate by an entirely different system than email, called
USENET. Each internet service provider maintains a news server, and
there they keep a folder for each newsgroup. Any time their server
talks to another server, they compare their folders and exchange any
novel messages. Hence, unlike the directed passage of email, news
messages pass through USENET by diffusion (or like a viral infection,
getting passed to anyone who hasn't had it yet). To view these
messages, you go to your ISPs news server and look at the folder to see
what is there. To submit a message, it is sent to the ISP's folder for
the group, from which it diffuses outward to the rest of the world. It
should be kept in mind that while email usually takes minute to a few
hours, USENET can take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the
patterns by which computers talk to each other.
To link these two together, there is a gateway at Rootsweb which passes
messages from each to the other. Any new news message that comes in is
submitted as an email to the mailing list, and any mailing list
submission is placed in the news folder, to be distributed by USENET.
(At least that is how it is supposed to work, but sometimes not every
message makes it across.)
Finally, because news servers can be tricky, and many users (and ISPs)
have problems figuring them out, several independent companies have set
up systems that present USENET newsgroups in a web-page-based format.
These take all of the newsgroup messages (for all of the newsgroups, not
just soc.gen.med) and reconfigure them such that they can be viewed via
the World Wide Web (yet another part of the Internet, distinct both from
email and USENET). To participate here, the reader directs their web
brouser to the web page specific to the group they are interested in,
and view the messages as they are arranged by the host. They submit the
message to a web form, which then converts it to a news message and puts
it into a folder on the news server, from which it then diffuses. The
most popular of these is Google Groups (formerly Deja.com, formerly
DejaNews). For a message to appear here, it frequently takes much
longer, as to the diffusion across USENET must be added the time to
configure the arriving messages for the web format and add them to the
page - Google only updates every several hours, which adds a further delay.
Thus there are numerous ways to participate, each with benefits and
disadvantages. Please bear this in mind when communicating with the group.
Everything is normal now. I think that last night, for some period of
time, anyone on the group was thrown into a beta version. Even
clicking into the "view titles only" button, still left us in this odd
version. This morning, everything was fine......oh well!
Lest people be misled, this was not a problem with the group
soc.genealogy.medieval nor with the GEN-MEDIEVAL mailing list, but with
the web-based USENET gateway Google Groups, which some individuals use
to follow and post to soc.gen.medieval. Every once in a while, it
proves useful to describe the configuration of things, so I will take
this opportunity.
This group of people, talking about medieval genealogy, is brought
together through several different branches of the internet. It is made
up of two linked groups, the mailing list GEN-MEDIEVAL and the newsgroup
soc.genealogy.medieval.
Those participating through GEN-MEDIEVAL are subscribed to one of
several flavors of this mailing list, the two most popular being the
List-mode and the Digest-mode. For subscribers to the List-mode, all
messages submitted to the list are immediately sent to each of them,
while the Digest-mode combines a number of posts (usually one to two
dozen - it is accually determined by cumulative size and not number of
posts) and sends them all at once to each recipient as a single email
message. In order to submit messages to the mailing list address, one
must be a mailing list subscriber. The messages pass by a directed
mechanism - a submitter sends it by email directly to the home list
server (at RootsWeb), and that computer then sends an individual email
directly to each recipient.
The other half of the group is the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup.
This was the original group, the mailing list being set up as an
alternative means by which one could participate in this newsgroup.
Newsgroups operate by an entirely different system than email, called
USENET. Each internet service provider maintains a news server, and
there they keep a folder for each newsgroup. Any time their server
talks to another server, they compare their folders and exchange any
novel messages. Hence, unlike the directed passage of email, news
messages pass through USENET by diffusion (or like a viral infection,
getting passed to anyone who hasn't had it yet). To view these
messages, you go to your ISPs news server and look at the folder to see
what is there. To submit a message, it is sent to the ISP's folder for
the group, from which it diffuses outward to the rest of the world. It
should be kept in mind that while email usually takes minute to a few
hours, USENET can take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the
patterns by which computers talk to each other.
To link these two together, there is a gateway at Rootsweb which passes
messages from each to the other. Any new news message that comes in is
submitted as an email to the mailing list, and any mailing list
submission is placed in the news folder, to be distributed by USENET.
(At least that is how it is supposed to work, but sometimes not every
message makes it across.)
Finally, because news servers can be tricky, and many users (and ISPs)
have problems figuring them out, several independent companies have set
up systems that present USENET newsgroups in a web-page-based format.
These take all of the newsgroup messages (for all of the newsgroups, not
just soc.gen.med) and reconfigure them such that they can be viewed via
the World Wide Web (yet another part of the Internet, distinct both from
email and USENET). To participate here, the reader directs their web
brouser to the web page specific to the group they are interested in,
and view the messages as they are arranged by the host. They submit the
message to a web form, which then converts it to a news message and puts
it into a folder on the news server, from which it then diffuses. The
most popular of these is Google Groups (formerly Deja.com, formerly
DejaNews). For a message to appear here, it frequently takes much
longer, as to the diffusion across USENET must be added the time to
configure the arriving messages for the web format and add them to the
page - Google only updates every several hours, which adds a further delay.
Thus there are numerous ways to participate, each with benefits and
disadvantages. Please bear this in mind when communicating with the group.