Happy Holidays to All!
It appears now that the former report that Senator Kerry was descended
from Sinai Loew, the brother of the Maharal of Prague, may have been
false. The surname was a common one and no sure link has been found to
connect the families, who were also separated by many miles. There may
still be a connection, but it has not been documented. I am going to
ask Cam Kerry, the Senator's brother who is a practicing Jew, whether
or not his family (orginally named Kohn) were kohanim, descended from
the priestly line, and I'll report that back to the group if anything
further is known. Apparently their grand/great uncle dropped a pen on
a map and it landed on County Kerry, so he adopted that name, as did
his brother later.
On a side note, I am currently working out the chronology of the high
priests for my future website, and awaiting some more information on
the Roquefeuil ancestors. Thanksgiving has slowed down the email
process, with everyone extra busy, so I'll get back to the group as
soon as I can.
Matthew
Senator Kerry and Sinai
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Senator Kerry and Sinai
Fred [Kohn] Kerry, John Kerry's paternal grandfather, committed suicide
at age 48, in the men's room of Boston's Copley Plaza Hotel in November
1921 -- by shooting himself in the head -- so the story goes.
Fred had apparently suffered severe financial reverses in the shoe
business ---- but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
money to Ida and the kids.
How did he do that?
Cam Kerry. We certainly didn't hear much about HIM during the campaign.
Where does he hang his hat and what does he do?
DSH
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:145.39ef93ce.2ede03ba@aol.com...
| In a message dated 11/30/2004 1:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com writes:
|
| > Cam Kerry, the Senator's brother who is a practicing Jew, whether
| > or not his family (orginally named Kohn) were kohanim,
|
| Could you explain for the group, how his brother became a "practicing
Jew" ?
| And you don't question the possibility of Cam knowing the answer
correctly?
|
| "Fred, Ida and their first son Erich were all baptized as Catholics.
And in
| 1905, the young family immigrated to America. After entering through
Ellis
| Island, the family first lived in Chicago and then settled in Boston.
Fred and Ida
| had two more children in America, Mildred (1910) and Richard (1915).
|
| Fred and Ida and their three children lived in Brookline, where Fred
became a
| prominent man in the shoe business and regularly attended Sunday
Catholic
| church services. Fred did not tell and no one would have guessed that
the family
| had Jewish roots. "
| http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenea ... _kerry.htm
|
| Will Johnson
at age 48, in the men's room of Boston's Copley Plaza Hotel in November
1921 -- by shooting himself in the head -- so the story goes.
Fred had apparently suffered severe financial reverses in the shoe
business ---- but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
money to Ida and the kids.
How did he do that?
Cam Kerry. We certainly didn't hear much about HIM during the campaign.
Where does he hang his hat and what does he do?
DSH
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:145.39ef93ce.2ede03ba@aol.com...
| In a message dated 11/30/2004 1:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com writes:
|
| > Cam Kerry, the Senator's brother who is a practicing Jew, whether
| > or not his family (orginally named Kohn) were kohanim,
|
| Could you explain for the group, how his brother became a "practicing
Jew" ?
| And you don't question the possibility of Cam knowing the answer
correctly?
|
| "Fred, Ida and their first son Erich were all baptized as Catholics.
And in
| 1905, the young family immigrated to America. After entering through
Ellis
| Island, the family first lived in Chicago and then settled in Boston.
Fred and Ida
| had two more children in America, Mildred (1910) and Richard (1915).
|
| Fred and Ida and their three children lived in Brookline, where Fred
became a
| prominent man in the shoe business and regularly attended Sunday
Catholic
| church services. Fred did not tell and no one would have guessed that
the family
| had Jewish roots. "
| http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenea ... _kerry.htm
|
| Will Johnson
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Senator Kerry and Sinai
Ida and the kids were by no means destitute after Fred killed himself --
according to some reports.
The clear implication is that Fred managed to shelter, hide, whatever,
quite a sum of money from the creditors.
Are you implying that all the money comes from the Forbes Family and
Richard Kerry had none of his own?
How did he go to Harvard and marry Rosemary Forbes?
DSH
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1ce.2d46d314.2ede11dc@aol.com...
| In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
|
| > but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
| > money to Ida and the kids.
| >
| > How did he do that?
| >
|
| "Fred, who worked as an accountant at his uncle's shoe factory,
married Ida
| Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest....Fred, who worked as an
accountant at
| his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida Loewe, a Jewish musician from
Budapest.
| Richard was six years old when his father committed suicide.... He
married
| Rosemary Forbes, the beneficiary of the Forbes family trusts. The
Forbes family
| amassed a huge fortune in China trade. "
|
| What makes you think that Fred had a lot of money?
| Will
according to some reports.
The clear implication is that Fred managed to shelter, hide, whatever,
quite a sum of money from the creditors.
Are you implying that all the money comes from the Forbes Family and
Richard Kerry had none of his own?
How did he go to Harvard and marry Rosemary Forbes?
DSH
<WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1ce.2d46d314.2ede11dc@aol.com...
| In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
|
| > but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
| > money to Ida and the kids.
| >
| > How did he do that?
| >
|
| "Fred, who worked as an accountant at his uncle's shoe factory,
married Ida
| Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest....Fred, who worked as an
accountant at
| his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida Loewe, a Jewish musician from
Budapest.
| Richard was six years old when his father committed suicide.... He
married
| Rosemary Forbes, the beneficiary of the Forbes family trusts. The
Forbes family
| amassed a huge fortune in China trade. "
|
| What makes you think that Fred had a lot of money?
| Will
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Gjest
Re: Senator Kerry and Sinai
In a message dated 11/30/2004 1:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com writes:
Could you explain for the group, how his brother became a "practicing Jew" ?
And you don't question the possibility of Cam knowing the answer correctly?
"Fred, Ida and their first son Erich were all baptized as Catholics. And in
1905, the young family immigrated to America. After entering through Ellis
Island, the family first lived in Chicago and then settled in Boston. Fred and Ida
had two more children in America, Mildred (1910) and Richard (1915).
Fred and Ida and their three children lived in Brookline, where Fred became a
prominent man in the shoe business and regularly attended Sunday Catholic
church services. Fred did not tell and no one would have guessed that the family
had Jewish roots. "
http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenea ... _kerry.htm
Will Johnson
matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com writes:
Cam Kerry, the Senator's brother who is a practicing Jew, whether
or not his family (orginally named Kohn) were kohanim,
Could you explain for the group, how his brother became a "practicing Jew" ?
And you don't question the possibility of Cam knowing the answer correctly?
"Fred, Ida and their first son Erich were all baptized as Catholics. And in
1905, the young family immigrated to America. After entering through Ellis
Island, the family first lived in Chicago and then settled in Boston. Fred and Ida
had two more children in America, Mildred (1910) and Richard (1915).
Fred and Ida and their three children lived in Brookline, where Fred became a
prominent man in the shoe business and regularly attended Sunday Catholic
church services. Fred did not tell and no one would have guessed that the family
had Jewish roots. "
http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenea ... _kerry.htm
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Senator Kerry and Sinai
In a message dated 11/30/2004 9:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
"Fred, who worked as an accountant at his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida
Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest....Fred, who worked as an accountant at
his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest.
Richard was six years old when his father committed suicide.... He married
Rosemary Forbes, the beneficiary of the Forbes family trusts. The Forbes family
amassed a huge fortune in China trade. "
What makes you think that Fred had a lot of money?
Will
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:
but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
money to Ida and the kids.
How did he do that?
"Fred, who worked as an accountant at his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida
Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest....Fred, who worked as an accountant at
his uncle's shoe factory, married Ida Loewe, a Jewish musician from Budapest.
Richard was six years old when his father committed suicide.... He married
Rosemary Forbes, the beneficiary of the Forbes family trusts. The Forbes family
amassed a huge fortune in China trade. "
What makes you think that Fred had a lot of money?
Will
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Matthew Rockefeller
OT Re: Senator Kerry and Sinai
Cameron, the Senator's brother, is a prominent lawyer in Boston.
We're getting off topic, but I've been asked before on a few
occassions why it seems "the rich" marry "the rich". I think there are
two obvious answers, one being less true today. The first is that they
socialize with people of their class, and that goes for all folks.
Typically middle class folk marry middle class members, and lower
classmen marry those of the lower classes. It's not just among the
wealthier parts of society that marriage within their class occurs.
Second, in times past, many marriages were encouraged if not almost
arranged by families, because of their common standing. To marry
"below your station" was considered a mortal sin, as ridiculous as all
that is. Now that trend has bitten the dust, which is evident in
modern royals. Half of modern royalty are marrying "below their
station", which as much as I hate to see inbreed royalty die, may be
for the best in some cases to at least get some fresh blood in the
mix.
Another common misconception is that only royalty and rednecks are
inbreed, but that just isn't the case. Until travel and communcation
was upgraded with modern techonology, people usually married someone
in their village, who often times was probably a third or fourth
cousin.
Also, I don't think many people realize how few self-made billionaires
there are anymore. Not that they don't exist, but for instance Bill
Gates's father, William H. Gates Jr, is a millionare, and Donald
Trump's father, Fred, started the family business of real estate, just
to name a couple. I mean they amassed their fortunes personally, but
they had a little something to start with, that's all. On the flip
side you do have families such as the Waltons of Wal-Mart fame, the
richest family in the world according to Forbes, whose original
founder, Sam Walton, started off penniless and led the company to
success, so it does still happen.
Matthew
We're getting off topic, but I've been asked before on a few
occassions why it seems "the rich" marry "the rich". I think there are
two obvious answers, one being less true today. The first is that they
socialize with people of their class, and that goes for all folks.
Typically middle class folk marry middle class members, and lower
classmen marry those of the lower classes. It's not just among the
wealthier parts of society that marriage within their class occurs.
Second, in times past, many marriages were encouraged if not almost
arranged by families, because of their common standing. To marry
"below your station" was considered a mortal sin, as ridiculous as all
that is. Now that trend has bitten the dust, which is evident in
modern royals. Half of modern royalty are marrying "below their
station", which as much as I hate to see inbreed royalty die, may be
for the best in some cases to at least get some fresh blood in the
mix.
Another common misconception is that only royalty and rednecks are
inbreed, but that just isn't the case. Until travel and communcation
was upgraded with modern techonology, people usually married someone
in their village, who often times was probably a third or fourth
cousin.
Also, I don't think many people realize how few self-made billionaires
there are anymore. Not that they don't exist, but for instance Bill
Gates's father, William H. Gates Jr, is a millionare, and Donald
Trump's father, Fred, started the family business of real estate, just
to name a couple. I mean they amassed their fortunes personally, but
they had a little something to start with, that's all. On the flip
side you do have families such as the Waltons of Wal-Mart fame, the
richest family in the world according to Forbes, whose original
founder, Sam Walton, started off penniless and led the company to
success, so it does still happen.
Matthew
Fred [Kohn] Kerry, John Kerry's paternal grandfather, committed suicide
at age 48, in the men's room of Boston's Copley Plaza Hotel in November
1921 -- by shooting himself in the head -- so the story goes.
Fred had apparently suffered severe financial reverses in the shoe
business ---- but he DOES seem to have passed on a significant amount of
money to Ida and the kids.
How did he do that?
Cam Kerry. We certainly didn't hear much about HIM during the campaign.
Where does he hang his hat and what does he do?
DSH
WJhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:145.39ef93ce.2ede03ba@aol.com...
| In a message dated 11/30/2004 1:58:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| matthew_rockefeller@yahoo.com writes:
|
| > Cam Kerry, the Senator's brother who is a practicing Jew, whether
| > or not his family (orginally named Kohn) were kohanim,
|
| Could you explain for the group, how his brother became a "practicing
Jew" ?
| And you don't question the possibility of Cam knowing the answer
correctly?
|
| "Fred, Ida and their first son Erich were all baptized as Catholics.
And in
| 1905, the young family immigrated to America. After entering through
Ellis
| Island, the family first lived in Chicago and then settled in Boston.
Fred and Ida
| had two more children in America, Mildred (1910) and Richard (1915).
|
| Fred and Ida and their three children lived in Brookline, where Fred
became a
| prominent man in the shoe business and regularly attended Sunday
Catholic
| church services. Fred did not tell and no one would have guessed that
the family
| had Jewish roots. "
| http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishgenea ... _kerry.htm
|
| Will Johnson