Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
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Douglas Richardson
Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Dear Newsgroup ~
The colonial immigrant, Agnes (Harris) (Spencer) Edwards (1604-c.
1680), of Hartford, Connecticut, is a descendant of the Fitz Nichol
family of Gloucestershire and Somersetshire. The Fitz Nichol family
are a cadet branch of the ancient baronial Berkeley family. A good
account of this family can be found in Hal Bradley's great database at
the following web address:
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi ... &id=I15914
Recently, while I was going through some early Bristol charters, I
encountered a charter for an early Fitz Nichol ancestor, Nicholas Fitz
Roger (died 1262), of Tickenham, Somerset, and Hull and Nimpsfield,
Gloucestershire. A copy of the modern transcript is provided below.
The charter is significant, as it reveals for the first time that
Nicholas Fitz Roger had two wives, Sibyl and Wenthlian. Previously
only the first wife, Sibyl, was known (see Smyth, Lives of the
Berkeleys, vol. 1, pg. 47).
Date: Mid-13th cent.: before 1262
"Charter of Nicholas, son of Roger, granting, for the health of his
soul and the souls of Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and of his
ancestors and heirs, to God and the Blessed Mary and the Blessed Mark
and to Henry de Gaunt, master of the almonry of St. Mark, &c., and the
chaplains and clerks of the same, and their successors in free, pure
and perpetual alms, the right of digging peat on his moor of Tykeham
and of cutting and collecting sedges and rushes for their use when
they shall think fit, with appurtenances necessary thereto: to hold
this right freely and quietly, &c., answering to none save God in
their prayers. They may have three men working there daily in
suitable and accustomed places at times when others are accustomed to
dig and cut, but they shall not despoil his or his heirs' crops or
meadow if, through his industry or that of his [heirs], the moor
should be brought into cultivation or converted to meadow. The
master, chaplains and clerks, for themselves and their successors,
have freely admitted Nicholas, Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and
their children and ancestors to share in all good works to be done in
the almonry for ever, and will celebrate annual obits for him and his
wives with due ceremony. Warranty and sealing clauses. 'Hiis
testibus dominis Matheo de Cliuedon. Ada de Aston. Nicholao de la
More. Johanne de Salso marisco. Willelmo de Tilly militibus.
Radulpho de Cern' Clerico. Johanne de Capenore. Willelmo le Veym.
Matheo de Baggepath'. R. de Chaundos. Henrico de Lichefeld Clerico
qui hanc cartam composuit. et multis aliis.' " END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: C.D. Ross, Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol
(Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21) (1959): 262].
The above charter was subsequently confirmed by Sir Nicholas Fitz
Ralph (died 1312), grandson of the above Nicholas Fitz Roger, as
follows:
Date: 1291-1312
"Confirmation by sir Nicholas, son of Ralph, lord of Tykeham, of the
preceding charter. Sealing clause. 'Hiis testibus Ricardo Arthur.
Simone de Astone militibus. Ricardo de Rodney. Willelmo de Gatcombe.
Willelmo de Lyouns. Roberto Bavent. Thomas Bernewode. Olivero de
Estwode. Matheo de Snowdon et aliis.' "
Date: 1291-1312
Confirmation [French] by Nicholas le fiz Rauf to John Beneit, reeve of
Tykeham, that he has confirmed his ancestor's grant to the 'Meistre de
Bileswyk' and the chaplains and clerks there, of the right to dig
peat, &c., on his moor of Tykeham, and order to John to permit them to
dig peat, &c. accordingly." END OF QUOTE. [Reference: C.D. Ross,
Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol (Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21)
(1959): 263].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
The colonial immigrant, Agnes (Harris) (Spencer) Edwards (1604-c.
1680), of Hartford, Connecticut, is a descendant of the Fitz Nichol
family of Gloucestershire and Somersetshire. The Fitz Nichol family
are a cadet branch of the ancient baronial Berkeley family. A good
account of this family can be found in Hal Bradley's great database at
the following web address:
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi ... &id=I15914
Recently, while I was going through some early Bristol charters, I
encountered a charter for an early Fitz Nichol ancestor, Nicholas Fitz
Roger (died 1262), of Tickenham, Somerset, and Hull and Nimpsfield,
Gloucestershire. A copy of the modern transcript is provided below.
The charter is significant, as it reveals for the first time that
Nicholas Fitz Roger had two wives, Sibyl and Wenthlian. Previously
only the first wife, Sibyl, was known (see Smyth, Lives of the
Berkeleys, vol. 1, pg. 47).
Date: Mid-13th cent.: before 1262
"Charter of Nicholas, son of Roger, granting, for the health of his
soul and the souls of Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and of his
ancestors and heirs, to God and the Blessed Mary and the Blessed Mark
and to Henry de Gaunt, master of the almonry of St. Mark, &c., and the
chaplains and clerks of the same, and their successors in free, pure
and perpetual alms, the right of digging peat on his moor of Tykeham
and of cutting and collecting sedges and rushes for their use when
they shall think fit, with appurtenances necessary thereto: to hold
this right freely and quietly, &c., answering to none save God in
their prayers. They may have three men working there daily in
suitable and accustomed places at times when others are accustomed to
dig and cut, but they shall not despoil his or his heirs' crops or
meadow if, through his industry or that of his [heirs], the moor
should be brought into cultivation or converted to meadow. The
master, chaplains and clerks, for themselves and their successors,
have freely admitted Nicholas, Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and
their children and ancestors to share in all good works to be done in
the almonry for ever, and will celebrate annual obits for him and his
wives with due ceremony. Warranty and sealing clauses. 'Hiis
testibus dominis Matheo de Cliuedon. Ada de Aston. Nicholao de la
More. Johanne de Salso marisco. Willelmo de Tilly militibus.
Radulpho de Cern' Clerico. Johanne de Capenore. Willelmo le Veym.
Matheo de Baggepath'. R. de Chaundos. Henrico de Lichefeld Clerico
qui hanc cartam composuit. et multis aliis.' " END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: C.D. Ross, Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol
(Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21) (1959): 262].
The above charter was subsequently confirmed by Sir Nicholas Fitz
Ralph (died 1312), grandson of the above Nicholas Fitz Roger, as
follows:
Date: 1291-1312
"Confirmation by sir Nicholas, son of Ralph, lord of Tykeham, of the
preceding charter. Sealing clause. 'Hiis testibus Ricardo Arthur.
Simone de Astone militibus. Ricardo de Rodney. Willelmo de Gatcombe.
Willelmo de Lyouns. Roberto Bavent. Thomas Bernewode. Olivero de
Estwode. Matheo de Snowdon et aliis.' "
Date: 1291-1312
Confirmation [French] by Nicholas le fiz Rauf to John Beneit, reeve of
Tykeham, that he has confirmed his ancestor's grant to the 'Meistre de
Bileswyk' and the chaplains and clerks there, of the right to dig
peat, &c., on his moor of Tykeham, and order to John to permit them to
dig peat, &c. accordingly." END OF QUOTE. [Reference: C.D. Ross,
Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol (Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21)
(1959): 263].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Peter Stewart
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Who are you trying to kid now?
There is nothing of substance in this post AT ALL - it's just a rehash
of information published in 1959, along with a specious implication that
no-one knew it until that time becasue it hadn't been included in a book
published long before, and that somehow it is new-minted again by you
today for our edification.
Surely the newsgroup doesn't require lengthy & tedious updates on every
little snippet of stale news that Douglas Richardson gleans from
browsing charter summaries published 45 years ago. A professional ought
to get on with his work without having to draw unnecessary attention to
himself every five minutes.
Even as yet another teaser for his book this increasing frequent type of
post is an undignified low.
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson wrote:
There is nothing of substance in this post AT ALL - it's just a rehash
of information published in 1959, along with a specious implication that
no-one knew it until that time becasue it hadn't been included in a book
published long before, and that somehow it is new-minted again by you
today for our edification.
Surely the newsgroup doesn't require lengthy & tedious updates on every
little snippet of stale news that Douglas Richardson gleans from
browsing charter summaries published 45 years ago. A professional ought
to get on with his work without having to draw unnecessary attention to
himself every five minutes.
Even as yet another teaser for his book this increasing frequent type of
post is an undignified low.
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
The colonial immigrant, Agnes (Harris) (Spencer) Edwards (1604-c.
1680), of Hartford, Connecticut, is a descendant of the Fitz Nichol
family of Gloucestershire and Somersetshire. The Fitz Nichol family
are a cadet branch of the ancient baronial Berkeley family. A good
account of this family can be found in Hal Bradley's great database at
the following web address:
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi ... &id=I15914
Recently, while I was going through some early Bristol charters, I
encountered a charter for an early Fitz Nichol ancestor, Nicholas Fitz
Roger (died 1262), of Tickenham, Somerset, and Hull and Nimpsfield,
Gloucestershire. A copy of the modern transcript is provided below.
The charter is significant, as it reveals for the first time that
Nicholas Fitz Roger had two wives, Sibyl and Wenthlian. Previously
only the first wife, Sibyl, was known (see Smyth, Lives of the
Berkeleys, vol. 1, pg. 47).
Date: Mid-13th cent.: before 1262
"Charter of Nicholas, son of Roger, granting, for the health of his
soul and the souls of Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and of his
ancestors and heirs, to God and the Blessed Mary and the Blessed Mark
and to Henry de Gaunt, master of the almonry of St. Mark, &c., and the
chaplains and clerks of the same, and their successors in free, pure
and perpetual alms, the right of digging peat on his moor of Tykeham
and of cutting and collecting sedges and rushes for their use when
they shall think fit, with appurtenances necessary thereto: to hold
this right freely and quietly, &c., answering to none save God in
their prayers. They may have three men working there daily in
suitable and accustomed places at times when others are accustomed to
dig and cut, but they shall not despoil his or his heirs' crops or
meadow if, through his industry or that of his [heirs], the moor
should be brought into cultivation or converted to meadow. The
master, chaplains and clerks, for themselves and their successors,
have freely admitted Nicholas, Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and
their children and ancestors to share in all good works to be done in
the almonry for ever, and will celebrate annual obits for him and his
wives with due ceremony. Warranty and sealing clauses. 'Hiis
testibus dominis Matheo de Cliuedon. Ada de Aston. Nicholao de la
More. Johanne de Salso marisco. Willelmo de Tilly militibus.
Radulpho de Cern' Clerico. Johanne de Capenore. Willelmo le Veym.
Matheo de Baggepath'. R. de Chaundos. Henrico de Lichefeld Clerico
qui hanc cartam composuit. et multis aliis.' " END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: C.D. Ross, Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol
(Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21) (1959): 262].
The above charter was subsequently confirmed by Sir Nicholas Fitz
Ralph (died 1312), grandson of the above Nicholas Fitz Roger, as
follows:
Date: 1291-1312
"Confirmation by sir Nicholas, son of Ralph, lord of Tykeham, of the
preceding charter. Sealing clause. 'Hiis testibus Ricardo Arthur.
Simone de Astone militibus. Ricardo de Rodney. Willelmo de Gatcombe.
Willelmo de Lyouns. Roberto Bavent. Thomas Bernewode. Olivero de
Estwode. Matheo de Snowdon et aliis.' "
Date: 1291-1312
Confirmation [French] by Nicholas le fiz Rauf to John Beneit, reeve of
Tykeham, that he has confirmed his ancestor's grant to the 'Meistre de
Bileswyk' and the chaplains and clerks there, of the right to dig
peat, &c., on his moor of Tykeham, and order to John to permit them to
dig peat, &c. accordingly." END OF QUOTE. [Reference: C.D. Ross,
Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol (Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21)
(1959): 263].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Dear Peter ~
Are your panties in a bunch - again? You're supposed to put one leg
in at a time, not both of them. Now try it again .... go real slow.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<ZGDqd.52558$K7.39624@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Are your panties in a bunch - again? You're supposed to put one leg
in at a time, not both of them. Now try it again .... go real slow.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<ZGDqd.52558$K7.39624@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Who are you trying to kid now?
There is nothing of substance in this post AT ALL - it's just a rehash
of information published in 1959, along with a specious implication that
no-one knew it until that time becasue it hadn't been included in a book
published long before, and that somehow it is new-minted again by you
today for our edification.
Surely the newsgroup doesn't require lengthy & tedious updates on every
little snippet of stale news that Douglas Richardson gleans from
browsing charter summaries published 45 years ago. A professional ought
to get on with his work without having to draw unnecessary attention to
himself every five minutes.
Even as yet another teaser for his book this increasing frequent type of
post is an undignified low.
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~
The colonial immigrant, Agnes (Harris) (Spencer) Edwards (1604-c.
1680), of Hartford, Connecticut, is a descendant of the Fitz Nichol
family of Gloucestershire and Somersetshire. The Fitz Nichol family
are a cadet branch of the ancient baronial Berkeley family. A good
account of this family can be found in Hal Bradley's great database at
the following web address:
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi ... &id=I15914
Recently, while I was going through some early Bristol charters, I
encountered a charter for an early Fitz Nichol ancestor, Nicholas Fitz
Roger (died 1262), of Tickenham, Somerset, and Hull and Nimpsfield,
Gloucestershire. A copy of the modern transcript is provided below.
The charter is significant, as it reveals for the first time that
Nicholas Fitz Roger had two wives, Sibyl and Wenthlian. Previously
only the first wife, Sibyl, was known (see Smyth, Lives of the
Berkeleys, vol. 1, pg. 47).
Date: Mid-13th cent.: before 1262
"Charter of Nicholas, son of Roger, granting, for the health of his
soul and the souls of Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and of his
ancestors and heirs, to God and the Blessed Mary and the Blessed Mark
and to Henry de Gaunt, master of the almonry of St. Mark, &c., and the
chaplains and clerks of the same, and their successors in free, pure
and perpetual alms, the right of digging peat on his moor of Tykeham
and of cutting and collecting sedges and rushes for their use when
they shall think fit, with appurtenances necessary thereto: to hold
this right freely and quietly, &c., answering to none save God in
their prayers. They may have three men working there daily in
suitable and accustomed places at times when others are accustomed to
dig and cut, but they shall not despoil his or his heirs' crops or
meadow if, through his industry or that of his [heirs], the moor
should be brought into cultivation or converted to meadow. The
master, chaplains and clerks, for themselves and their successors,
have freely admitted Nicholas, Sibilla and Wentleyana, his wives, and
their children and ancestors to share in all good works to be done in
the almonry for ever, and will celebrate annual obits for him and his
wives with due ceremony. Warranty and sealing clauses. 'Hiis
testibus dominis Matheo de Cliuedon. Ada de Aston. Nicholao de la
More. Johanne de Salso marisco. Willelmo de Tilly militibus.
Radulpho de Cern' Clerico. Johanne de Capenore. Willelmo le Veym.
Matheo de Baggepath'. R. de Chaundos. Henrico de Lichefeld Clerico
qui hanc cartam composuit. et multis aliis.' " END OF QUOTE.
[Reference: C.D. Ross, Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol
(Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21) (1959): 262].
The above charter was subsequently confirmed by Sir Nicholas Fitz
Ralph (died 1312), grandson of the above Nicholas Fitz Roger, as
follows:
Date: 1291-1312
"Confirmation by sir Nicholas, son of Ralph, lord of Tykeham, of the
preceding charter. Sealing clause. 'Hiis testibus Ricardo Arthur.
Simone de Astone militibus. Ricardo de Rodney. Willelmo de Gatcombe.
Willelmo de Lyouns. Roberto Bavent. Thomas Bernewode. Olivero de
Estwode. Matheo de Snowdon et aliis.' "
Date: 1291-1312
Confirmation [French] by Nicholas le fiz Rauf to John Beneit, reeve of
Tykeham, that he has confirmed his ancestor's grant to the 'Meistre de
Bileswyk' and the chaplains and clerks there, of the right to dig
peat, &c., on his moor of Tykeham, and order to John to permit them to
dig peat, &c. accordingly." END OF QUOTE. [Reference: C.D. Ross,
Cartulary of St. Mark's Hospital Bristol (Bristol Rec. Soc. Pubs. 21)
(1959): 263].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: http://www.royalancestry.net
-
Peter Stewart
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Nothing to say for himself again, so we're back to underwear....
And Spencer is not a whit better in controversy when it goes against
him, reduced to irrelevant twitterings & biblical references after he
came a series of croppers over "dayne" having suggested placing 120
acres within a cottage's curtilage.
Pathetic, both.
Peter Stewart
Dear Peter ~
Are your panties in a bunch - again? You're supposed to put one leg
in at a time, not both of them. Now try it again .... go real slow.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Nothing to say for himself again, so we're back to underwear....
And Spencer is not a whit better in controversy when it goes against
him, reduced to irrelevant twitterings & biblical references after he
came a series of croppers over "dayne" having suggested placing 120
acres within a cottage's curtilage.
Pathetic, both.
Peter Stewart
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Douglas Richardson
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<MGLqd.52826$K7.42671@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Actually I finished what I had to say about the Fitz Nichol family.
I've moved onto the Roumare family. I suggest you join me over in
that thread.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Nothing to say for himself again, so we're back to underwear....
Peter Stewart
Actually I finished what I had to say about the Fitz Nichol family.
I've moved onto the Roumare family. I suggest you join me over in
that thread.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Peter Stewart
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Douglas Richardson wrote:
What you "had to say" about the Fitz Nichol family was finished before
you started - it was NOTHING, just parrotting what someone else had
summarised for the record in 1959, while trying to seem helpful &
pretending to offer new information.
What you had to post about William de Roumare's irregular divorce is
certainly worthwhile, but I have nothing to add except to note the
pope's delightfully comic turn in ordering that "he must with grief
grant his second wife her conjugal dues". Poor lady.
But you can't weasel out of yet another exercise in futility by doing
better on a different subject.
Peter Stewart
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<MGLqd.52826$K7.42671@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Nothing to say for himself again, so we're back to underwear....
Peter Stewart
Actually I finished what I had to say about the Fitz Nichol family.
I've moved onto the Roumare family. I suggest you join me over in
that thread.
What you "had to say" about the Fitz Nichol family was finished before
you started - it was NOTHING, just parrotting what someone else had
summarised for the record in 1959, while trying to seem helpful &
pretending to offer new information.
What you had to post about William de Roumare's irregular divorce is
certainly worthwhile, but I have nothing to add except to note the
pope's delightfully comic turn in ordering that "he must with grief
grant his second wife her conjugal dues". Poor lady.
But you can't weasel out of yet another exercise in futility by doing
better on a different subject.
Peter Stewart
-
Douglas Richardson
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<yIUqd.53323$K7.21838@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
Dear Peter ~
I didn't pretend to do anything. I posted an accurate record relating
to a member of the early Fitz Nichol family. You pretended not to
notice. Shame on you.
By the way, how is your research on cognatus coming? Have you found
any post Conquest examples of the word meaning "brother-in-law" yet?
If so, I'd love to see them. Get back to me when you have something
for us. OK?
Waiting in extreme anticipation (but not waiting forever),
Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
What you "had to say" about the Fitz Nichol family was finished before
you started - it was NOTHING, just parrotting what someone else had
summarised for the record in 1959, while trying to seem helpful &
pretending to offer new information.
Peter Stewart
Dear Peter ~
I didn't pretend to do anything. I posted an accurate record relating
to a member of the early Fitz Nichol family. You pretended not to
notice. Shame on you.
By the way, how is your research on cognatus coming? Have you found
any post Conquest examples of the word meaning "brother-in-law" yet?
If so, I'd love to see them. Get back to me when you have something
for us. OK?
Waiting in extreme anticipation (but not waiting forever),
Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Peter Stewart
Re: Fitz Nichol Family of Somersetshire and Gloucestershire
Douglas Richardson wrote:
Well, here's another new way to make a fool of yourself - that makes
three this week.
My point about "cognatus" has already been thoroughly proved, as
sensible SGM readers know.
I am not undertaking any research on your behalf. If you want an
assistant, hire one.
Peter Stewart
Peter Stewart <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message news:<yIUqd.53323$K7.21838@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
What you "had to say" about the Fitz Nichol family was finished before
you started - it was NOTHING, just parrotting what someone else had
summarised for the record in 1959, while trying to seem helpful &
pretending to offer new information.
Peter Stewart
Dear Peter ~
I didn't pretend to do anything. I posted an accurate record relating
to a member of the early Fitz Nichol family. You pretended not to
notice. Shame on you.
By the way, how is your research on cognatus coming? Have you found
any post Conquest examples of the word meaning "brother-in-law" yet?
If so, I'd love to see them. Get back to me when you have something
for us. OK?
Waiting in extreme anticipation (but not waiting forever),
Well, here's another new way to make a fool of yourself - that makes
three this week.
My point about "cognatus" has already been thoroughly proved, as
sensible SGM readers know.
I am not undertaking any research on your behalf. If you want an
assistant, hire one.
Peter Stewart