I am trying to see if anyone has information on Elen wife of Hywel Dda.
I have been trying to figure out who exactly were her parents. I have been
looking at Leo's site and he is showing her as the Daughter of Llywarch ap
Hyfaidd. However, I have been reading the book "A History of Wales" by John
Davies and on p. 85 he has written the following "About 904, Llywarch ap
Hyfaidd, King of Dyfed, died; his kingdom came into the possession of Hywel
ap Cadell ap Rhodri, the ruler of Seisyllwg and the husband of Elen,
Llywarch's sister."
I would appreciate a little feed back as to which might be correct in this
matter. I have also been looking through a lot of various websites and
there is conflicting information there as well.
Best Regards,
Theresa
Elen Ferch Llywarch
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Theresa Opel
Re: Elen Ferch Llywarch
I have also checked Mike Ashley's book of British Kings and Queens and his
information also corresponds with Leo's site.
"Theresa Opel" <opelthe@charter.net> wrote in message
news:SS6pd.850$dW1.75@fe07.lga...
information also corresponds with Leo's site.
"Theresa Opel" <opelthe@charter.net> wrote in message
news:SS6pd.850$dW1.75@fe07.lga...
I am trying to see if anyone has information on Elen wife of Hywel Dda.
I have been trying to figure out who exactly were her parents. I have
been looking at Leo's site and he is showing her as the Daughter of
Llywarch ap Hyfaidd. However, I have been reading the book "A History of
Wales" by John Davies and on p. 85 he has written the following "About
904, Llywarch ap Hyfaidd, King of Dyfed, died; his kingdom came into the
possession of Hywel ap Cadell ap Rhodri, the ruler of Seisyllwg and the
husband of Elen, Llywarch's sister."
I would appreciate a little feed back as to which might be correct in this
matter. I have also been looking through a lot of various websites and
there is conflicting information there as well.
Best Regards,
Theresa
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Paul K Davis
RE: Elen Ferch Llywarch
Theresa,
Davies, on whom I would usually rely, apparently has a typo. Peter C.
Bartrum's "Welsh Genealogies AD 300 - 1400", volume 1, page [20] (this is
in an introductory section - the page numbers start over again in the main
section), has "Elen, d. 929" married "Hywel Dda" as the daughter of
"Llywarch, d. 904". Again on page [42] "Hywel Dda, d. 950" is shown
married to "Elen f. Llywarch, d. 929". (The "f." stands for "ferch", which
is Welsh for "daughter of".) My notes show that these same relationships
are also given in the famous Harleian manuscript 3859, a very nearly
contemporary document. So Leo is right (not surprisingly).
-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]
Davies, on whom I would usually rely, apparently has a typo. Peter C.
Bartrum's "Welsh Genealogies AD 300 - 1400", volume 1, page [20] (this is
in an introductory section - the page numbers start over again in the main
section), has "Elen, d. 929" married "Hywel Dda" as the daughter of
"Llywarch, d. 904". Again on page [42] "Hywel Dda, d. 950" is shown
married to "Elen f. Llywarch, d. 929". (The "f." stands for "ferch", which
is Welsh for "daughter of".) My notes show that these same relationships
are also given in the famous Harleian manuscript 3859, a very nearly
contemporary document. So Leo is right (not surprisingly).
-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]
[Original Message]
From: Theresa Opel <opelthe@charter.net
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Date: 11/24/2004 1:15:00 PM
Subject: Elen Ferch Llywarch
I am trying to see if anyone has information on Elen wife of Hywel Dda.
I have been trying to figure out who exactly were her parents. I have
been
looking at Leo's site and he is showing her as the Daughter of Llywarch
ap
Hyfaidd. However, I have been reading the book "A History of Wales" by
John
Davies and on p. 85 he has written the following "About 904, Llywarch ap
Hyfaidd, King of Dyfed, died; his kingdom came into the possession of
Hywel
ap Cadell ap Rhodri, the ruler of Seisyllwg and the husband of Elen,
Llywarch's sister."
I would appreciate a little feed back as to which might be correct in
this
matter. I have also been looking through a lot of various websites and
there is conflicting information there as well.
Best Regards,
Theresa
-
Theresa Opel
Re: Elen Ferch Llywarch
I would like to thank everyone that has taken time to respond to my
questions on Elen. You all have been a wonderful source of help and
information.
Best Regards,
Theresa
""Paul K Davis"" <pkd-gm@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:410-220041142524738920@earthlink.net...
questions on Elen. You all have been a wonderful source of help and
information.
Best Regards,
Theresa
""Paul K Davis"" <pkd-gm@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:410-220041142524738920@earthlink.net...
Theresa,
Davies, on whom I would usually rely, apparently has a typo. Peter C.
Bartrum's "Welsh Genealogies AD 300 - 1400", volume 1, page [20] (this is
in an introductory section - the page numbers start over again in the main
section), has "Elen, d. 929" married "Hywel Dda" as the daughter of
"Llywarch, d. 904". Again on page [42] "Hywel Dda, d. 950" is shown
married to "Elen f. Llywarch, d. 929". (The "f." stands for "ferch",
which
is Welsh for "daughter of".) My notes show that these same relationships
are also given in the famous Harleian manuscript 3859, a very nearly
contemporary document. So Leo is right (not surprisingly).
-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd-gm@earthlink.net]
[Original Message]
From: Theresa Opel <opelthe@charter.net
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Date: 11/24/2004 1:15:00 PM
Subject: Elen Ferch Llywarch
I am trying to see if anyone has information on Elen wife of Hywel Dda.
I have been trying to figure out who exactly were her parents. I have
been
looking at Leo's site and he is showing her as the Daughter of Llywarch
ap
Hyfaidd. However, I have been reading the book "A History of Wales" by
John
Davies and on p. 85 he has written the following "About 904, Llywarch ap
Hyfaidd, King of Dyfed, died; his kingdom came into the possession of
Hywel
ap Cadell ap Rhodri, the ruler of Seisyllwg and the husband of Elen,
Llywarch's sister."
I would appreciate a little feed back as to which might be correct in
this
matter. I have also been looking through a lot of various websites and
there is conflicting information there as well.
Best Regards,
Theresa