[OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

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[OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 nov 2004 20:31:02

"> > Those genealogies both claim to be male line through Joseph, don't
they? Mary isn't mentioned. You can have more than one descent from
Charlemagne, but at least one of them is through a female."

I have already address this and you have failed to address my direct issue. Explain how there are so FEW generations from David to Joseph. Are you proposing that each male in this line had their child when they were in the 80s or 90s?
I would suggest you calculate how many generations are presented, and then how many generations SHOULD have occurred and realize the error you're making in treating these literally.
Will

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Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Gordon Banks » 19 nov 2004 22:01:01

If a genealogy is not to be taken literally, then it is literally
worthless.


On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:23, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
"> > Those genealogies both claim to be male line through Joseph, don't
they? Mary isn't mentioned. You can have more than one descent from
Charlemagne, but at least one of them is through a female."

I have already address this and you have failed to address my direct issue. Explain how there are so FEW generations from David to Joseph. Are you proposing that each male in this line had their child when they were in the 80s or 90s?
I would suggest you calculate how many generations are presented, and then how many generations SHOULD have occurred and realize the error you're making in treating these literally.
Will

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Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 nov 2004 22:11:01

"If a genealogy is not to be taken literally, then it is literally worthless."


Well I'm glad you agree. And you are wrong that they lived to 900 years in the times of King David. These very long-lived indiviuals were all, except one prior to the Flood. That one was Noah. However God said "I will not contend with man for so long" and so shortened the age to 120 years. Even so Isaac was supposed to have died at age 180. At any rate, far less than the 900 you suppose and we're not even out of GENESIS yet!
The people in David's time had "normal" lifespans. So you still have the problem of the thousand years from David to Christ with FAR too few ancestors in either of Joseph's alledged direct-male lines. That should tell you that we are not dealing here with literal lines, but rather they are skipping generations in order to make a theological point.
Will Johnson

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Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 nov 2004 23:41:02

In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:03:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WJhonson@aol.com writes:

"If a genealogy is not to be taken literally, then it is literally
worthless."


Well I'm glad you agree. And you are wrong that they lived to 900 years in
the times of King David. These very long-lived indiviuals were all, except
one prior to the Flood. That one was Noah. However God said "I will not
contend with man for so long" and so shortened the age to 120 years. Even so
Isaac was supposed to have died at age 180. At any rate, far less than the 900
you suppose and we're not even out of GENESIS yet!
The people in David's time had "normal" lifespans. So you still have the
problem of the thousand years from David to Christ with FAR too few ancestors
in either of Joseph's alledged direct-male lines. That should tell you that
we are not dealing here with literal lines, but rather they are skipping
generations in order to make a theological point.
Will Johnson



This is proceeding from the ridiculous to the extremely ridiculous!

Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas

Terry

Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Terry » 20 nov 2004 01:51:01

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Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew


In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:03:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WJhonson@aol.com writes:

"If a genealogy is not to be taken literally, then it is literally
worthless."


Well I'm glad you agree. And you are wrong that they lived to 900 years
in
the times of King David. These very long-lived indiviuals were all,
except
one prior to the Flood. That one was Noah. However God said "I will not
contend with man for so long" and so shortened the age to 120 years.
Even so
Isaac was supposed to have died at age 180. At any rate, far less than
the 900
you suppose and we're not even out of GENESIS yet!
The people in David's time had "normal" lifespans. So you still have the
problem of the thousand years from David to Christ with FAR too few
ancestors
in either of Joseph's alledged direct-male lines. That should tell you
that
we are not dealing here with literal lines, but rather they are skipping
generations in order to make a theological point.
Will Johnson



This is proceeding from the ridiculous to the extremely ridiculous!

Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas

Nope, Matthew wrote his Gospel for the Jews, who where well aware of that
line of desent, Matthew only had to make the point that Joseph was of that
line, not the point of every person already known by the Jews to be of that
line.
Terry


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Re: [OT] Re: Jesus, his brother and his nephew

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 nov 2004 18:21:02

In a message dated 11/20/2004 1:02:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
WJhonson@aol.com writes:

David Hughes is known for flights of fantasy beyond my wildest dreams.



And that makes him an excellent Christian. He can fly his Christian fantasy
where he chooses, but he should keep it to Internet sites which concentrate
on "belief". GEN-MEDIEVAL should be for facts, not beliefs.

Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas

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