ROBEHOD, RABINHOD ETC

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David Hepworth

ROBEHOD, RABINHOD ETC

Legg inn av David Hepworth » 14 nov 2004 11:45:12

Hi everyone. This may seem an odd post to place on here, but it
follows on from a great deal of work that can be made available if
needed.

As you may be aware, much research has been done over the years on
Robin Hood and his origins and the fundamental conclusion has been
that there were so many people with that name that it would be
impossible to find an "original" - this has not changed, but I would
like to ask some of you professionals and more experienced people out
there for some help.

One of the earliest contenders is a man who appears in the Pipe Rolls
1220s-30s, mainly as Robert Hode (Hude, Hod - all the usual variants)
- but in one entry is listed as Hobbe Hod. Academics and researchers
have put great store in this entry - suggesting a Westminster clerk
applying a "pet" name in a roll. The arguements to along the lines of
"this clerk gave him a nickname", "gave him a colloquial name" "knew
the legend".

Have any of you come across regular use of Hobbe (and variants) as an
abbreviation of Robert - as Robin etc? Also, without being enmeshed
in RH research, how would you view this entry in isolation?

Additionally, there are a number of instances of a compound surname
being used (one of the most famous being Catherine Robinhood aka
Catherine Hod whose father owned a pub in London in medieval times).
The compound surnames of Robinhood (Rabenhod, Robenhod) and Littlejohn
all make fairly frequent appearances.

Littlejohn tends to appear as Parvus Johanni et al and Petit Johan,
though I have found a court roll entry in Yorkshire of a man called
(in the body of a Latin document) "Littiljohn" at the beginning of the
14th century.

Similarly there are names of criminals such as Broun Robin (and
variants of spelling), Robenhod, Rabenhod etc - are these driven by
Robin Hood or do they sit onomastically on Saxon and Scandinavian
bases?

Are any of you aware of Universities that specialise in surnames and
their development?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

David

Chris Phillips

Re: ROBEHOD, RABINHOD ETC

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 14 nov 2004 12:06:15

David Hepworth wrote:
Have any of you come across regular use of Hobbe (and variants) as an
abbreviation of Robert - as Robin etc?

I believe Hob (with its variants) was a common familiar form of Robert, and
the origin of the surnames Hobbes, Hobson, Hobkinson and so on (cf. Hodge as
a familiar form of Roger for the 'R' mutating into an 'H').

Chris Phillips

David Hepworth

Re: ROBEHOD, RABINHOD ETC

Legg inn av David Hepworth » 25 nov 2004 16:21:32

I received a message via another group that pointed me to a 1999
archive link for the group - here's the original post and response:

"At 10:58 PM 13/04/99 +0100, you wrote:
In the Pipe Roll for 1176 I found this :

Lincol'scr' – "Idem Vicecomes redd.comp. ...
de .j. m. de Rogero de Rudestein pro concordia
cum Rab'[Rabot', CR] fratre suo."

This is not a common name, and I had never
noticed it before. Now that I have seen it
once, I have found it in several other places -
the Bridlington Chartulary has "Roger Rabot" (sic),
the Guisborough Chartulary (Surtees Society vol 89)
has entries for Rabot/Rabod/Rabode of Bovington,
and the name is there as a witness to charters in
at least one of the EYC volumes (I haven't had an
opportunity to work through them all again yet).

The person(s) so named only occur(s) in E. Yorkshire,
so far as I know, and only in the period c.1170 to
c.1210.

Has anyone else come across this name before?
And am I safe in assuming that all occurrences
of "Rab'/Rabot/Rabod(e)" in this period refer to
the attested brother of Roger?

Peter Freeman
University of Leeds

The name is a well known Frankish one, Radbot, and it was the leading

name
of a clan that has been named by historians the Ra(t)potonen. It is
made up
of the two radicals 'rad' and 'bod'. I have not seen the use of this
name
outside the germanic context until now."

Do you think that the preponderence of Rab[d]hod, Rob[e]hod names that
appear in legal records and pipe rolls would be a systematic
development of these original Frankish names that were assimilated
into colloquial dialect?

From a somewhat limited search of records, they do appear to be in
pockets around the country.

Would the background to Rabhod (and variants) be the same as Robehod
and just change because of how a scribe heard the name?

Thanks for assisting

David

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