Magna Carta

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Linda Jack

Magna Carta

Legg inn av Linda Jack » 12 nov 2004 20:31:01

Dear Paul,
In regard to your question regarding the sources for information about
the events of 1215, historians seem to agree that Matthew Paris,
especially, had his information from first-hand observers. Matthew and
Roger of Wendover were both monks at St. Albans, a busy abbey on the
road to London where many noble guests were entertained. I think I
recall reading that the abbey's stables could accommodate 300 horses.
Matthew's DNB bio suggests that nobles and clergy were happy to feed
him information, some hoping to then see themselves in his chronicle.
Antonia Gransden (Historical Writing in England, v.1, 361) proposes
that one of Matthew's best informants may have been Elias of Dereham,
who was steward to Archbishop Stephen Langton who was in the thick of
the events surrounding Magna Carta. Elias helped distribute the
charter around the shires and became an enthusiastic supporter of the
rebel barons. Linda


From: paul bulkley <designeconomic@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:28:35 AM US/Pacific
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Magna Carta.


Professor T.C.Holt's "The St Alban's Chronicles and
Magna Carta" carefully analyses the Magna Carta based
on the records of Roger of Wendover and Matthew
Pariis, but one is still left wondering about the
lists of nobles who were for and against King John.

The lists certainly do not compare with the large
number of individuals listed in more modern texts.

Matthew Pariis Vol.2.p.585 provides the names of
Barons (about 45) who met early in 1215 at Stamford,
but does stress "et multi alii".

P.588 lists the Barons (about 25) who were
uncommitted, and met in London.

P.599 lists individuals (about 30) who were on the
king's side.

And finally on P.604-606 is listed the 25 Barons
elected, and a lists of individuals (about 40) who
swore at Runnymede to obey the orders of the 25
Barons.

These lists according to Professor Holt were in
Matthew Pariis's current hand.

The question arises - from what source/sources were
these lists of names obtained by Wendover and Pariis?
And more significant from what source/sources have
writers of more modern texts with their much larger
lists of individuals obtained their information?

Sincerely Yours,

Paul Bulkley

paul bulkley

Re: Magna Carta

Legg inn av paul bulkley » 14 nov 2004 21:21:01

Thank you Linda for your observations.

I have recently examined seven volumes of Matthew
Pariis - a most remarkable recorder.

What still remains unanswered are the lists of
individuals five times greater than Matthew's records
which can be seen in various texts. Where did these
authors get their information?

Sincerely Yours,

Paul Bulkley




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