frizyuk@yahoo.com (Andrey Frizyuk) wrote in message news:<5534a4c5.0411101226.3655c69f@posting.google.com>...
arpadia@centrum.cz (Arpad) wrote in message news:<b062caa9.0411100704.6d535db9@posting.google.com>...
Bot the Goths came from Goetar province of Sweden, just like the
Russians originated in Roslagen province of the same country, and the
Englishmen came from Sleswig-Holstein. Hey, once upon a time we all
were neighbours!
Arpad
So the Russians "originated" in Sweden? Interesting...
No, the Russians did NOT originate in Sweden, and no one but Arpad
(aren't you a Magyar and therefore not even Indo-European?) ever said
they did.
The NAME "Rus" originated in Sweden. Three brothers, the eldest being
Rurik, went a-viking through what is now Russia, and near Kiev the
local tribes, who were in some disorder, begged them to take over.
They did. Eventually the tribes adopted the name "Rus."
Similarly the name "Bulgar" is Ugric, from a people related to the
Hungarians and other Central Asians, but the Bulgarian people are not,
and their language is not. They are Slavs whom the Bulgar khan
conquered. They adopted his name, and completely absorbed their
conquerors.
Similarly the name "France" is German, from a Germanic tribe in the
Rhineland that moved into the Low Countries as clients in Roman times
and, with the decline of Roman authority after the invasions of
Attila, seized power over much of Gallia. The Gallo-Romans adopted the
name "Frank" and the Franks took the Latin language (and the Catholic
religion) and were completely absorbed.
Similarly when an Irish tribe, the Scots, conquered the Picts in
northern Britain ... well, you get the idea. (I hope.)
The most recent such example, at least in Europe, came in 1859, when
the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia were united into one
country and, rather than call it Wallachia-Moldavia (or their language
Vlach, as it had been called for centuries), someone got the bright
idea of calling it all "Romania," a name once used for what historians
call the Byzantine Empire but long disused. It caught on.
And what about other Slavic people, Czechs and Poles, did they also
"originate" in Scandinavia?

Just as much as the Russians did, i.e. not at all.
Jean Coeur de Lapin