Possible line to the Sassanids.

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Loren Varga

Possible line to the Sassanids.

Legg inn av Loren Varga » 09 nov 2004 14:45:03

Recently Paul Davis posted a possible line to the Sassanids. Alot of
us could tie into this line possibly through the daughter and
granddaughter of Andronikos I. Supposedly his mother was Kata
Bagratouni daughter of David the Builder and his daughter married
Isaac II Angelos. Has anything new been determined on these
connections? Regards Loren Varga

Don Stone

Re: Possible line to the Sassanids.

Legg inn av Don Stone » 09 nov 2004 17:23:32

Loren Varga wrote:

Recently Paul Davis posted a possible line to the Sassanids. Alot of
us could tie into this line possibly through the daughter and
granddaughter of Andronikos I. Supposedly his mother was Kata
Bagratouni daughter of David the Builder and his daughter married
Isaac II Angelos. Has anything new been determined on these
connections? Regards Loren Varga

I think it is well-established that Andronikos I was not the father-in-law
of Isaac II Angelos.

-- Don Stone

marshall kirk

Re: Possible line to the Sassanids.

Legg inn av marshall kirk » 09 nov 2004 23:13:28

While I don't know the answer to your specific question, here's as
good a place as any to note that all descents from antiquity contain
conjectural reconstructions, and often quite a few of 'em. There
simply isn't enough evidence, or what evidence there is isn't
sufficiently univocal, to demonstrate all the postulated connections
to the satisfaction of all scholars. Sources tend toward the
literary, and either don't give the whole story, or don't agree, or
are of debatable meaning. Circumstantial data, such as onomastic
patterns, can have more than one interpretation, with no feasible
means of choosing among them. (As a very simple case, in the Roman
empire a name in -ianus may reflect either female-line inheritance, or
adoption.) Our best hope is usually merely to narrow the range of
argument by eliminating flat-out impossibilities, or at any rate
self-evident fantasies without a shred of factual or logical support.
In short, many arguments are, and -- unless we discover the lost Vital
Records of the Whole Ancient World (joke) -- always will be,
unresolved. This is true even to a fairly late date; I'd defy anyone
to prove beyond a reasonable doubt whether Basil or Michael was father
of (who was it, Leo VI??); or what the true origin of the much
discussed Agatha was; or any of a dozen other wrangles that have gone
on in this forum for years, and in the scholarly world outside for
decades.

"It's a wise genealogist who knows his own father, let alone anybody
else's." --_Marshall Kirk, His Dogma and Dicta_ (with a tip o' the hat
to Jack Vance)



loren_varga@merck.com (Loren Varga) wrote in message news:<67ad2c0f.0411090545.259ccc53@posting.google.com>...
Recently Paul Davis posted a possible line to the Sassanids. Alot of
us could tie into this line possibly through the daughter and
granddaughter of Andronikos I. Supposedly his mother was Kata
Bagratouni daughter of David the Builder and his daughter married
Isaac II Angelos. Has anything new been determined on these
connections? Regards Loren Varga

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