Adrian's posting suggests a relationship between Joan de Septvans and Rose
de Penchester. Robert Battle posted twice in 2002 that Rose, wife of
Stephen de Penchester, was the daughter of Godfrey de Baseville and his wife
Hawise. Does anyone know how Rose (de Baseville) de Penchester is related
to Joan (de Septvans) de Cobham? Was Hawise, wife of Godfrey a Septvans?
Or was the wife of Robert IV related to Hawise?
Thanks,
Gordon Kirkemo
-----Original Message-----
From: ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com [mailto:ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:19 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP and Joan de Septvans
Tim,
There is quite a detailed account of the Septvans family in _Archaeologia
Cantiana, being transactions of the Kent Archaeological Society_ Vol XL
(1928) pp
105-130.
p 109
"The sister of the fifth Robert [de Septvans], Joan, one of the co-heirs of
Rose, widow of Stephen de Penchester, married John de Cobham, circa 1258.
Her
tomb is in the chancel of Cobham Church, with a brass inscription
Dame Joan de Cobham lies here
God be merciful to her soul and
to those whp pray for her soul..."
This fifth Robert de Septvans had a son (William) and there was further
descent, so I'm not sure how the above Rose fits in, and how Joan could be
her
co-heir, perhaps this was her husband's family. It might be best if you
obtained a
copy of this article, if you have difficulties finding it, let me know.
regards,
Adrian
Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote;
In the Cobham article in Vol III, p. 343, it is said that Henry de
Cobham, 1st baron, was the son of John de C. and "Joan, da. and coh. of
Sir Robert de Septvans".
Ronny Bodine and Thomas Spalding in their "Ancestors of Dorothea
Poyntz", page 212, identify this Robert de Septvans as being of
Aldington, Kent, born c. 1250 and d. bef 20 Sep 1306.
The latter Robert de Septvans is almost certainly the Robert IV de
Septvans in Sanders' Baronies, page 1, who was a co-holder of the
Aldington feudal barony in Kent. But Sanders says that Robert IV had a
son William, d. 1322, who had a son William. Accordingly Joan who m.
Henry de Cobham could not have been an heir, or possibly only in her
issue and then only of her nephew William.
Has anyone got any better information?
The interest is that a Septvans of Aldington descent gives this Cobhan
branch a descent from a man in Domesday, one Helto.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
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