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Legg inn av John Parsons » 03 nov 2004 17:01:01

A couple of weeks ago there was a brief discussion regarding the children of
Louis de Brienne and Agnes de Beaumont. At that time I promised to quarry
out the references on this family I collected from English royal wardrobe
materials while preparing my dissertation on their kinswoman, Eleanor of
Castile (wife of Edward I). The material has now come to light and is
offered below.


I. Richard de Beaumont, brother of Isabella de Vescy (nee de Beaumont):

Cash journal of the king's wardrobe 18 Edward I (20 Nov. 1289-19 Nov. 1290),
London, PRO,
C 47/4/5:

fol. 48a [entry, dated within, among those for wages for the squires of the
king's household]:

De Bello monte. Ricardo de Bello monte fratri domine Isabelle de vescy quem
Rex admisit ad vadia sua cum. vi. equis xviij. die maii anno xvij. et non
fuit irrotulatus in rotulo marescalli nisi cum .v. equis pro vadiis illius
sextei [sic] equi a dicto xviij. die maii usque iij. diem februarii anno
xviij. infra quod percipere debebat per diem .iij.d. xlvij.s.lx.d.

["De Beaumont. To Richard de Beaumont, brother of lady Isabella de Vescy,
whom the king admitted to his wages with 6 horses on the 18th day of May in
the 17th year [1289], and he was enrolled in the marshal's roll with only 5
horses, for the wages of that 6th horse from the said 18th day of May until
the 3rd day of February in the 18th year [1290], during which time he should
have received 3d. daily, 47.s.60.d."]

I am well aware that a strict translation would read: "and he was not
enrolled in the marshal's roll except with 5 horses," but that's very
awkward and potentially confusing English.

As I noted earlier, a 13th-century Richard de Beaumont stands at the head of
a Beaumont family in Vyvyan's Visitation Pedigrees of Devon. Vyvyan gives
the arms of this Beaumont family as very similar to the Brienne arms.
Allowing always for the problems with Vyvyan's work, there may be a
possibility here that the two Richards de Beaumont are the same man, but a
good deal more work would have to be done to prove the filiation.


II. Regarding Louis de Beaumont, afterwards bishop of Durham, and Amaury
his nephew:

W. Bliss, Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Concerning England....:

vol. 1, p. 544 (Sept. 1291): Louis de Beaumont, aged 20, had at King
Edward's request dispensation to hold a benefice with cure of souls,
although he already held canonries and prebends at Salisbury, Le Mans, York,
Wells and Durham.

vol. 2, pp. 392, 395. Amaury de Beaumont, archdeacon of Durham, has an
indult in Jan. 1333 to enjoy the fruits of the archdeaconry for three years,
albeit non-resident. He was dead in Oct. 1333 when the pope reserved to
himself the right to present the new archdeacon.

(Amaury is identified as a nephew of Bishop Louis in the new edition of
Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae, vol. 6, p. 111.)



III. Regarding Henry de Beaumont, brother of Isabella de Vescy.

These entries are from the same cash book of the king's wardrobe cited
earlier, C47/4/5:

fol. 46r [undated entry among others for the king's money gifts in May
1290]:

De Bello monte infirmus. Martino Ferraund scutiferi Regine pro expensis
Henrici de Bello monte fratris domine vescy [sic] infirmantis apud Wynton'
dum morabatur ibidem post recessum Regis et in veniendo versus Curiam apud
Westmonasterium ut in pane vino cibo fena avena pro equis et aliis
necessariis suis de dono Regis xxxviij.s.v.d.ob'.

["De Beaumont, unwell. To Martin Ferraund, queen's squire, for the expenses
of Henry de Beaumont, Lady Vescy's brother, unwell at Winchester while he
remained their after the king's departure and in coming to the court at
Westminster, for bread, wine, food, hay and oats for the horses and his
other needs, of the king's gift, 38.s.5 1/2.d."]

fol. 22r [20 April 1290. Prest (loan) for Henry de Beaumont's expenses]:

Ferraund pro vescy. Eodem die [xx die Aprilis (1290)] martino Ferraund
scutiferi Regine de prestito super expensas Henrici fratris domine de vescy
morantis imfirmi apud Wynton' Lx.s.

["Ferraund for Vescy. On the same day, to Martin Feraund, queen's squire, by
prest on the expenses
of Henry, Lady de Vescy's brother, remaining unwell at Winchester, 60.s."]

fol. 26r [16 November 1290]:

Beaumount. Eodem die [xvj. die Novembris] Arnaldo de Comound moranti cum
Henrici de Beaumount infanti infirmato apud Laxon' de prestito super
expensas dicti Henrici xx.s. unde respondebit.

["Beaumount. On the same day, to Arnold de Comound remaining with the child
Henry de Beaumont who is unwell at Laxton, by prest on the said Henry's
expenses, 20.s. wherefore he shall answer [i.e., Arnald de Comound must
render account for this sum]".

On Henry in 1289-90, see also Parsons, The Court and Household of Eleanor of
Castile in 1290 (Toronto, 1977), p.52 and note 189, where the reference from
C 47/4/5 fol. 47v is quoted, recording a July 1290 payment to a squire "qui
est cum pueris de Beaumound."

Since Henry's brother Louis was aged 20 in 1291, and Richard had been
admitted to the king's household in 1289, it is most unlikely that either of
them would have been described as "puer" in 1289-90. Henry, called "infans"
in November 1290 as above, must have been one of the "pueri" mentioned in
July 1290, but the identity of the other is uncertain. Just possibly,
however, it was Charles, for whom see further.


IV. Charles de Beaumont, prebend of Beverley 1290, canon of Lincoln, living
Feb. 1298.

The Registers of John le Romeyn, Lord Archbishop of York 1286-1296, ed. W.
Brown, 2 vols. (London, 1916-1917):

vol. 1, pp. 390-91 (30 August 1290). Episcopal collation of Charles de
Beaumont, "obtentu serenissime domine, domine Alianore, Dei gracia regine
Anglie illustris, cui in consanguinitate linea attinere dignosceris," to a
prebend in the church of Beverley, now held by mr William de Luda, bishop
elect of Ely, and to be vacated by him in consequence of his election.

Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541, vol. 10 (Coventry and Lichfield):
Charles de Beaumont, canon, fl. 30 Sept. 1291 and 1 February 1298.

Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541, vol. 3 (Lincoln), p. 121: Charles de
Beaumont, canon, fl. 1 February 1298.

Regards

John P.

Gjest

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Legg inn av Gjest » 03 nov 2004 20:41:01

Wednesday, 3 November, 2004



Dear John,

Thanks for those extracts from your Beaumont archives. Also, for
the translations.

Most of the individuals named can be readily placed as the issue
of Louis de Brienne and his wife Agnes de Beaumont. One exception,
Amauri de Beaumont, archdeacon of Durham (d. 1333). Identified in
Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae as a nephew of Louis de Beaumont, Bishop
of Durham, he was in fact a great-nephew.

______________________________________________________________
I I I I I I
Jean Louis Henry <siblings>
vicomte de Beaumont Bp of Durham Lord Beaumont
[France] d. 1306 [England] d. 1339
I
I
Robert
vicomte de Beaumont
d. 1327
____I__________________________________________
I I I I
Jean Geoffrey Guillaume Amaury de Beaumont
vicomte de archdeacon of Durham
Beaumont <non-resident>
d. ca. 1355


One wonders if he came to England in 1326, in the train of his 3rd
cousin Roger de Mortimer and his lady (not waiting), Isabella of
France (Q. of England)......

Cheers,

John

Douglas Richardson

Re: De Beaumont information

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 04 nov 2004 18:01:08

Dear John ~

Thank you for posting your findings regarding the Beaumont family of
England, espcially the records of Richard and Charles de Beaumont.
Much appreciated.

The Beaumont family were unique, in that they were closely related to
the English royal family (being descended in common from King Henry II
of England), as well as to three successive queens of England, namely
Eleanor of Castile (1st wife of King Edward I), Margaret of France
(2nd wife of King Edward I), and Isabel of France (wife of King Edward
II).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

carmi47@msn.com ("John Parsons") wrote in message news:<BAY11-F22VqKwRPQIWD0000a8b0@hotmail.com>...
A couple of weeks ago there was a brief discussion regarding the children of
Louis de Brienne and Agnes de Beaumont. At that time I promised to quarry
out the references on this family I collected from English royal wardrobe
materials while preparing my dissertation on their kinswoman, Eleanor of
Castile (wife of Edward I). The material has now come to light and is
offered below.


I. Richard de Beaumont, brother of Isabella de Vescy (nee de Beaumont):

Cash journal of the king's wardrobe 18 Edward I (20 Nov. 1289-19 Nov. 1290),
London, PRO,
C 47/4/5:

fol. 48a [entry, dated within, among those for wages for the squires of the
king's household]:

De Bello monte. Ricardo de Bello monte fratri domine Isabelle de vescy quem
Rex admisit ad vadia sua cum. vi. equis xviij. die maii anno xvij. et non
fuit irrotulatus in rotulo marescalli nisi cum .v. equis pro vadiis illius
sextei [sic] equi a dicto xviij. die maii usque iij. diem februarii anno
xviij. infra quod percipere debebat per diem .iij.d. xlvij.s.lx.d.

["De Beaumont. To Richard de Beaumont, brother of lady Isabella de Vescy,
whom the king admitted to his wages with 6 horses on the 18th day of May in
the 17th year [1289], and he was enrolled in the marshal's roll with only 5
horses, for the wages of that 6th horse from the said 18th day of May until
the 3rd day of February in the 18th year [1290], during which time he should
have received 3d. daily, 47.s.60.d."]

I am well aware that a strict translation would read: "and he was not
enrolled in the marshal's roll except with 5 horses," but that's very
awkward and potentially confusing English.

As I noted earlier, a 13th-century Richard de Beaumont stands at the head of
a Beaumont family in Vyvyan's Visitation Pedigrees of Devon. Vyvyan gives
the arms of this Beaumont family as very similar to the Brienne arms.
Allowing always for the problems with Vyvyan's work, there may be a
possibility here that the two Richards de Beaumont are the same man, but a
good deal more work would have to be done to prove the filiation.


II. Regarding Louis de Beaumont, afterwards bishop of Durham, and Amaury
his nephew:

W. Bliss, Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Concerning England....:

vol. 1, p. 544 (Sept. 1291): Louis de Beaumont, aged 20, had at King
Edward's request dispensation to hold a benefice with cure of souls,
although he already held canonries and prebends at Salisbury, Le Mans, York,
Wells and Durham.

vol. 2, pp. 392, 395. Amaury de Beaumont, archdeacon of Durham, has an
indult in Jan. 1333 to enjoy the fruits of the archdeaconry for three years,
albeit non-resident. He was dead in Oct. 1333 when the pope reserved to
himself the right to present the new archdeacon.

(Amaury is identified as a nephew of Bishop Louis in the new edition of
Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae, vol. 6, p. 111.)



III. Regarding Henry de Beaumont, brother of Isabella de Vescy.

These entries are from the same cash book of the king's wardrobe cited
earlier, C47/4/5:

fol. 46r [undated entry among others for the king's money gifts in May
1290]:

De Bello monte infirmus. Martino Ferraund scutiferi Regine pro expensis
Henrici de Bello monte fratris domine vescy [sic] infirmantis apud Wynton'
dum morabatur ibidem post recessum Regis et in veniendo versus Curiam apud
Westmonasterium ut in pane vino cibo fena avena pro equis et aliis
necessariis suis de dono Regis xxxviij.s.v.d.ob'.

["De Beaumont, unwell. To Martin Ferraund, queen's squire, for the expenses
of Henry de Beaumont, Lady Vescy's brother, unwell at Winchester while he
remained their after the king's departure and in coming to the court at
Westminster, for bread, wine, food, hay and oats for the horses and his
other needs, of the king's gift, 38.s.5 1/2.d."]

fol. 22r [20 April 1290. Prest (loan) for Henry de Beaumont's expenses]:

Ferraund pro vescy. Eodem die [xx die Aprilis (1290)] martino Ferraund
scutiferi Regine de prestito super expensas Henrici fratris domine de vescy
morantis imfirmi apud Wynton' Lx.s.

["Ferraund for Vescy. On the same day, to Martin Feraund, queen's squire, by
prest on the expenses
of Henry, Lady de Vescy's brother, remaining unwell at Winchester, 60.s."]

fol. 26r [16 November 1290]:

Beaumount. Eodem die [xvj. die Novembris] Arnaldo de Comound moranti cum
Henrici de Beaumount infanti infirmato apud Laxon' de prestito super
expensas dicti Henrici xx.s. unde respondebit.

["Beaumount. On the same day, to Arnold de Comound remaining with the child
Henry de Beaumont who is unwell at Laxton, by prest on the said Henry's
expenses, 20.s. wherefore he shall answer [i.e., Arnald de Comound must
render account for this sum]".

On Henry in 1289-90, see also Parsons, The Court and Household of Eleanor of
Castile in 1290 (Toronto, 1977), p.52 and note 189, where the reference from
C 47/4/5 fol. 47v is quoted, recording a July 1290 payment to a squire "qui
est cum pueris de Beaumound."

Since Henry's brother Louis was aged 20 in 1291, and Richard had been
admitted to the king's household in 1289, it is most unlikely that either of
them would have been described as "puer" in 1289-90. Henry, called "infans"
in November 1290 as above, must have been one of the "pueri" mentioned in
July 1290, but the identity of the other is uncertain. Just possibly,
however, it was Charles, for whom see further.


IV. Charles de Beaumont, prebend of Beverley 1290, canon of Lincoln, living
Feb. 1298.

The Registers of John le Romeyn, Lord Archbishop of York 1286-1296, ed. W.
Brown, 2 vols. (London, 1916-1917):

vol. 1, pp. 390-91 (30 August 1290). Episcopal collation of Charles de
Beaumont, "obtentu serenissime domine, domine Alianore, Dei gracia regine
Anglie illustris, cui in consanguinitate linea attinere dignosceris," to a
prebend in the church of Beverley, now held by mr William de Luda, bishop
elect of Ely, and to be vacated by him in consequence of his election.

Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541, vol. 10 (Coventry and Lichfield):
Charles de Beaumont, canon, fl. 30 Sept. 1291 and 1 February 1298.

Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541, vol. 3 (Lincoln), p. 121: Charles de
Beaumont, canon, fl. 1 February 1298.

Regards

John P.

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