Digitalarkivet 1900 census search problem

[Robert Heiling]

Using Digitalarkivet and searching the 1900 census, I have been unable
to locate a certain:
Otto Sigurd Thoresen, born 5 Nov 1896, supposedly in or near Oslo.
There is proof of his existence in the form of a 1924 Ellis Island
manifest and in church records his granddaugter has. I've tried to find
him in a number of ways including searches on that surname, given-names,
birthdate, and haven't found him. He should be there.

Are portions of that census incomplete, or are people sometimes missed,
or am I doing something wrong that a better search would suceed at?

Thanks
Bob

[dn16261]

Otto Toresen, born 1896, can be found in the 1900 Oslo cencus. Regards John

[Margit R Bakke]

Here is one:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?
ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=435&bnr=0002&lnr=05

Federik Toresen hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri 1862 Kristiania
Elise Toresen hm g Hustru 1861 Kristiania
Artur Toresen s ug Smedlærling 1883 Kristiania
Toraalf Toresen s ug Søn 1892 Kristiania
Einar Toresen s ug Søn 1894 Kristiania
Otto Toresen s ug Søn 1896 Kristiania
Eugen Toresen s ug Søn 1900.11.10 Kristiania


On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

Using Digitalarkivet and searching the 1900 census, I have been unable
to locate a certain:
Otto Sigurd Thoresen, born 5 Nov 1896, supposedly in or near Oslo.
There is proof of his existence in the form of a 1924 Ellis Island
manifest and in church records his granddaugter has. I've tried to find
him in a number of ways including searches on that surname,
given-names,
birthdate, and haven't found him. He should be there.

Are portions of that census incomplete, or are people sometimes missed,
or am I doing something wrong that a better search would suceed at?

Thanks
Bob

[Robert Heiling]

"John O. Svenning" wrote:

Otto Toresen, born 1896, can be found in the 1900 Oslo cencus.

Thanks John. Maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Etternavn lik Toresen - Hald fram
Fødselsår lik 1896 - Hald fram
0 Antall, No hits for Oslo
?

Bob

[dn08702]

There is an Otto Toresen living in Solhaugsgaden 2, Kristiania ( Oslo) born
1896:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 002&lnr=05
He could be your man?
Anne Elise


"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
news:[email protected]...

Using Digitalarkivet and searching the 1900 census, I have been unable
to locate a certain:
Otto Sigurd Thoresen, born 5 Nov 1896, supposedly in or near Oslo.
There is proof of his existence in the form of a 1924 Ellis Island
manifest and in church records his granddaugter has. I've tried to find
him in a number of ways including searches on that surname, given-names,
birthdate, and haven't found him. He should be there.

Are portions of that census incomplete, or are people sometimes missed,
or am I doing something wrong that a better search would suceed at?

Thanks
Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Margit wrote:

Here is one:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?
ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=435&bnr=0002&lnr=05

Federik Toresen hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri 1862 Kristiania
Elise Toresen hm g Hustru 1861 Kristiania
Artur Toresen s ug Smedlærling 1883 Kristiania
Toraalf Toresen s ug Søn 1892 Kristiania
Einar Toresen s ug Søn 1894 Kristiania
Otto Toresen s ug Søn 1896 Kristiania
Eugen Toresen s ug Søn 1900.11.10 Kristiania

Thanks Margit. That one looks promising because the father was
supposedly Fredrick. Was my problem simply in using the wrong website?

Bob

On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:


Using Digitalarkivet and searching the 1900 census, I have been unable
to locate a certain:
Otto Sigurd Thoresen, born 5 Nov 1896, supposedly in or near Oslo.
There is proof of his existence in the form of a 1924 Ellis Island
manifest and in church records his granddaugter has. I've tried to find
him in a number of ways including searches on that surname,
given-names,
birthdate, and haven't found him. He should be there.

Are portions of that census incomplete, or are people sometimes missed,
or am I doing something wrong that a better search would suceed at?

Thanks
Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Anne Elise Ferner wrote:

There is an Otto Toresen living in Solhaugsgaden 2, Kristiania ( Oslo) born
1896:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 002&lnr=05
He could be your man?

Thank you Anne Elise. That is probably the right person and the father's
name, Fredrik, is right also.

Bob

[Margit R Bakke]

I used the advanced search and just searched on Ott% for name and
1895-1897 for birth.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/fo ... ert_e.aspx
Margit
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

Margit wrote:

Here is one:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?
ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=435&bnr=0002&lnr=05

Federik Toresen hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri 1862
Kristiania
Elise Toresen hm g Hustru 1861 Kristiania
Artur Toresen s ug Smedlærling 1883 Kristiania
Toraalf Toresen s ug Søn 1892 Kristiania
Einar Toresen s ug Søn 1894 Kristiania
Otto Toresen s ug Søn 1896 Kristiania
Eugen Toresen s ug Søn 1900.11.10 Kristiania

Thanks Margit. That one looks promising because the father was
supposedly Fredrick. Was my problem simply in using the wrong website?

Bob

On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:


Using Digitalarkivet and searching the 1900 census, I have been
unable
to locate a certain:
Otto Sigurd Thoresen, born 5 Nov 1896, supposedly in or near Oslo.
There is proof of his existence in the form of a 1924 Ellis Island
manifest and in church records his granddaugter has. I've tried to
find
him in a number of ways including searches on that surname,
given-names,
birthdate, and haven't found him. He should be there.

Are portions of that census incomplete, or are people sometimes
missed,
or am I doing something wrong that a better search would suceed at?

Thanks
Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Margit wrote:

I used the advanced search and just searched on Ott% for name and
1895-1897 for birth.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/fo ... ert_e.aspx

Fair enough, but you're using a different interface and/or database than
I was:
<http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&katnr=1&emnenr=5&spraak=n?>
Folktelingar og Manntal, 1900, Alle område, Alle periodar

I've used that other one in the past also, but lost my bookmark and
figured that Digitalarkivet was just as good. Still wondering if it's my
problem or the website's.

Bob

[dn16261]

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer. The other edition, NHDC, will give you one Otto Toresen in Oslo. Regards John.

[Robert Heiling]

"John O. Svenning" wrote:

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used
the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for
the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer.

Thanks again. That still isn't working for me though. The one that I
have been using is http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Whether I use
Etternavn lik Toresen, or try Etternavn borjar på Tore and then check
the box for the 1174 Toresen when that page of boxes & surnames comes up
comes up, I get the very same counts per Fylke including 36 for Oslo.
Attempts to add a filter for year or Forenavn reduce the Oslo count to
zero. So I just went through those 36 Toresen hits for Oslo/Kristiania
and he was not there. It looks as though he really isn't in that
database at all.

The other edition, NHDC, will give you one Otto Toresen in Oslo.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/ is the one that was used by the people who have
found him and it works fine.

Bob

[Margit R Bakke]

He is there in that database also. #204528

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?
slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=7573&personpostnr=204528&merk=204
528#ovre

1900-telling for 0301 Kristiania
By Husliste Kretsnr Gate Våningshus Sidebygning Utan hushald
Etasje Busetnad
7573 Kristiania 2 435 Solhaugsgaden 2 Vaaningshus Udhus: Vedboder
%og W.C.% n 2 9
Hushald nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Sedvanleg bustad
Mellombels bustad Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad
Nasjonalitet Trussamf.

204523 1 Federik Tores. m b hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri
1862 t n s
204524 Elise Tores. k b hm g Hustru 1861 t n s
204525 Artur Tores. m b s ug Smedlærling 1883 t n s
204526 Toraalf Tores. m b s ug Søn 1892 t n s
204527 Einar Tores. m b s ug Søn 1894 t n s
204528 Otto Tores. m b s ug Søn 1896 t n s
204529 Eugen Tores. m b s ug Søn 10.11.1900 t n s



On Dec 19, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

"John O. Svenning" wrote:

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used
the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for
the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer.

Thanks again. That still isn't working for me though. The one that I
have been using is http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Whether I use
Etternavn lik Toresen, or try Etternavn borjar på Tore and then check
the box for the 1174 Toresen when that page of boxes & surnames comes
up
comes up, I get the very same counts per Fylke including 36 for Oslo.
Attempts to add a filter for year or Forenavn reduce the Oslo count to
zero. So I just went through those 36 Toresen hits for Oslo/Kristiania
and he was not there. It looks as though he really isn't in that
database at all.

The other edition, NHDC, will give you one Otto Toresen in Oslo.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/ is the one that was used by the people who have
found him and it works fine.

Bob

[Frank Johansen]

Robert Heiling wrote:

"John O. Svenning" wrote:

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used
the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for
the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer.


Thanks again. That still isn't working for me though. The one that I
have been using is http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Whether I use
Etternavn lik Toresen, or try Etternavn borjar på Tore and then check
the box for the 1174 Toresen when that page of boxes & surnames comes up
comes up, I get the very same counts per Fylke including 36 for Oslo.
Attempts to add a filter for year or Forenavn reduce the Oslo count to
zero. So I just went through those 36 Toresen hits for Oslo/Kristiania
and he was not there. It looks as though he really isn't in that
database at all.

At <http://digitalarkivet.uib.no>, try checking the box for "Tores" in
stead of "Toresen". You the get 26 hits in Oslo / Kristiania. Otto
Tores. born 1895 is hit number 19.

I don't know why one electronic source has the surname spelled out as
"Toresen" why the other has it shortened to "Tores", as the entries in
the electornic sources ought to be exactelly the same as in the original
paper sources!

Regards
Frank H. Johansen

[Robert Heiling]

Margit wrote:

He is there in that database also. #204528

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?
slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=7573&personpostnr=204528&merk=204
528#ovre

1900-telling for 0301 Kristiania
By Husliste Kretsnr Gate Våningshus Sidebygning Utan hushald
Etasje Busetnad
7573 Kristiania 2 435 Solhaugsgaden 2 Vaaningshus Udhus: Vedboder
%og W.C.% n 2 9
Hushald nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Sedvanleg bustad
Mellombels bustad Fam. stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad
Nasjonalitet Trussamf.

204523 1 Federik Tores. m b hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri
1862 t n s
204524 Elise Tores. k b hm g Hustru 1861 t n s
204525 Artur Tores. m b s ug Smedlærling 1883 t n s
204526 Toraalf Tores. m b s ug Søn 1892 t n s
204527 Einar Tores. m b s ug Søn 1894 t n s
204528 Otto Tores. m b s ug Søn 1896 t n s
204529 Eugen Tores. m b s ug Søn 10.11.1900 t n s

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.<g>

Bob

On Dec 19, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

"John O. Svenning" wrote:

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used
the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for
the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer.

Thanks again. That still isn't working for me though. The one that I
have been using is http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Whether I use
Etternavn lik Toresen, or try Etternavn borjar på Tore and then check
the box for the 1174 Toresen when that page of boxes & surnames comes
up
comes up, I get the very same counts per Fylke including 36 for Oslo.
Attempts to add a filter for year or Forenavn reduce the Oslo count to
zero. So I just went through those 36 Toresen hits for Oslo/Kristiania
and he was not there. It looks as though he really isn't in that
database at all.

The other edition, NHDC, will give you one Otto Toresen in Oslo.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/ is the one that was used by the people who have
found him and it works fine.

Bob

[Stein R]

Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Margit wrote:

He is there in that database also. #204528

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?
slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=7573&personpostnr=204528&merk=
2
04 528#ovre

1900-telling for 0301 Kristiania
By Husliste Kretsnr Gate Våningshus
Sidebygning Utan hushald Etasje Busetnad
7573 Kristiania 2 435 Solhaugsgaden 2
Vaaningshus Udhus: Vedboder %og W.C.% n 2 9
Hushald nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn
Busett Sedvanleg bustad Mellombels bustad Fam.
stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad
Nasjonalitet Trussamf.

204523 1 Federik Tores. m b
hf g Fyrbøder ved Kra. høvleri
1862 t n s
204524 Elise Tores. k b hm
g Hustru 1861 t n s 204525 Artur
Tores. m b s ug Smedlærling
1883 t n s 204526 Toraalf Tores. m
b s ug Søn 1892 t
n s 204527 Einar Tores. m b
s ug Søn 1894 t n s 204528
Otto Tores. m b s ug Søn
1896 t n s 204529 Eugen Tores. m b
s ug Søn 10.11.1900 t
n s

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.<g

Look at the last name : In this version it is transcribed as "Tores."
instead of Toresen.

http://www.digitalarkivet.no (or equivalent digitalarkivet.uib.no)
1900 census
Fylke: Oslo
Select the "1900 telling for 0301 Kristiania"


Etternavn (family name) "Børjar på" (starts with) Tores
and Fornavn (first name) "Er lik" (Equals) Otto
will find him.

You will also find it with
Etternavn "Børjar på" Tores and
Fødd år "er lik" 1896

Smile,
Stein

[Margit R Bakke]

Hi Robert,
I will be happy to tell you. I searched for Ott for firstname starts
with and got 1094 hits. I then searched for Tore for surname starts
with and got 1 hit.
I have more detailed instructions for searching these databases with
examples if you would like offlist.
Margit

On Dec 19, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.<g

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Frank Johansen wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:
"John O. Svenning" wrote:

There are two editions of the 1865, 1875 and 1900 cencus. If you used
the one i "Digitalarkivet" you had to enter only begins with Tore for
the surname. If you enter the complete name you will get no answer.


Thanks again. That still isn't working for me though. The one that I
have been using is http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ Whether I use
Etternavn lik Toresen, or try Etternavn borjar på Tore and then check
the box for the 1174 Toresen when that page of boxes & surnames comes up
comes up, I get the very same counts per Fylke including 36 for Oslo.
Attempts to add a filter for year or Forenavn reduce the Oslo count to
zero. So I just went through those 36 Toresen hits for Oslo/Kristiania
and he was not there. It looks as though he really isn't in that
database at all.

At <http://digitalarkivet.uib.no>, try checking the box for "Tores" in
stead of "Toresen". You the get 26 hits in Oslo / Kristiania. Otto
Tores. born 1895 is hit number 19.

That works. Previously I had used Tore as advised and then checked the
box for Toresen. This time, it doesn't matter if I use Tore or Tores as
long as I check the box for Tores (should be "Tores."!).

I don't know why one electronic source has the surname spelled out as
"Toresen" why the other has it shortened to "Tores", as the entries in
the electornic sources ought to be exactelly the same as in the original
paper sources!

One did it right and the other didn't and has a serious bug IMHO.

Many thanks! Now I understand what's going on.

Bob

[Margit R Bakke]

Here is the english version of the Oslo database for 1900.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?
slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&spraak=e&metanr=837

Margit

On Dec 19, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Robert Heiling wrote:

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.<g

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Margit wrote:

Here is the english version of the Oslo database for 1900.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?
slag=visbase&filnamn=f00301&spraak=e&metanr=837

Varför skrivde du det? Norska är inte ett problem.<g>

and besides. After the first page it reverts right back to
Norwegian.<lol>

Bob

[Robert Heiling]

Stein R wrote:

Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Margit wrote:
snip
n s

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.<g

Look at the last name : In this version it is transcribed as "Tores."
instead of Toresen.

Thanks Stein. Right, but the index is misleading.

www.digitalarkivet.no (or equivalent digitalarkivet.uib.no)
1900 census
Fylke: Oslo
Select the "1900 telling for 0301 Kristiania"

Etternavn (family name) "Børjar på" (starts with) Tores

Don't you have to check surname boxes at this point?

and Fornavn (first name) "Er lik" (Equals) Otto
will find him.

You will also find it with
Etternavn "Børjar på" Tores and
Fødd år "er lik" 1896

Yes. It works once the box has been checked for Tores(.)
So the trick would be to check the boxes for Toresen, Tores, Toreson,
and a few more variations when first looking nationwide for the fellow.

Thanks

Bob

[Stein R]

Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote in news:43A737BB.3C9E0870
@comcast.net:

Stein R wrote:

Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Margit wrote:
snip
n s

But you're just going to tease me and not tell me how you did it.
g

Look at the last name : In this version it is transcribed
as "Tores." instead of Toresen.

Thanks Stein. Right, but the index is misleading.

http://www.digitalarkivet.no (or equivalent digitalarkivet.uib.no)
1900 census
Fylke: Oslo
Select the "1900 telling for 0301 Kristiania"

Etternavn (family name) "Børjar på" (starts with) Tores

Don't you have to check surname boxes at this point?

Only if you search for the whole country.

If you pick a fylke (province/state) and then pick a
specific municipality to search, you have more choices
for how to search - including two versions of "starts
with"/"børjar på" - one that is a plain wildcard search
(tores equal tores*), one which gives you a list of
alternatives that match and then you check surname boxes.

For some reason the plain wildcard search only seems to
be available when you zoom in on some province and munici-
pality.

and Fornavn (first name) "Er lik" (Equals) Otto
will find him.

You will also find it with
Etternavn "Børjar på" Tores and
Fødd år "er lik" 1896

Yes. It works once the box has been checked for Tores(.)
So the trick would be to check the boxes for Toresen, Tores,
Toreson, and a few more variations when first looking nationwide
for the fellow.

When looking nationwide - yep.

Smile,
Stein

[Robert Heiling]

Stein R wrote:

Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote in news:43A737BB.3C9E0870
@comcast.net:<SNIP

Don't you have to check surname boxes at this point?

Only if you search for the whole country.

If you pick a fylke (province/state) and then pick a
specific municipality to search, you have more choices
for how to search - including two versions of "starts
with"/"børjar på" - one that is a plain wildcard search
(tores equal tores*), one which gives you a list of
alternatives that match and then you check surname boxes.

I may have seen those surnamne checkboxes quite a few months ago when I
last used the website for a different research, but not on this
go-around. Although we had been told that he was married in Oslo in
1919, I couldn't assume that he was born there and all my searches were
nationwide, so I never saw the boxes. I had searched the normal
variations on T(h)or(e)s(e/o)n manually, not knowing about the
abbreviation quirk.

For some reason the plain wildcard search only seems to
be available when you zoom in on some province and munici-
pality.

and Fornavn (first name) "Er lik" (Equals) Otto
will find him.

You will also find it with
Etternavn "Børjar på" Tores and
Fødd år "er lik" 1896

Yes. It works once the box has been checked for Tores(.)
So the trick would be to check the boxes for Toresen, Tores,
Toreson, and a few more variations when first looking nationwide
for the fellow.

When looking nationwide - yep.

My thanks again to you and the others who have helped me with this
census search. It might be a good idea for me to present our research
puzzle at this point in case you all might have some suggestions that we
have overlooked. A group of us in alt.genealogy is currently attempting
to locate the grandfather and possible descendants for a lady in
Denmark. Here's what we know so far.

Otto Sigurd Thoresen was born 5 Nov 1896 in Oslo, Father: Fredrik
Thoresen (Source: Letter from the church). He married Isabella Larsen
(born 1899) in Oslo in 1919 and a son was born 2 Mar 1920. Family legend
has it that he emmigrated to the US in 1921-2 and Isabella always
remained in Norway.

An Ellis Island passenger manifest dated 19 Nov 1923 shows him and a
traveling companion named Rarous Thoresen, age 30. However, their
entries are lined out and we are interpreting that to mean that they
were booked for the trip, but were not on board.

A second Ellis Island manifest dated 21 Jul 1924 shows him and a
traveling companion named Bjarne A. Hansen, age 29. They are both marked
as "admitted". There is misc info like intended destination on both of
these manifests that I haven't included here.

Intensive searching of the 1930 US census has not located him and he is
not found in the SSDI (death index). The resources for Canada for that
timeframe are limited. A key question would be: Did he return to Norway?
The family doesn't seem to know about it if he did. However, the
grandchildren did receive presents over the years from somewhere which
could possibly have been US or Canada.

That's the puzzle. All tips appreciated.

Bob