WTB: Rootsmagic Registration Key

[Gjest]

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my

circumstances, but they did not reply.

I want to buy a license / registration for Rootsmagic3 for half price
from anyone who has legally bought it and wishes to sell it. I don't
think this is illegal. I can pay you via PayPal, all I need is an email

address linked to your (free) PayPal account.

Please help me if you can.

Write to (remove all asterisks) pain***tblot@***hotmail.com


Thank you.
Mark

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my

circumstances, but they did not reply.

I want to buy a license / registration for Rootsmagic3 for half price
from anyone who has legally bought it and wishes to sell it. I don't
think this is illegal. I can pay you via PayPal, all I need is an email

address linked to your (free) PayPal account.

Please help me if you can.

Write to (remove all asterisks) pain***tblot@***hotmail.com


Thank you.
Mark

I will express my opinion - others may disagree.

In a sentence I think what you want is dishonest UNLESS Bruce and
company agree to it. If he were to agree I suspect he would require
all sorts of proof that you are who and what you say your are.

There are several freebies that you can use - Legacy is one, PAF is
another as I recall.

Also programs that have upgrades usually sell for far less than the
original price. For example buy the previous FTM for half the price of
RM and upgrade for free as a registered owner.

Hugh

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my

circumstances, but they did not reply.

I want to buy a license / registration for Rootsmagic3 for half price
from anyone who has legally bought it and wishes to sell it. I don't
think this is illegal. I can pay you via PayPal, all I need is an email

address linked to your (free) PayPal account.

Please help me if you can.

Write to (remove all asterisks) pain***tblot@***hotmail.com


Thank you.
Mark

Mark,

RootsMagic is a good program, quite possibly the best genealogy
program for a lot of users, but it's not a "necessity". If you can't
afford it, just use one of the free genealogy programs.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[MarkA]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

RootsMagic is a good program, quite possibly the best genealogy
program for a lot of users, but it's not a "necessity". If you can't
afford it, just use one of the free genealogy programs.

Thanks for the hint, Charlie, but I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

[MarkA]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

In a sentence I think what you want is dishonest UNLESS Bruce and
company agree to it.

I do not understand. Are you saying that you cannot sell software you
legally own? That would be like forbidding someone to onsell any other
form of property. A license to use software is a possession and should
be resaleable if no longer required.

If he were to agree I suspect he would require
all sorts of proof that you are who and what you say your are.

Would I go to these lengths if I were able to afford the software? I
have CFS, a disabling condition that leaves me exhausted and sometimes
unable to get up from bed.

[MarkA]

I don't think it's illegal in the USA:

"Transfer of a copyrighted work that is subject to the first sale
doctrine extinguishes all distribution rights of the copyright holder
upon transfer of title."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

[Gerry]

In article <1168636108.666554.106880@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think it's illegal in the USA:

"Transfer of a copyrighted work that is subject to the first sale
doctrine extinguishes all distribution rights of the copyright holder
upon transfer of title."

You are not offering to buy the software. You are trying to buy the key
to a currently illegal copy or trial version of the software. Since you
have a PayPal account you could look for a legal copy on eBay.
>

[MarkA]

Gerry wrote:

You are not offering to buy the software. You are trying to buy the key
to a currently illegal copy or trial version of the software. Since you
have a PayPal account you could look for a legal copy on eBay.

If you read the case law at the link I posted, you'll see that the
"key" (or license, or activation) and the software are *not* considered
separate entitiies by the courts. So you are wrong about that. You are
also wrong in claiming my trial software is illegal on my machine. It
is not.

In addition, there is nothing illegal about me buying the software,
including key, from anyone if they no longer wish to use it.

[Hugh Watkins]

MarkA wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:


In a sentence I think what you want is dishonest UNLESS Bruce and
company agree to it.


I do not understand. Are you saying that you cannot sell software you
legally own? That would be like forbidding someone to onsell any other
form of property. A license to use software is a possession and should
be resaleable if no longer required.


If he were to agree I suspect he would require
all sorts of proof that you are who and what you say your are.


Would I go to these lengths if I were able to afford the software? I
have CFS, a disabling condition that leaves me exhausted and sometimes
unable to get up from bed.

bad luck if true - but the web is full of lies

give up a few 6 packs

and pay the owners
if everone was a cheap skate like you there would be no new apps

Hugh W



--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[MarkA]

Hugh Watkins wrote:

bad luck if true - but the web is full of lies
give up a few 6 packs

I don't drink. I cannot.

and pay the owners

I am willing to pay an owner of this software for his/her possession if
he/she will sell it to me. THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL. THIS IS NOT WRONG! WHY
ARE YOU PEOPLE TORMENTING ME?

if everone was a cheap skate like you there would be no new apps

OH GOD I HOPE YOU GET VERY, VERY SICK ONE DAY SO THAT OTHERS CAN SNEER
AT YOU LIKE THIS!!

[Robert Melson]

In article <1168631933.029216.175540@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mark.amba@gmail.com writes:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my

circumstances, but they did not reply.

I want to buy a license / registration for Rootsmagic3 for half price
from anyone who has legally bought it and wishes to sell it. I don't
think this is illegal. I can pay you via PayPal, all I need is an email

address linked to your (free) PayPal account.

Please help me if you can.

Write to (remove all asterisks) pain***tblot@***hotmail.com


Thank you.
Mark

Seems to me much depends on the conditions of the original license.
Many, if not most, software houses sell a license tu use - but not the
software, itself - to the original buyer, thereby retaining title
to the product. As well, they frequently impose restrictions on
license transfer, tho' that's not often enforced, if ever. In short,
y'gotta look at the shrink-wrap license to be sure what you want to
do is (il)legal or not.

As for me, I use public domain/open source software on a unix system and
much prefer it to the commercial products. I agree with those who
have suggested you look into PAF and/or Legacy, however: both are
free and have no restrictions on their use and/or transfer as a result.

HTH,
Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my

circumstances, but they did not reply.

I want to buy a license / registration for Rootsmagic3 for half price
from anyone who has legally bought it and wishes to sell it. I don't
think this is illegal. I can pay you via PayPal, all I need is an email

address linked to your (free) PayPal account.

Please help me if you can.

Write to (remove all asterisks) pain***tblot@***hotmail.com


Thank you.
Mark

Mark,

I looked up my RM license agreement, and have reproduced a couple of
statements from it, FYI. You should have this same license on your
trial copy...

YOU MAY NOT:
* Use the Program or permit use of the Program on more than one
computer, computer terminal or workstation at the same time.
* Make copies of the materials accompanying the Program or make copies
of the Program or any part thereof.
* Use the Program or permit use of the Program in a network or other
multi-user arrangement or on an electronic bulletin board system or
other remote access arrangement where more than one user can access
the program at the same time, or store it in a retrieval system or
translate it into any other language.
* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without the
express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc., except that you may
transfer the complete Program copy and accompanying materials on a
permanent basis, provided that no copies are retained and the
recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement.
* Reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or create derivative works
of the Software. YOU MAY NOT MODIFY, TRANSLATE, DISASSEMBLE OR
DECOMPILE THE SOFTWARE OR ANY COPY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART.


Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Gerry]

In article <1168643739.355126.111280@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>,
"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:
WHY

ARE YOU PEOPLE TORMENTING ME?

Why are you tormenting us?

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On 12 Jan 2007 12:51:45 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
RootsMagic is a good program, quite possibly the best genealogy
program for a lot of users, but it's not a "necessity". If you can't
afford it, just use one of the free genealogy programs.

Thanks for the hint, Charlie, but I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

Then use it.

Lots of people do excellent work without always upgrading to the
newest version.

We save aluminum cans for a man who does some of our tough yardwork
when he is able. We pay him but save the cans, too. He sells them to
make a little money. Maybe you could get your neighbors to save their
cans and you could sell them until you saved enough money to buy the
program

Hugh

[MarkA]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On 12 Jan 2007 12:51:45 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:


I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

Then use it. Lots of people do excellent work without always upgrading to the
newest version.

I have the trial version, about to expire.

We save aluminum cans for a man who does some of our tough yardwork
when he is able. We pay him but save the cans, too. He sells them to
make a little money. Maybe you could get your neighbors to save their
cans and you could sell them until you saved enough money to buy the
program

I'm not asking for charity. I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key. Just email me the key
and I'll pay you. I am PayPal verified and I can guarantee you will be
paid.

[MarkA]

MarkA wrote:

I'm not asking for charity. I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key. Just email me the key
and I'll pay you. I am PayPal verified and I can guarantee you will be
paid.

Just a reminder: the email address is "paintblot" @ hotmail dor com

[Paul Blair]

MarkA wrote:

MarkA wrote:

I'm not asking for charity. I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key. Just email me the key
and I'll pay you. I am PayPal verified and I can guarantee you will be
paid.

Just a reminder: the email address is "paintblot" @ hotmail dor com

Sheesh....you seem to be in the USA, where a download upgrade is just
shy of $20. Even a full copy is $30.

To give you a key would mean selling you my complete package, plus p&h.
It would cost you about the same as buying a new copy. You're not
suggesting that someone just give you a key for a fee, are you?

As you seem to have some sort of web connection, don't be surprised if
readers find your request a bit difficult to believe.

Paul

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On 12 Jan 2007 17:13:01 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On 12 Jan 2007 12:51:45 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:


I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

Then use it. Lots of people do excellent work without always upgrading to the
newest version.

I have the trial version, about to expire.

We save aluminum cans for a man who does some of our tough yardwork
when he is able. We pay him but save the cans, too. He sells them to
make a little money. Maybe you could get your neighbors to save their
cans and you could sell them until you saved enough money to buy the
program

I'm not asking for charity. I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key. Just email me the key
and I'll pay you. I am PayPal verified and I can guarantee you will be
paid.

If I was interested the money would be of no concern. The legitimacy
of the transaction bothers me.

If the demo time is about to run out you have not had time to become
expert in the use. I suggested two programs that were free. Down load
the free Legacy and try it. You don't need a key and it is an
excellent program.

We are trying to help but I see no sympathy for a process that is
borderline legal at best.

Hugh

[Gjest]

I consider Brother's Keeper to be one of the best out there. The
shareware version is almost fully functional and is quite a nice
database. I've been using it from 1991 till now.
I would love to drive a Mercedes, but I can't afford one. So I drive
a much lesser car. I would love to use RootsMagic. However, I
come to grips that my finances only allow for a lesser-featured
program.
To buy a license that is currently being used is fraud. The same
license on two machines by two different users...I guarantee....is
against the manufacturer's interest.

On 1/12/07, J. Hugh Sullivan <Eagle@roadrunner.com> wrote:

On 12 Jan 2007 17:13:01 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On 12 Jan 2007 12:51:45 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:


I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

Then use it. Lots of people do excellent work without always upgrading to the
newest version.

I have the trial version, about to expire.

We save aluminum cans for a man who does some of our tough yardwork
when he is able. We pay him but save the cans, too. He sells them to
make a little money. Maybe you could get your neighbors to save their
cans and you could sell them until you saved enough money to buy the
program

I'm not asking for charity. I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key. Just email me the key
and I'll pay you. I am PayPal verified and I can guarantee you will be
paid.

If I was interested the money would be of no concern. The legitimacy
of the transaction bothers me.

If the demo time is about to run out you have not had time to become
expert in the use. I suggested two programs that were free. Down load
the free Legacy and try it. You don't need a key and it is an
excellent program.

We are trying to help but I see no sympathy for a process that is
borderline legal at best.

Hugh

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[MarkA]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

If I was interested the money would be of no concern. The legitimacy
of the transaction bothers me.

Then why do'tt you look into it, and come back when you're sufficiently
educated and know that IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL FOR SOMEONE TO SELL ME
SOFTWARE THAT THEY THEN REMOVE FROM THEIR COMPUTER.

We are trying to help but I see no sympathy for a process that is
borderline legal at best.

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.

[Robert Melson]

In article <1168661580.910566.263600@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> writes:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

If I was interested the money would be of no concern. The legitimacy
of the transaction bothers me.

Then why do'tt you look into it, and come back when you're sufficiently
educated and know that IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL FOR SOMEONE TO SELL ME
SOFTWARE THAT THEY THEN REMOVE FROM THEIR COMPUTER.

We are trying to help but I see no sympathy for a process that is
borderline legal at best.

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.

And that, amigo, was uncalled for.

<plonk>

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[MarkA]

cribb...@gmail.com wrote:

To buy a license that is currently being used is fraud. The same
license on two machines by two different users...I guarantee....is
against the manufacturer's interest.

I'm interested ... have you always had a reading comprehension problem?
It must be a terrible disability in its own right.

[MarkA]

Robert Melson wrote:

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.

And that, amigo, was uncalled for.
plonk

Tell me, Bob, what would you say to someone who first told you in his
opinion you should arise from your sickbed to collect junk to pay for
something, then implied numerous times, falsely, that you were a
criminal?

Please, PLONK me, everyone with a hard heart and small brain.

[Dave Hinz]

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my
circumstances, but they did not reply.

Well then, I guess you get to save up for it, or do without. Many of us
here make our living in the software industry and resent people stealing
the work of our colleagues.

[Dave Hinz]

On 12 Jan 2007 20:31:17 -0800, MarkA <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.

And that, amigo, was uncalled for.
plonk

Tell me, Bob, what would you say to someone who first told you in his

Um. <plonk> means he's not wasting his time reading your posts, and you
are being automatically ignored by his newsreader.

opinion you should arise from your sickbed to collect junk to pay for
something, then implied numerous times, falsely, that you were a
criminal?

Just think how much better your question had gone if you'd skipped the
sob-story and just asked if anyone had a package of it that they were
done with and were willing to sell. Or if you had looked for same on
eBay. Or if you had asked what other programs might meet your needs.

Going off on someone who has years of showing value to the group, is
rarely a way to get others in the group to want to help you.

[Sherry]

"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1168650781.559029.226150@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com:

I have the trial version, about to expire.

<snip>

Umm.... I've had RM2 trial version for several months and it's never
timed out on me.


And thinking that maybe things might have changed between versions, I
took a look at the RM website, there's no time out for RM3 either.


"The FREE trials are working copies of the software that allow you to
take the program for a spin and get a feel for the interface and
feature set. The trials generally have a limitation on the amount of
information you can enter and / or a few features disabled."
http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm


Sherry

[MarkA]

Dave Hinz wrote:

Many of us
here make our living in the software industry and resent people stealing
the work of our colleagues.

The courts don't supprt your view, they supprt people having the right
to on-sell their purchases, including CDs and software. But don't let
the facts get in your way, Dave. LOL, what a microcephalic.

[MarkA]

Dave Hinz wrote:

Just think how much better your question had gone if you'd skipped the
sob-story and just asked if anyone had a package of it that they were
done with and were willing to sell. Or if you had looked for same on
eBay. Or if you had asked what other programs might meet your needs.

I'm simply telling the truth. Apparently, being physically sick in the
USA means you have some moral defect. What a cold, vicious nation this
is. It shall reap the whirlwind one day, and social upheaval will be
the result. I see dreadfully poor people living in the streets here,
many mentally ill or addicted, spat upon and beaten by young thugs,
sneered at by Bushbots, and laws are passed (Las Vegas) making it
illegal to feed the homeless or give food to derelicts living in parks.
Blood will flow one day.

Going off on someone who has years of showing value to the group, is
rarely a way to get others in the group to want to help you.

His history here does not change the fact that he's a callous,
presumptious, foolish nincompoop.

So yes, I do not ask for anyone's "help", I am asking for a
registration key by email, for which I shall pay you, in the
understanding that you will not continue to use it. THIS IS A LEGAL
TRANSACTION IN US COURTS. By buying the key I am buying the software,
since US courts have determined that the key and the software are one
and the same thing, Read the link to wikipedia I provided earlier...

[MarkA]

Sherry wrote:

And thinking that maybe things might have changed between versions, I
took a look at the RM website, there's no time out for RM3 either.

Thanks, Sherry, I did not know that. I guess I need the key then to do
things like make backups, make pdfs without "TRIAL VERSION"
obliterating all the text, and do other things that are disabled.

[Denis Beauregard]

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote in
soc.genealogy.computing:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my
circumstances, but they did not reply.

I can't comment about the content of the licence which would be
the text saying if you can do it or not, but I can comment about
something else.

If you can't afford to buy a car, take the bus. That's all.

There are some valuable free softwares to do genealogy. I
think you should use them and spend your time on genealogy,
not debating in what is now a dead end.


Denis

--
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/\/ Les Français d'Amérique - http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/
|\ French in North America before 1721 - http://www.francogene.com/quebec-genealogy/
/ | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765
oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginning to 1765

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On 12 Jan 2007 15:15:41 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> declaimed
the following in soc.genealogy.computing:

I am willing to pay an owner of this software for his/her possession if
he/she will sell it to me. THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL. THIS IS NOT WRONG! WHY
ARE YOU PEOPLE TORMENTING ME?

For much high-end software, such a transaction has to be performed

using the licensing company as a go-between. On high-end software they
need to be able to transfer the registration data (and maybe even have a
means of shutting down use by the seller).

Heck, the TMG unlock code is based upon the email address of the
original purchaser!
--
bieber.genealogy Dennis Lee Bieber
HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

[Hugh Watkins]

MarkA wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

bad luck if true - but the web is full of lies
give up a few 6 packs


I don't drink. I cannot.


and pay the owners


I am willing to pay an owner of this software for his/her possession if
he/she will sell it to me. THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL. THIS IS NOT WRONG! WHY
ARE YOU PEOPLE TORMENTING ME?


if everone was a cheap skate like you there would be no new apps


OH GOD I HOPE YOU GET VERY, VERY SICK ONE DAY SO THAT OTHERS CAN SNEER
AT YOU LIKE THIS!!

I am both old, obese and ill and I adjust my life according to what
money I have

I never buy a newspaper, I got rid of cable TV , I have no car and so I
can afford a wonderful computer which will take three more years to pay
for, I got rid of AOL - still have even freebie mailboxes - use all the
google freebies - like the spread sheet - adsense pays me about §150 a year

I use freebies and FTM 2006 (now costs about $19 on ebay end of line)
with freebie update to FTM 16

Roots Magic 3 UK Edition Genealogy Software
RootsMagic Genuine UK Edition genealogy / family history software v3
upgrade £13.95 - Free trial and new £52.45
http://www.rootsmagic.co.uk/

RootsMagic is the easiest to use family tree software available for
Windows XP, 95, 98, ME, NT, and 2000, yet is also one of the most
powerful. See why professional genealogists and beginners alike say
RootsMagic is the best genealogy software in the world. Making
Shareable CDstm to share with your family, direct integration with
GenSmarts research suggestions, and many other new features keep
RootsMagic 3 "the top of the genealogy tree".

http://www.rootsmagic.com/ RootsMagic (CD) $29.95 plus s/h
*Upgrade RootsMagic (CD) $19.95 plus s/h


===============
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Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is a free genealogy and family history
program. PAF allows you to quickly and easily collect, organize and
share your family history and genealogy information.

Download PAF << very many first class genealgists use this and this
alone for the whole of their lives


===========

Living in UK I have much better health insurance including free medicine
and dental care - but I can not afford bad habits like cigarettes or
alcohol - and live in social housing - after being legally homeless for
one year I got rehoused on the seventh floor of a very unsmart block of
flats

I have not had new clothes for 5 years - I never use a printer (ink is
too expensive or buy CDs - radio is good enough)

statistically I am well below the poverty line but by making careful
choices I have fun.

EG
I take between 40 and 100 photographs every day but never print them out
- using a mobile phone I pay nothing for film but download to my 'puter

I remember world war 2 and the nearest bomb in 1942 was 500 yards away
so I am lucky to be alive

Be of good heart - you are still alive unlike those americans and
persians (now mostly muslims but their culture predates Babylon) dying
every day in Iraq

Get real and stop sending begging letters out - 4 copies so far in my
mail box

live one day at a time - be glad you are not blind and can stil see a
VDU

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[Hugh Watkins]

Gerry wrote:

In article <1168643739.355126.111280@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>,
"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:
WHY

ARE YOU PEOPLE TORMENTING ME?



Why are you tormenting us?

LOL
in his honour

I made my first blog of the day
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[Hugh Watkins]

MarkA wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:


Just think how much better your question had gone if you'd skipped the
sob-story and just asked if anyone had a package of it that they were
done with and were willing to sell. Or if you had looked for same on
eBay. Or if you had asked what other programs might meet your needs.


I'm simply telling the truth. Apparently, being physically sick in the
USA means you have some moral defect. What a cold, vicious nation this
is. It shall reap the whirlwind one day, and social upheaval will be
the result. I see dreadfully poor people living in the streets here,
many mentally ill or addicted, spat upon and beaten by young thugs,
sneered at by Bushbots, and laws are passed (Las Vegas) making it
illegal to feed the homeless or give food to derelicts living in parks.
Blood will flow one day.


Going off on someone who has years of showing value to the group, is
rarely a way to get others in the group to want to help you.


His history here does not change the fact that he's a callous,
presumptious, foolish nincompoop.

So yes, I do not ask for anyone's "help", I am asking for a
registration key by email, for which I shall pay you, in the
understanding that you will not continue to use it. THIS IS A LEGAL
TRANSACTION IN US COURTS. By buying the key I am buying the software,
since US courts have determined that the key and the software are one
and the same thing, Read the link to wikipedia I provided earlier...

we know all of the above about USA a so called "christian" country
with a killer for a president

anyway Mark you are doing a great job of trolling and enlivening what
is often a dull group

When you troll put on an asbestos waistcoat and harden your heart first

no piece of softwear is indispensible
export a gedcom and use a freebie

Hugh W


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[Hugh Watkins]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote in
soc.genealogy.computing:


I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my
circumstances, but they did not reply.


I can't comment about the content of the licence which would be
the text saying if you can do it or not, but I can comment about
something else.

If you can't afford to buy a car, take the bus. That's all.

There are some valuable free softwares to do genealogy. I
think you should use them and spend your time on genealogy,
not debating in what is now a dead end.

I love taking the bus
I get to meet new people and chat with them

Hugh W

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Beta blogger
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[Charani]

On 12 Jan 2007 20:27:17 -0800, MarkA wrote:

I'm interested ... have you always had a reading comprehension problem?

I guess you have

It must be a terrible disability in its own right.

I agree.

Someone else has clearly said that what you are asking *is* illegal.

Being abusive isn't that way to achieve your aim. The fact that you
are becoming abusive means that you know that what you are asking is
wrong and that you know no one is going to oblige you.

Goodbye and mind the step on the way out, it's a bit steep.

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,

except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's license
key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just because
he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a reduced price.
That is a valid interest to pursue.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

[Lesley Robertson]

"Lars Erik Bryld" <larserik@dadlnet.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:xj4qy4nl753t$.dlg@lebryld.fqdn...

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,

except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's license
key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just because
he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a reduced price.
That is a valid interest to pursue.

The OP wasn't asking for the whole package, just the activation key.
Whatever the intention, this SOUNDS like so many of the scams that appear
here.
People have pointed him at good free software, and at ways to get cut price
software. He's just become abusive.
Lesley Robertson

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Lesley Robertson:

* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,
except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's
license key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Goes without saying. Nothing the OP wrote indicate he intended
otherwise, unless you insist of bad faith.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just
because he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a
reduced price. That is a valid interest to pursue.

The OP wasn't asking for the whole package, just the activation
key.

Yes, making it painfully clear he wasn't interested in a lot of paper
and plastic and the added cost of shipping it. All he asked for was
someone willing to transfer - not share - their user license to him at
a better price than the software company.

Whatever the intention, this SOUNDS like so many of the scams that
appear here.

And everybody here just jumped at the mere possibility.

People have pointed him at good free software, and at ways to get
cut price software. He's just become abusive.

After being called a criminal, and a pathetic one as well. Can't say I
don't understand him.

--
Med venlig hilsen
Lars Erik Bryld

[Allen]

MarkA wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.


And that, amigo, was uncalled for.
plonk


Tell me, Bob, what would you say to someone who first told you in his
opinion you should arise from your sickbed to collect junk to pay for
something, then implied numerous times, falsely, that you were a
criminal?

Please, PLONK me, everyone with a hard heart and small brain.

As "hard heart and small brain" seems to fit you personally, then may I
suggest that you go plonk yourself?
Allen

[Dave Hinz]

On 12 Jan 2007 21:33:14 -0800, MarkA <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:
Many of us
here make our living in the software industry and resent people stealing
the work of our colleagues.

The courts don't supprt your view, they supprt people having the right
to on-sell their purchases, including CDs and software. But don't let
the facts get in your way, Dave. LOL, what a microcephalic.

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case. By the way, your
doctrine of first sale analysis was a real hoot.

[Dave Hinz]

On 12 Jan 2007 21:41:37 -0800, MarkA <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

Just think how much better your question had gone if you'd skipped the
sob-story and just asked if anyone had a package of it that they were
done with and were willing to sell. Or if you had looked for same on
eBay. Or if you had asked what other programs might meet your needs.

I'm simply telling the truth. Apparently, being physically sick in the
USA means you have some moral defect.

No, my point is, that it's irrelevant. Bringing it up makes it look to
us, like you want special treatment because of it.

Going off on someone who has years of showing value to the group, is
rarely a way to get others in the group to want to help you.

His history here does not change the fact that he's a callous,
presumptious, foolish nincompoop.

Small children often don't like hearing the world "no". Most grow out
of it by the time they're about, oh, 4 or so?

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:18:31 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld
<larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit Lesley Robertson:

* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,
except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's
license key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Goes without saying. Nothing the OP wrote indicate he intended
otherwise, unless you insist of bad faith.

Look at the Subject. He says "Registration Key".

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:17:33 -0500, Denis Beauregard
<denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote:

On 12 Jan 2007 11:58:53 -0800, mark.amba@gmail.com wrote in
soc.genealogy.computing:

I'm unemployed and ill, and I can't afford a new licence for
RootsMagic 3. I've approached the company for a special price, given my
circumstances, but they did not reply.

I can't comment about the content of the licence which would be
the text saying if you can do it or not, but I can comment about
something else.

If you can't afford to buy a car, take the bus. That's all.

That's why I don't have a villa in Monte Carlo.

There are some valuable free softwares to do genealogy. I
think you should use them and spend your time on genealogy,
not debating in what is now a dead end.

He apparently is a troll, forgot to take his pills or his handicap
affects him from the neck up - or all three.

Several times he has been referred to freebies that are the equal of
RM and he has chosen to ignore the advice and responds with
profanities. That's what a small mind does when trying to express
itself.

Obviously if he moved to a neighboring town he would increase the IQ
where he left and decrease it where he went.

Hugh

[Hugh Watkins]

Lars Erik Bryld wrote:

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:


* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,


except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.


You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's license
key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just because
he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a reduced price.
That is a valid interest to pursue.

in the market place

he has crosspostd to 4 different groups

hugh W

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[Hugh Watkins]

Allen wrote:

MarkA wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:

fillern off, you goddamn idiot.


And that, amigo, was uncalled for.
plonk



Tell me, Bob, what would you say to someone who first told you in his
opinion you should arise from your sickbed to collect junk to pay for
something, then implied numerous times, falsely, that you were a
criminal?

Please, PLONK me, everyone with a hard heart and small brain.


As "hard heart and small brain" seems to fit you personally, then may I
suggest that you go plonk yourself?

Allen
never never believe stories in email from strangers

be safe on line
they are phishing for you

if what he wants is OK all the emotive bullshit and hypochondria is not
necessary


Hugh W



a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:41:21 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld
<larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

* Rent, lease, license or otherwise transfer this Program without
the express written consent of RootsMagic, Inc.,

except that you may transfer the complete Program copy and
accompanying materials on a permanent basis, provided that no
copies are retained and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
Agreement.

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's claim
that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with it's license
key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Your interpretation, perhaps? It seemed contridictory to me, so I made
no interpretation. You are misinterpreting the OPs post, though. He
clearly stated interest in only the registration key, not the complete
program and accompanying materials.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just because
he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a reduced price.
That is a valid interest to pursue.

Maybe you are confusing my post with someone elses? I've made no
judgement on the OP, whining, criminalistic, or otherwise.


Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit J. Hugh Sullivan:

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's
claim that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with
it's license key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Goes without saying. Nothing the OP wrote indicate he intended
otherwise, unless you insist of bad faith.

Look at the Subject. He says "Registration Key".

Look at the entire message! He's looking for someone, who has legally
bought the program, and wishes to sell it. Why bother about that, if
all he wanted was a registration key? If he doesn't need the CD, the
pacage or the manual, why add to the costs by insisting on having it
sent along. The seller could still retain an installed copy along with
the registration key.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:46:51 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld
<larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit J. Hugh Sullivan:

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's
claim that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with
it's license key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Goes without saying. Nothing the OP wrote indicate he intended
otherwise, unless you insist of bad faith.

Look at the Subject. He says "Registration Key".

Look at the entire message! He's looking for someone, who has legally
bought the program, and wishes to sell it. Why bother about that, if
all he wanted was a registration key? If he doesn't need the CD, the
pacage or the manual, why add to the costs by insisting on having it
sent along. The seller could still retain an installed copy along with
the registration key.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

But according to a previous post the program can't legally be used on
more than 1 machine at a time. In your instance would each party have
to call the other every time he wanted to run the program to see if it
was already in use?

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:46:51 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld
<larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit J. Hugh Sullivan:

You do realise that this license agreement supports the OP's
claim that it's perfectly legal to re-sell your copy along with
it's license key to a third party, just as he is requesting.

Only if you sell the complete package and stop using it yourself.

Goes without saying. Nothing the OP wrote indicate he intended
otherwise, unless you insist of bad faith.

Look at the Subject. He says "Registration Key".

Look at the entire message! He's looking for someone, who has legally
bought the program, and wishes to sell it. Why bother about that, if
all he wanted was a registration key? If he doesn't need the CD, the
pacage or the manual, why add to the costs by insisting on having it
sent along. The seller could still retain an installed copy along with
the registration key.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

I hit the send key too quickly!

Look at his first sentence. I doubt that Bruce, or his designee,
failed to reply assuming he was addressed properly. He is VERY
responsive to questions and suggestions.

Look at his continued refusal to look at free programs that have been
suggested. RM is good but it's not the only pretty girl in the chorus
line.

He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

Hugh

[Lesley Robertson]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@roadrunner.com> schreef in bericht
news:45a92694.19738682@news1.news.adelphia.net...

He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

Actually, if you have a look on s.g.oz+nz, he's changed his query to reflect

the comments he's had here - pointing out that if anyone sells to him they
have to stop using it themselves.
Seems fair enough to me, now.
Lesley Robertson

[MarkA]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Look at his first sentence. I doubt that Bruce, or his designee,
failed to reply assuming he was addressed properly. He is VERY
responsive to questions and suggestions.

I can guarantee you that Mr Buzbee simply ignored me. I used his
website submission form 4 days ago.

Look at his continued refusal to look at free programs that have been
suggested. RM is good but it's not the only pretty girl in the chorus
line.

Err .. for the nth time: I have accustomed myself to this program. I
like its charting options. I'm sure there are people out there who have
bought it, used it, moved onto something else, and don't need the
license any longer. This is not rocket science. Why have you got a hair
up your ass, "J. Hugh"? Does the thought of anyone buying anything for
less than full retail price stick in your right wing craw?

He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

You have ZERO credibility when you post too ther groups that you are
(and I quote) "as right wing as they come". You're a hard-hearted
Bush-lovin' Conservative who looks for any opportunity to exercise
your prejudices and class hatred, fillern you, you little turd. And fillern
your Glee Club of equally mentally challenged supporters

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:33 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
<l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:

"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@roadrunner.com> schreef in bericht
news:45a92694.19738682@news1.news.adelphia.net...
He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

Actually, if you have a look on s.g.oz+nz, he's changed his query to reflect
the comments he's had here - pointing out that if anyone sells to him they
have to stop using it themselves.
Seems fair enough to me, now.
Lesley Robertson

Perhaps fair to everyone except the person who created the program and
wrote the license. I guess we can dabate what is fair and what isn't,
but what the license seems to say is that in order to transfer the
program from one owner to another, one must... ".... transfer the
complete Program copy and accompanying materials on a permanent
basis...." I see no provision for a transfer of "only" the
registration key; whether or not the other material is destroyed or
not is not mentioned.

In any case, it seems to me that the license violation (if one occurs)
is on the original owner, not the buyer.... so it isn't surprising to
me that people are not looking to supply him with the registration
key.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
<invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:33 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:


"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@roadrunner.com> schreef in bericht
news:45a92694.19738682@news1.news.adelphia.net...
He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

Actually, if you have a look on s.g.oz+nz, he's changed his query to reflect
the comments he's had here - pointing out that if anyone sells to him they
have to stop using it themselves.
Seems fair enough to me, now.
Lesley Robertson


Perhaps fair to everyone except the person who created the program and
wrote the license. I guess we can dabate what is fair and what isn't,
but what the license seems to say is that in order to transfer the
program from one owner to another, one must... ".... transfer the
complete Program copy and accompanying materials on a permanent
basis...." I see no provision for a transfer of "only" the
registration key; whether or not the other material is destroyed or
not is not mentioned.

In any case, it seems to me that the license violation (if one occurs)
is on the original owner, not the buyer.... so it isn't surprising to
me that people are not looking to supply him with the registration
key.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Another point....

Why whould anyone who had purchased RM at full retail price, want to
sell the program to someone for half price and give up their "rights"
to the program, when they can return it and get a full refund? See the
first line of the license agreement, copied below:

ROOTSMAGIC, INC. LICENSE AGREEMENT

BY INSTALLING OR USING THE SOFTWARE YOU ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THIS
LICENSE WITH ROOTSMAGIC, INC. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF
THIS AGREEMENT AND YOU ARE ALSO THE ORIGINAL LICENSEE OF THIS PRODUCT
("ORIGINAL LICENSEE"), PROMPTLY RETURN THE PRODUCT TOGETHER WITH ALL
ACCOMPANYING ITEMS TO YOUR DEALER FOR A FULL REFUND.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On 13 Jan 2007 10:55:07 -0800, "MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Look at his first sentence. I doubt that Bruce, or his designee,
failed to reply assuming he was addressed properly. He is VERY
responsive to questions and suggestions.

I can guarantee you that Mr Buzbee simply ignored me. I used his
website submission form 4 days ago.

We understand.

Look at his continued refusal to look at free programs that have been
suggested. RM is good but it's not the only pretty girl in the chorus
line.

Err .. for the nth time: I have accustomed myself to this program. I
like its charting options. I'm sure there are people out there who have
bought it, used it, moved onto something else, and don't need the
license any longer. This is not rocket science. Why have you got a hair
up your ass, "J. Hugh"? Does the thought of anyone buying anything for
less than full retail price stick in your right wing craw?

He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

You have ZERO credibility when you post too ther groups that you are
(and I quote) "as right wing as they come".

Yep.

You're a hard-hearted

Yep.

Bush-lovin'

Not really - just better than the alternative we had.

Conservative

Yep.

[symptoms of dementia snipped]

I apologize to readers - obviously I don't handle little boys very
well.

Hugh

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

Your interpretation, perhaps? It seemed contridictory to me, so I
made no interpretation. You are misinterpreting the OPs post,
though. He clearly stated interest in only the registration key,
not the complete program and accompanying materials.

Yes - wanting the cheapest legal way of continuously using the trial
he already had. No need for the jewelcase, the CD or any of the other
matter and the postage expense connected with it. I really don't see
why people here are so obsessed about the transfer of physical media.
In this day and age that is of no importance. What matters is the user
license, which IS legally transferable.

Please don't accuse the OP of being a whining criminal, just
because he's trying to obtain a legal copy of the software at a
reduced price. That is a valid interest to pursue.

Maybe you are confusing my post with someone elses? I've made no
judgement on the OP, whining, criminalistic, or otherwise.

I wasn't addressing you especially, but your information in my opinion
supported the OP's claim, while you didn't seem to do so yourself, and
this thread have shown many examples of the allegations above. Somehow
many people here seem completely alienated to the idea, the OP was
trying to initiate a perfectly legal acquisition of used goods.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

Why whould anyone who had purchased RM at full retail price, want to
sell the program to someone for half price and give up their
"rights" to the program, when they can return it and get a full
refund? See the first line of the license agreement, copied below:

Come on! You know that such returns policy is intended for immediate
(here: promptly) returns, not for people, who after some month's time
come to the realisation that this program is, after all, not for them.
My shelves are piled up with ill-considered acquisitions like that,
and I wouldn't count on a full refund from any of those.

Another example: I own a legal copy of Legacy Family Tree, which was
my first genealogy application. Used the freebie, liked it well, and
wanted the extras that came with the paid version. I used it for a
long time, but eventually needed some specific features, which
remained low-priority for Millenia despite frequent requests.
Therefore I moved to Genbox Family History and bought a license for
that. I never looked back and do never intend to use Legacy again,
though it's still my main recommendation for beginners.

According to most legal jurisdictions, my single-user license and the
registration key along with it is my sole property, and legally mine
to sell at whatever prize obtainable. I can hardly go to any shop for
a full refund, though. If selling Legacy off, I'll have to hit the
Del-button, naturally. BTW I'll have nothing to ship off to prove my
claimed honesty. I only bought the license, no CD or cardboard box.

--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:46:11 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld
<larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

Your interpretation, perhaps? It seemed contridictory to me, so I
made no interpretation. You are misinterpreting the OPs post,
though. He clearly stated interest in only the registration key,
not the complete program and accompanying materials.

Yes - wanting the cheapest legal way of continuously using the trial
he already had. No need for the jewelcase, the CD or any of the other
matter and the postage expense connected with it. I really don't see
why people here are so obsessed about the transfer of physical media.
In this day and age that is of no importance. What matters is the user
license, which IS legally transferable.

Yes, the license is legally transferrable, and the license clearly
states the requirements for such a transfer (I posted them earlier in
this thread). My contention is that by the license, the owner cannot
legally transfer only the registration key. You may feel that the
accompanying material is of no consequence, and indeed, you may be
proved correct in a legal challenge. However, a simple reading of the
license says otherwise.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Dave Hinz]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:46:11 +0100, Lars Erik Bryld <larserik@dadlnet.invalid> wrote:

Scripsit Charlie Hoffpauir:

Your interpretation, perhaps? It seemed contridictory to me, so I
made no interpretation. You are misinterpreting the OPs post,
though. He clearly stated interest in only the registration key,
not the complete program and accompanying materials.

Yes - wanting the cheapest legal way of continuously using the trial
he already had. No need for the jewelcase, the CD or any of the other
matter and the postage expense connected with it. I really don't see
why people here are so obsessed about the transfer of physical media.

Because, the people who sell it, decide on the terms. If you don't like
it, don't buy it. This isn't complicated.

In this day and age that is of no importance. What matters is the user
license, which IS legally transferable.

ONLY with all the physical media. This is like the 8th time this has
been mentioned.

many people here seem completely alienated to the idea, the OP was
trying to initiate a perfectly legal acquisition of used goods.

No, he wanted to buy a valid key. Only afer challenged did he backpedal
to "oh, and the whatever-it-takes-media" point of discussion.

[TomAlciere]

MarkA wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
RootsMagic is a good program, quite possibly the best genealogy
program for a lot of users, but it's not a "necessity". If you can't
afford it, just use one of the free genealogy programs.

Thanks for the hint, Charlie, but I've got used to Rootsmagic now and
I'd like to continue using it, if that's at all possible!

Let me point out that you can export your files without any new data
entry by exporting to a GEDCOM file, which is readable by any genealogy
software. Then import that into PAF or whatever you have. Some people
don't know about this.

Tom Alciere
smart person
Nashua, New Hampshire

[Sherry]

Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in
news:50rjgrF1h5d6mU2@mid.individual.net:

<snip>

I love taking the bus
I get to meet new people and chat with them

Hugh W

Wish we had decent bus service around here - we live about 8 miles out of
town and there *is* no bus. But I would enjoy that much more than
driving. Better yet is walking - it doesn't cost as much as riding the
bus <g>

Sherry

[Lesley Robertson]

"Charlie Hoffpauir" <invalid@invalid.com> schreef in bericht
news:giciq2p773llhfd3t79547aqegb52o57kr@4ax.com...

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:33 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:


"J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@roadrunner.com> schreef in bericht
news:45a92694.19738682@news1.news.adelphia.net...
He has done very little to establish credibility - even less when you
consider his language in responses.

Actually, if you have a look on s.g.oz+nz, he's changed his query to
reflect
the comments he's had here - pointing out that if anyone sells to him they
have to stop using it themselves.
Seems fair enough to me, now.
Lesley Robertson


Perhaps fair to everyone except the person who created the program and
wrote the license. I guess we can dabate what is fair and what isn't,
but what the license seems to say is that in order to transfer the
program from one owner to another, one must... ".... transfer the
complete Program copy and accompanying materials on a permanent
basis...." I see no provision for a transfer of "only" the
registration key; whether or not the other material is destroyed or
not is not mentioned.

Read what I said. He was offering to buy the whole package on s.g.oz+nz, if

the original owner had stopped using it. That's why I said it sounded fair
enough. However, he's started all over again on alt.gen.......
Lesley Robertson

[Hugh Watkins]

Sherry wrote:

Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in
news:50rjgrF1h5d6mU2@mid.individual.net:

snip

I love taking the bus
I get to meet new people and chat with them

Hugh W



Wish we had decent bus service around here - we live about 8 miles out of
town

which town?

and there *is* no bus. But I would enjoy that much more than

driving. Better yet is walking - it doesn't cost as much as riding the
bus <g

I am in England exactly 8 miles from town living both economically and
comfortably in a very down market north Solihull suberb from the late
1960ies
(put B37 5BX into any map programme with aereal photos to see where I
live - or see my photo blogs)

the nearest archives are in Birmingham(30 mins bus + 20 mins stroll) are
at the top of the hill by the Town Hall but none of my relatives are
from here
Bristol Bath Somerset Gwent / Monmouthshire Copenhagen are the relavant
archives with parish registers

The genealogical section of the Birmingham Central Library do have
volumes of Wills and Admons which I ought to read all the way through
extracting LAPHAM deaths for my one-name study
http://lapham36.blogspot.com/ see side bar
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham many trees updated 3
days ago and already out of date

All branch libraries of Solihull (10 mins walk) and Birmingham (10 mins
bus) have ancestrylibrary edition but I find the one hour time limit
irritating

I subscribe to ancestry.co.uk £9 a month and have far from exhausted
that and need to redo my one-name study which is very much at an outline
stage of family groups from UK census, and I need to add occupations and
addresses and strays like servants

I have a busy few years in front of me

enjoy

Hugh W
--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:39:47 -0600, Sherry <sherdh@excite.com> wrote:

Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in
news:50rjgrF1h5d6mU2@mid.individual.net:

snip

I love taking the bus
I get to meet new people and chat with them

Hugh W


Wish we had decent bus service around here - we live about 8 miles out of
town and there *is* no bus. But I would enjoy that much more than
driving. Better yet is walking - it doesn't cost as much as riding the
bus <g

Sherry

I miss passenger trains - Memphis to Chicago - Great Lakes to San
Diego - Frisco to Chicago (except I don't miss the 1945 troop trains).

With all the 18 wheelers on the highway I miss trains even more.

Hugh

[Sherry]

Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in
news:50uhs5F1gviafU1@mid.individual.net:

Sherry wrote:
snip

Wish we had decent bus service around here - we live about 8 miles
out of town


which town?

Redmond, Washington.

To get anywhere on a bus I need to drive to the nearest park and ride in
town and then I can catch a bus. Not much help is it???


Sherry

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.

If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.

If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

It's legal until thrown out.

If a guy tests it and loses fine him $100k and throw him in jail for 5
years. That will reduce the test cases.

Hugh

[Dave Hinz]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.

If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

This isn't subtle. You asked to buy the license key, the license says
all-or-nothing. The end. Go run along now, little troll.

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net
wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.
If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

It's legal until thrown out.

If a guy tests it and loses fine him $100k and throw him in jail for 5
years. That will reduce the test cases.

Hugh

IOW, no argument at all. As I suspected.

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.
If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

This isn't subtle. You asked to buy the license key, the license says
all-or-nothing. The end. Go run along now, little troll.

You confirm my suspicions. You know nothing about the case law, and you
are relying on an obscure and un-enforceable (and probably unlawful)
provision of the RM license to make your argument.

You lose.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:00:22 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net
wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.
If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

It's legal until thrown out.

If a guy tests it and loses fine him $100k and throw him in jail for 5
years. That will reduce the test cases.

Hugh

IOW, no argument at all. As I suspected.

I never argue with your ilk - I prefer to teach another pig to sing.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:47 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:00:39 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

I am _very_ familiar with the laws in this case.
If that's the case, explain why you are right (without referring to the
Rootsmagic license, which is legally untested). Rely on existing case
law. I'm looking forward to this.

This isn't subtle. You asked to buy the license key, the license says
all-or-nothing. The end. Go run along now, little troll.


You confirm my suspicions. You know nothing about the case law, and you
are relying on an obscure and un-enforceable (and probably unlawful)
provision of the RM license to make your argument.

You lose.

I like the double zero in your sig - a double nothing describes you
very well.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

I like the double zero in your sig - a double nothing describes you
very well.
Hugh

Hugh, breathe the other way, please. Your opinions are bleaching my hair.

[Charani]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:53:04 +0100, Lesley Robertson wrote:

Read what I said. He was offering to buy the whole package on s.g.oz+nz, if
the original owner had stopped using it. That's why I said it sounded fair
enough. However, he's started all over again on alt.gen.......

He's tried it in s.g.brit as well with the same reaction too.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:30:14 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
I like the double zero in your sig - a double nothing describes you
very well.
Hugh

Hugh, breathe the other way, please. Your opinions are bleaching my hair.

You would like it less if I turned around.

Play school is out - it's time for mommy to pick you up.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:30:14 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
I like the double zero in your sig - a double nothing describes you
very well.
Hugh

Hugh, breathe the other way, please. Your opinions are bleaching my hair.

You would like it less if I turned around.

Play school is out - it's time for mommy to pick you up.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Play school is out - it's time for mommy to pick you up.

Hugh

Hugh, if I want any shit from you, I'll squeeze your head.

[R00tsMagic]

Charani wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:53:04 +0100, Lesley Robertson wrote:

Read what I said. He was offering to buy the whole package on s.g.oz+nz, if
the original owner had stopped using it. That's why I said it sounded fair
enough. However, he's started all over again on alt.gen.......

He's tried it in s.g.brit as well with the same reaction too.

Tried to buy something from someone who doesn't want it, so what? What
is the matter with you? Does this really threaten your profits to that
great extent?

Or are you scared that I might start a trend? Aaah, so that's it. Haha.

[Dave Mayall]

"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168635372.531865.249700@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

In a sentence I think what you want is dishonest UNLESS Bruce and
company agree to it.

I do not understand. Are you saying that you cannot sell software you
legally own? That would be like forbidding someone to onsell any other
form of property. A license to use software is a possession and should
be resaleable if no longer required.

It isn't, live with it.

A licence is just that. It purchases a right for a single person to use the
software.

Just as if I buy a rail season ticket, I can't sell it on.

[Dave Mayall]

"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168650781.559029.226150@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...

I'm not asking for charity.

So what are you asking for?

I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key.

Hmm, so either you want them to sell it for less than they paid, which
sounds like charity, or you want both you and the seller to use a single
key, which sounds like theft.

Which is it?

[Dave Mayall]

"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168714501.320698.315390@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Look at his first sentence. I doubt that Bruce, or his designee,
failed to reply assuming he was addressed properly. He is VERY
responsive to questions and suggestions.

I can guarantee you that Mr Buzbee simply ignored me. I used his
website submission form 4 days ago.

What FOUR WHOLE DAYS.

WOW!

Then again, why should he bother responding to someone whose only interest
seems to be getting the software for pretty much free?

Err .. for the nth time: I have accustomed myself to this program. I
like its charting options.

So, pay for it then!

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Mayall wrote:

A licence is just that. It purchases a right for a single person to
use the

software. Just as if I buy a rail season ticket, I can't sell it on.

Another ignorant git.

"The first-sale doctrine as it relates to computer software is an area
of legal confusion. Software publishers claim the first-sale doctrine
does not apply because software is licensed, not sold, under the terms
of an End User License Agreement (EULA). The courts have issued contrary
decisions regarding the first-sale rights of consumers. Bauer & Cie. v.
O'Donnell and Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus are two US Supreme Court cases
that deal with copyright holders trying to enforce terms beyond the
scope of copyright and patent, by calling it a license. Many state
courts have also ruled that a sale of software is indeed a sale of goods
under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) at the point where funds are
exchanged for the physical copy of the software. The licensed and not
sold argument is held mostly in the 8th and 7th Circuits while other
circuits tend to support the opposite, thus leading to conflicting court
opinions such as seen in the 3rd Circuit Step-Saver Data Systems, Inc.
v. Wyse Technology and fifth circuit Vault Corp. v. Quaid Software as
opposed to the 8th Circuit Blizzard v. BNETD (Davidson & Associates v.
Internet Gateway Inc (2004)), which have not been resolved by the
Supreme Court.

Federal district courts in California and Texas have issued decisions
applying the doctrine of first sale for bundled computer software in
Softman v. Adobe (2001) and Novell, Inc. v. CPU Distrib., Inc. (2000)
even if the software contains an EULA prohibiting resale. In the Softman
case, after purchasing bundled software (A box containing many programs
that are also available individually) from Adobe Systems, Softman
unbundled it and then resold the component programs. The court ruled
that Softman could resell the bundled software, no matter what the EULA
stipulates, because Softman had never assented to the EULA.
Specifically, the ruling decreed that software purchases be treated as
sales transactions, rather than explicit license agreements. In other
words, the court ruling argued that California consumers should have the
same rights they would enjoy under existing copyright legislation when
buying a CD or a book.

In a more recent case involving software EULA's and first-sale rights
[Davidson & Associates v. Internet Gateway Inc (2004)][1], the US
District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri issued a ruling
which appears to contradict the position of the district courts in
California and Texas. The first sale reasoning of the Softman court was
challenged, with the court ruling "The first sale doctrine is only
triggered by an actual sale. Accordingly, a copyright owner does not
forfeit his right of distribution by entering into a licensing
agreement." In addition, the court found the plaintiff's EULA, which
prohibited resale, was binding on the defendants because "The defendants
... expressly consented to the terms of the EULA and Terms of Use by
clicking 'I Agree' and 'Agree.'" This runs counter to Softman v. Adobe.
The difference in these rulings has yet to be resolved by a higher court."

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Mayall wrote:

"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168650781.559029.226150@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...

I'm not asking for charity.

So what are you asking for?

I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key.

Hmm, so either you want them to sell it for less than they paid, which
sounds like charity, or you want both you and the seller to use a single
key, which sounds like theft.

Which is it?

Why would buying something from someone who no longer needs it equate to
charity, ya moron? I'm not asking for it to be /given/ (although please
note: I will accept the license as a gift )

Offers to
paintblot@hotmail.com

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Mayall wrote:

So, pay for it then!

Read the whole thread. I've stated repeatedly that I cannot afford full
price, and I'm looking at the aftermarket.

If someone buys software and then stops using it, they may resell it to
someone else. The US court system has upheld this principle, but some
courts have gone against it (one can only imagine the lobbying from
Gates & co.). It is a grey area until the Supreme Court makes a ruling.
As of now, the Doctrine of First Sale still pertains.

[Gerry]

In article <OpPqh.91204$lD5.56615@newsfe14.phx>,
R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

Dave Mayall wrote:

So, pay for it then!

Read the whole thread. I've stated repeatedly that I cannot afford full
price, and I'm looking at the aftermarket.

If you had spent all the time an effort you have put into all the
ongoing email messages you could have found a way to raise enough money
to buy the full registered product.

Even panhandling at your corner grocery store would have been more
efficient than your current efforts.

[R00tsMagic]

Gerry wrote:

If you had spent all the time an effort you have put into all the
ongoing email messages you could have found a way to raise enough
money to buy the full registered product.

Even panhandling at your corner grocery store would have been more
efficient than your current efforts.

I'm bedridden currently, so what can I do?

[Gerry]

In article <AIPqh.91208$lD5.59932@newsfe14.phx>,
R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

Gerry wrote:

If you had spent all the time an effort you have put into all the
ongoing email messages you could have found a way to raise enough
money to buy the full registered product.

Even panhandling at your corner grocery store would have been more
efficient than your current efforts.

I'm bedridden currently, so what can I do?

Sell some of your possessions on eBay.

[R00tsMagic]

Gerry wrote:

Sell some of your possessions on eBay.

LOL, I have so little. If you only knew, Gerry ...

[Hugh Watkins]

R00tsMagic wrote:

Dave Mayall wrote:

So, pay for it then!


Read the whole thread. I've stated repeatedly that I
am an ignorant fool and I don't want to

in the undertext of course

Hugh W
--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[Hugh Watkins]

R00tsMagic wrote:

Gerry wrote:

If you had spent all the time an effort you have put into all the
ongoing email messages you could have found a way to raise enough
money to buy the full registered product.

Even panhandling at your corner grocery store would have been more
efficient than your current efforts.


I'm bedridden currently, so what can I do?

keep taking your medication

but I don't believe you are bedridden
because you are swimming in stinking diarrhoea and must be choking for air

(verbal)

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:02:45 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Play school is out - it's time for mommy to pick you up.

Hugh

Hugh, if I want any shit from you, I'll squeeze your head.

Bring help little boy - I think I can handle a bed-ridden guy.

It's time...

From now on when you go to the bathroom put your weight on the wall.
In case you fall in someone might want to know how much to dip out.

Hugh

[R00tsMagic]

Hugh Watkins wrote:

because you are swimming in stinking
diarrhoea and must be choking for air

You certainly know how to raise the tone here. Kudos. You are living
proof that manure can sprout legs and walk.

[Dave Hinz]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:47 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

This isn't subtle. You asked to buy the license key, the license says
all-or-nothing. The end. Go run along now, little troll.

You confirm my suspicions. You know nothing about the case law, and you
are relying on an obscure and un-enforceable (and probably unlawful)
provision of the RM license to make your argument.

I'm not going to play lawyer with some anonymous troll on Usenet who has
shown himself to be deceptive and abusive at best.

You lose.

This must be some meaning of the word "lose" which I have not previously
encountered. Just think of all the effort you have wasted on this
quest. Is your time worth so little that 30 bucks or whatever the
program is worth, hasn't been wasted by now?

[Dave Hinz]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:05:12 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

Charani wrote:

He's tried it in s.g.brit as well with the same reaction too.

Tried to buy something from someone who doesn't want it, so what? What
is the matter with you? Does this really threaten your profits to that
great extent?

News flash: not everyone who disagrees with you, is doing so for
financial benefit. In fact, I don't think _anyone_ here works for
rootsmagic.

Or are you scared that I might start a trend? Aaah, so that's it. Haha.

I don't think there's much risk of someone with your people skills
gathering a following, actually.

[Dave Hinz]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:31:49 GMT, Gerry <everyday@sunrise.net> wrote:

In article <AIPqh.91208$lD5.59932@newsfe14.phx>,
R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net> wrote:

I'm bedridden currently, so what can I do?

Sell some of your possessions on eBay.

Better yet, cancel your internet subscription. That way you get your
software, _and_ we don't have to see your rants. I'm not seeing a
downside.

I'll say it again. Imagine how much more productive this thread had
been if, instead of getting abusive when the problems with your approach
were pointed out, you had said "OK, so how do I do this then, or what
free packages meet my needs (list needs here)".

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Hinz wrote:

Is your time worth so little that 30 bucks or whatever the
program is worth, hasn't been wasted by now?

Bedridden, so yes is the answer.

[Robert Melson]

In article <512pg0F1ikoe2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>>

This must be some meaning of the word "lose" which I have not previously
encountered. Just think of all the effort you have wasted on this
quest. Is your time worth so little that 30 bucks or whatever the
program is worth, hasn't been wasted by now?

Face it, Dave. ROOts (or whatever the name-du-jour is) has
gotten what he wanted - attention. #hile he may just be right
about the issue of license sale and transfer, that really wasn't
the real objective of his original post or of his subsequent
diatribes. In his condition of emotional and ethical impoverishment
he needs attention and has chosen to troll the genealogy groups in
order to get it. I really feel kinda sorry for him, but not so
much that I want to continue reading his drivel.

Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

[Dave Mayall]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:58:50 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

Dave Mayall wrote:

A licence is just that. It purchases a right for a single person to
use the
software. Just as if I buy a rail season ticket, I can't sell it on.

Another ignorant git.

Given your unwillingless to listen to anybody, one wonders why you
bothered to post here.

It is abundantly clear that you are interested only in sponging off
others, and in abusing anybody who dares expose you as a sponger.

However, you are now a busted flush, and everybody has seen you for
what you are.

[Dave Mayall]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:04:18 -0800, R00tsMagic <sellyours2me@cox.net>
wrote:

Dave Mayall wrote:
"MarkA" <mark.amba@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168650781.559029.226150@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...

I'm not asking for charity.

So what are you asking for?

I want to pay as much as I can to anyone
who wants some money for their registration key.

Hmm, so either you want them to sell it for less than they paid, which
sounds like charity, or you want both you and the seller to use a single
key, which sounds like theft.

Which is it?

Why would buying something from someone who no longer needs it equate to
charity, ya moron?

nice guy aren't you?

Little wonder that you are unemployed given the way you relate to
others.

[R00tsMagic]

Dave Mayall wrote:

nice guy aren't you?

Little wonder that you are unemployed given the way you relate to
others.

It always amazes me on the Internet how one is supposed to just "take it
on the chin" when others attack you, calling you a liar, thief, pirate,
malingerer, etc. When I started responding in kind, I am immediately
labeled the bad boy, and all the accusers are the good people, nice
people, reasonable people, people who are okay because you've seen their
posts before and you may even have had a nice word or two with them.
It's just disgusting. It's the reason why humans can objectify the
"other" as bad, and then attack them. The same sort of psychology is
going to lead to an attack on Iran in the next few months, you wait and see.