Handling change of surname in FTM?

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Terry Pinnell

Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Terry Pinnell » 11 des 2005 14:04:06

I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?

There are some conflicting interpretations of the 1861 and 1851
censuses, where I've found Cottrell, Cottrill and Cotrel, so I'll
leave those even older issues aside for now.

Practical advice on the best way to handle this would be appreciated
please.

BTW, it's odd that my 87 year old aunt (who is very reliable in her
memories), is apparently unaware of COTTERILL. My search has taken
much longer over the last couple of days simply because I started from
her confident spelling of gran's surname as COTTRELL. Is the most
likely reason that, sometime after the 1901 census, and probably
before my aunt's birth in 1918, the family for some reason reverted to
the older name?

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

Fred Tiedemann Croese

Re: Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Fred Tiedemann Croese » 13 des 2005 16:36:46

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> schreef in bericht
news:9p6op1125h2bquhr5o36iuq84la2dv93qu@4ax.com...
I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?

There are some conflicting interpretations of the 1861 and 1851
censuses, where I've found Cottrell, Cottrill and Cotrel, so I'll
leave those even older issues aside for now.

Practical advice on the best way to handle this would be appreciated
please.

BTW, it's odd that my 87 year old aunt (who is very reliable in her
memories), is apparently unaware of COTTERILL. My search has taken
much longer over the last couple of days simply because I started from
her confident spelling of gran's surname as COTTRELL. Is the most
likely reason that, sometime after the 1901 census, and probably
before my aunt's birth in 1918, the family for some reason reverted to
the older name?

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

You can use the "More" button to add a fact called "Name".
That will give you listings like this:
Ancestors of Marie Josepha Gobvee


Generation No. 1

1. Marie Josepha Gobvee (Source: Gemeentearchief Amsterdam.). She married
(1) Joseph le Dain (Source: Gemeentearchief Amsterdam.).

More About Marie Josepha Gobvee:
Name 2: Marie Joseph Cocquis (Source: GenLias)

Lesley Robertson

Re: Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 13 des 2005 17:04:29

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:9p6op1125h2bquhr5o36iuq84la2dv93qu@4ax.com...
I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?

On the main page, use the spelling that the person generally used when
alive. Then, assuming that FTM 2006 is the same as 2005, click on the [edit
individual] button for the person in question, and on the box that comes up
you will see a box for AKA - put the alternative spelling here. Then they'll
both come up in the index. Of course if you find a 3rd spelling, you'll have
to add it as an extra fact, but it won't show in the index.
Lesley Robertson

Terry Pinnell

Re: Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Terry Pinnell » 13 des 2005 18:16:48

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:9p6op1125h2bquhr5o36iuq84la2dv93qu@4ax.com...
I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?

On the main page, use the spelling that the person generally used when
alive. Then, assuming that FTM 2006 is the same as 2005, click on the [edit
individual] button for the person in question, and on the box that comes up
you will see a box for AKA - put the alternative spelling here. Then they'll
both come up in the index. Of course if you find a 3rd spelling, you'll have
to add it as an extra fact, but it won't show in the index.
Lesley Robertson

Thanks both. It seems that a combination of AKA, Facts, and Notes
should allow me to keep track. The aspect that is still a bit unclear
to me is what to do when, on a father's page, I'm adding children with
surname SMYTHE, knowing that they will be using (or getting recorded
in censuses with) SMITH in the next (more recent) generation.

Is there perhaps a good case for calling *all* generations just ONE
consistent name, SMITH, that being the most modern one whose tree you
are building? And of course covering the variations with AKA, Facts,
and Notes (or the equivalents in other software)?

This would have the major advantage of being easier to
organise/index/find. However, the major disadvantage would appear to
be that it would obviously not be historically authentic.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

Charlie Hoffpauir

Re: Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Charlie Hoffpauir » 13 des 2005 18:43:15

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:16:48 +0000, Terry Pinnell
<terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote:

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:9p6op1125h2bquhr5o36iuq84la2dv93qu@4ax.com...
I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?

On the main page, use the spelling that the person generally used when
alive. Then, assuming that FTM 2006 is the same as 2005, click on the [edit
individual] button for the person in question, and on the box that comes up
you will see a box for AKA - put the alternative spelling here. Then they'll
both come up in the index. Of course if you find a 3rd spelling, you'll have
to add it as an extra fact, but it won't show in the index.
Lesley Robertson

Thanks both. It seems that a combination of AKA, Facts, and Notes
should allow me to keep track. The aspect that is still a bit unclear
to me is what to do when, on a father's page, I'm adding children with
surname SMYTHE, knowing that they will be using (or getting recorded
in censuses with) SMITH in the next (more recent) generation.

Is there perhaps a good case for calling *all* generations just ONE
consistent name, SMITH, that being the most modern one whose tree you
are building? And of course covering the variations with AKA, Facts,
and Notes (or the equivalents in other software)?

This would have the major advantage of being easier to
organise/index/find. However, the major disadvantage would appear to
be that it would obviously not be historically authentic.

Well, it's pretty much impossible to be "historically accurate" in all
cases, because there was just so many variations in spelling any name
a few hundred years ago. I tend to just go with whatever seems OK,
making copious notes along the way. The need to be able to affix notes
to anything is one of the reasons I gave up on FTM after nearly 10
years of use.
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Hugh Watkins

Re: Handling change of surname in FTM?

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 14 des 2005 05:44:26

Lesley Robertson wrote:
"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:9p6op1125h2bquhr5o36iuq84la2dv93qu@4ax.com...

I'm building my tree in FTM 2006, and am now 4 weeks into the hobby.
But I've just encountered a change of surname in one line and am
unsure how best to handle it.

From the respective England censuses, in 1901 my gran's family was
COTTERILL. I can't find them in 1891 but in the 1881 Census they were
also COTTERILL.

But in the 1871 Census they are COTTRELL. So the parents that I'd
previously recorded as John and Sarah COTTERILL were then COTTRELL,
and their children were too, of course. Is it a matter of now making a
choice, altering one to the other throughout the file? And simply
using the Notes box to explain? If so, is there any special merit in
older versus newer? Or is there some way I can preserve *both*
surnames structurally, without getting into a real mess?


On the main page, use the spelling that the person generally used when
alive.

snip

I prefer that from the oldest original record

remember most census records are *copies* of the householders returns
which have long since been destroyed
so census spelling may safely be ignored
ancestry.co.uk and ancestry.com allow you to post alternative names

I often post full names including midle names for my *certain* ancestors
In the1950ies I knew several people alive in 1881

I have just found some Dublin

Laphen, Michael, 41 Phillipsburgh avenue
Laphen, Rev. John, 83 Marlborough street
http://www.libraryireland.com/DublinDirectory1850/l.php

almost certainly a dialect vartiation of LAPHAM

found via cyndi's list daily news

so they will got in FTM as AKA LAPHAM
be blogged in http://kilmington.blogspot.com/

and later appear in the LPAHM one-name study

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham
on the next update

Hugh W

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