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Carsten Grøndal

Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Carsten Grøndal » 16 okt 2004 19:11:21

Hey.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

When she died she had an husbond called Henry/Harry Hansen. I don't know if
he is still alive.

They had two sons, Allen and Gerry.

Don't know anything about them except their names.

Is their any place I can write to in Florida? (zip code 33542) to find out
anything about the family? Or is that not possible?

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark

Doug Corbin

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Doug Corbin » 16 okt 2004 20:45:49

Here's a link to a Yahoo People Search for the surname Hansen in
Zephyrhills, FL. There's an Allen Hansen listed as well as a Harold Hansen.
Harry can be a nickname for Harold.

http://tinyurl.com/5pnp4

Doug

"Carsten Grøndal" <carsten-g(FJERNMIG)@privat.dk> wrote in message
news:4171563e$0$258$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk...
Hey.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found
her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

When she died she had an husbond called Henry/Harry Hansen. I don't know
if
he is still alive.

They had two sons, Allen and Gerry.

Don't know anything about them except their names.

Is their any place I can write to in Florida? (zip code 33542) to find out
anything about the family? Or is that not possible?

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark


Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 16 okt 2004 20:54:57

"Carsten Grøndal" wrote:

Hey.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

When she died she had an husbond called Henry/Harry Hansen. I don't know if
he is still alive.

They had two sons, Allen and Gerry.

Don't know anything about them except their names.

Is their any place I can write to in Florida? (zip code 33542) to find out
anything about the family? Or is that not possible?

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark

Hei Carsten

Have you tried the US telephone directory yet? http://www.switchboard.com/

There are 4 people in that Zip code in Zephyrhills. That may be worth a phone
call. You can also do a search on just Hansen and Florida (FL) and it will give
you all of the people named Hansen. Perhaps you will find someone you can
telephone?

HTH
Bob

Patscga

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Patscga » 16 okt 2004 23:19:48

The Social Security Index would be the place to find out her exact date of
death and where she died and then you could send for her death certificate. I
did a search but couldn't find her name with the death date of 1983 in Florida.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.


Pat

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 17 okt 2004 00:35:32

Patscga wrote:

The Social Security Index would be the place to find out her exact date of
death and where she died and then you could send for her death certificate. I
did a search but couldn't find her name with the death date of 1983 in Florida.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

And here it is!

Name HANSEN, FRANCES
SS# 106-22-3747
Issue State NY
Birth 26 Dec 1928
Death Nov 1983
Last Payment Location Largo, Florida 33542
and a note regarding the zipcode 33542
As of April 1997, this ZIP Code was not in use by the U.S. Postal Service. The
location associated with this footnote may have once been associated with this ZIP
Code or may be in the same general geographic region of the U.S. It is also
possible that the Social Security Administration had the wrong ZIP Code listed for
this person.

HTH
Bob

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 17 okt 2004 01:14:41

Robert Heiling wrote:

Patscga wrote:

The Social Security Index would be the place to find out her exact date of
death and where she died and then you could send for her death certificate. I
did a search but couldn't find her name with the death date of 1983 in Florida.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

And here it is!

Name HANSEN, FRANCES
SS# 106-22-3747
Issue State NY
Birth 26 Dec 1928
Death Nov 1983
Last Payment Location Largo, Florida 33542
and a note regarding the zipcode 33542
As of April 1997, this ZIP Code was not in use by the U.S. Postal Service. The
location associated with this footnote may have once been associated with this ZIP
Code or may be in the same general geographic region of the U.S. It is also
possible that the Social Security Administration had the wrong ZIP Code listed for
this person.

That note regarding zipcode should be taken seriously and if you do a lookup on Allen
Hansen you find:
Hansen, Allen
4045 Allen Rd,
Zephyrhills, FL 33541-3607
(813) 788-2969

Note that it's 33541 instead of 33542 and right next door. That is ~50 miles from
Largo, FL 33778. Not very far. If I were you, I would call that Allen Hansen. The
worst they can do is hangup on you. Introduce yourself first and tell him what you
told us here. Then he will either tell you that he is the right person or he will say
that he is not. Call in the evening his time and I believe the time difference is 6
hours or call on a weekend.

Mvh
Bob

Hugh Watkins

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 17 okt 2004 01:18:07

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4171A263.9BB6B631@comcast.net...
Patscga wrote:

The Social Security Index would be the place to find out her exact date
of
death and where she died and then you could send for her death
certificate. I
did a search but couldn't find her name with the death date of 1983 in
Florida.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found
her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

And here it is!

Name HANSEN, FRANCES
SS# 106-22-3747
Issue State NY
Birth 26 Dec 1928
Death Nov 1983
Last Payment Location Largo, Florida 33542
and a note regarding the zipcode 33542
As of April 1997, this ZIP Code was not in use by the U.S. Postal Service.
The
location associated with this footnote may have once been associated with
this ZIP
Code or may be in the same general geographic region of the U.S. It is
also
possible that the Social Security Administration had the wrong ZIP Code
listed for
this person.


most -sen names are danish so if you are doing family history work back
through citizenship and ships list to Denmark which has no public Social
Security Index, so you need a parish to get into the records -

Hugh W

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 17 okt 2004 01:53:27

Hugh Watkins wrote:

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4171A263.9BB6B631@comcast.net...
Patscga wrote:

The Social Security Index would be the place to find out her exact date
of
death and where she died and then you could send for her death
certificate. I
did a search but couldn't find her name with the death date of 1983 in
Florida.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found
her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

And here it is!

Name HANSEN, FRANCES
SS# 106-22-3747
Issue State NY
Birth 26 Dec 1928
Death Nov 1983
Last Payment Location Largo, Florida 33542
and a note regarding the zipcode 33542
As of April 1997, this ZIP Code was not in use by the U.S. Postal Service.
The
location associated with this footnote may have once been associated with
this ZIP
Code or may be in the same general geographic region of the U.S. It is
also
possible that the Social Security Administration had the wrong ZIP Code
listed for
this person.

most -sen names are danish so if you are doing family history work back
through citizenship and ships list to Denmark which has no public Social
Security Index, so you need a parish to get into the records -

Pat snipped the beginning of the thread so it wasn't obvious, but the OP is
Carsten Grøndal and is, in fact, posting from Denmark.

Bob

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Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 17 okt 2004 02:28:58

Hei Carsten,
Where in Florida were they living? What was Frances' maiden name?
Margit i Minnesota


Hey.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

When she died she had an husbond called Henry/Harry Hansen. I don't know if
he is still alive.

They had two sons, Allen and Gerry.

Don't know anything about them except their names.

Is their any place I can write to in Florida? (zip code 33542) to find out
anything about the family? Or is that not possible?

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark


Carsten Grøndal

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Carsten Grøndal » 17 okt 2004 19:40:28

Hi
Thank you all for yuor help so far. The Allen Hansen in Zephyrhills, Florida
has no longer the phone nummer I can find in US Telephone directory.

I don't know where in Florida they were living. All I have from Frances
sister in Denmark is that she went to the United States in 1923, got married
and got two sons.

In Denmark all people are given a 4 digit nummer by their birth. Along with
their birthday date so every time we are in contact with authorities we tell
that 10 digit number so every details of our life can be seen. We are
registrered at all places.

I wondered if I could call a city hall or something in Florida and tell them
about Frances dead in 1983. Can they then tell me anything about her man at
that time? Where they lived or maybye if he moved after her death or
something?

Frances maiden name was Nielsen.

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 17 okt 2004 22:15:29

"Carsten Grøndal" wrote:

Hi
Thank you all for yuor help so far. The Allen Hansen in Zephyrhills, Florida
has no longer the phone nummer I can find in US Telephone directory.

Please explain what you mean by that. What happened when you called the number?
Did a person answer? What did they say? or did you get a recorded message from
the telephone company? or?

I don't know where in Florida they were living. All I have from Frances
sister in Denmark is that she went to the United States in 1923, got married
and got two sons.

In Denmark all people are given a 4 digit nummer by their birth. Along with
their birthday date so every time we are in contact with authorities we tell
that 10 digit number so every details of our life can be seen. We are
registrered at all places.

Your hitting one of my hot buttons now. We have possibly reached that point of
loss of privacy ourselves with the new identification requirements as an outcome
of the Patriot Act.

I wondered if I could call a city hall or something in Florida and tell them
about Frances dead in 1983. Can they then tell me anything about her man at
that time? Where they lived or maybye if he moved after her death or
something?

I don't think so.

Frances maiden name was Nielsen.

Let's hear about that phone call.

Bob

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Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 17 okt 2004 22:29:56

This Frances Hansen was born in 1928. Does not fit with her coming to
America in 1923?
Margit

Florida Death index
Name: Frances Hansen
Certificate: 102212
Death Place: Pinellas
Race: W
Death Date: 08 Nov 1983
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1928
Hi
Thank you all for yuor help so far. The Allen Hansen in Zephyrhills, Florida
has no longer the phone nummer I can find in US Telephone directory.

I don't know where in Florida they were living. All I have from Frances
sister in Denmark is that she went to the United States in 1923, got married
and got two sons.

In Denmark all people are given a 4 digit nummer by their birth. Along with
their birthday date so every time we are in contact with authorities we tell
that 10 digit number so every details of our life can be seen. We are
registrered at all places.

I wondered if I could call a city hall or something in Florida and tell them
about Frances dead in 1983. Can they then tell me anything about her man at
that time? Where they lived or maybye if he moved after her death or
something?

Frances maiden name was Nielsen.

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark


Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 17 okt 2004 23:43:35

Margit wrote:

This Frances Hansen was born in 1928. Does not fit with her coming to
America in 1923?
Margit

Typo?

Florida Death index
Name: Frances Hansen
Certificate: 102212
Death Place: Pinellas
Race: W
Death Date: 08 Nov 1983
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1928

He had posted the birthdate a few days ago in a post with a different subject
header before getting the SSDI info:

I'm looking for Frances. Surname Nielsen. Born 26/12 1928. Her mother was
Olga Katrine Hansen and came from Denmark in 1923

Olga died in NY September 1981. Frances father Aksel Nielsen died same place
April 1986. Brooklyn, Kings, New York

Bob

L Covey

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av L Covey » 17 okt 2004 23:53:08

Robert Heiling wrote:

"Carsten Grøndal" wrote:


Hey.

I have asked for information about a Frances Hansen before. I have found her
now. Birth in 1928 and death 1983 in Florida.

When she died she had an husbond called Henry/Harry Hansen. I don't know if
he is still alive.

They had two sons, Allen and Gerry.

Don't know anything about them except their names.

Is their any place I can write to in Florida? (zip code 33542) to find out
anything about the family? Or is that not possible?

Kind regards from

Carsten Grøndal, Denmark


Hei Carsten

Have you tried the US telephone directory yet? http://www.switchboard.com/

There are 4 people in that Zip code in Zephyrhills. That may be worth a phone
call. You can also do a search on just Hansen and Florida (FL) and it will give
you all of the people named Hansen. Perhaps you will find someone you can
telephone?

HTH
Bob



I find 12 Hansen listings at http://www.anywho.com for Zephyrhills, FL

LC

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Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 18 okt 2004 02:23:13

Thanks Bob, I did not catch the birthdate earlier.
Margit

Margit wrote:

This Frances Hansen was born in 1928. Does not fit with her coming to
America in 1923?
Margit

Typo?

Florida Death index
Name: Frances Hansen
Certificate: 102212
Death Place: Pinellas
Race: W
Death Date: 08 Nov 1983
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1928

He had posted the birthdate a few days ago in a post with a different subject
header before getting the SSDI info:

I'm looking for Frances. Surname Nielsen. Born 26/12 1928. Her mother was
Olga Katrine Hansen and came from Denmark in 1923

Olga died in NY September 1981. Frances father Aksel Nielsen died same place
April 1986. Brooklyn, Kings, New York

Bob

singhals

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av singhals » 18 okt 2004 15:00:39

Carsten Grøndal wrote:

Hi
Thank you all for yuor help so far. The Allen Hansen in Zephyrhills, Florida
has no longer the phone nummer I can find in US Telephone directory.

Many people who are elderly and in care facilities (nursing home,
assisted living, etc) do not have phones listed to their own names.

Try an ad in a local newspaper.

Cheryl

Dave Hinz

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 18 okt 2004 18:42:53

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:18:07 -0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote:
most -sen names are danish

Or Norwegian, of course.

Carsten Grøndal

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Carsten Grøndal » 18 okt 2004 21:26:39

Hi again.

When I called the number i Zephyrhills an answermessing machine told me that
the number I called was either disconnected or no longer in use. That was
what I meant.

I wrote "Frances sister". That was wrong. I meant Frances mothers sisters
daughter in Denmark. It is from her I have the few informations so far.

About the registration in Denmark. It has been so now for more than 30
years. Every time you go to an office to ask for help of any kind, go to
your bank, insurrance company or what ever, they want your number before
your name. So it is and I don't think we want it different know here in
Denmark.

Carsten

Dave Hinz

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 18 okt 2004 21:37:30

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:26:39 +0200, Carsten Grøndal <carsten-g@privat.dk> wrote:
About the registration in Denmark. It has been so now for more than 30
years. Every time you go to an office to ask for help of any kind, go to
your bank, insurrance company or what ever, they want your number before
your name. So it is and I don't think we want it different know here in
Denmark.

So just like the Social Security Number here in the US, then. It's not
supposed to be used like that, but it pretty much is.

Dave Hinz

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 18 okt 2004 23:25:28

"Carsten Grøndal" wrote:

Hi again.

When I called the number i Zephyrhills an answermessing machine told me that
the number I called was either disconnected or no longer in use. That was
what I meant.

I wrote "Frances sister". That was wrong. I meant Frances mothers sisters
daughter in Denmark. It is from her I have the few informations so far.

Hei

After hearing that, I just called the number myself and got that same recording.
Usually if a person has moved, they will get a new number and the recording will
give the new number. Not everybody would do that though. It is also possible
that they wanted an unlisted number for some reason and cancelled that one and
got a new unlisted number. I tried to lookup some real estate home sale
information without success.

You may wish to write him a letter instead since you now have an address.
Another choice would be to call some of those other Hansen's. Hansen is a
popular name and that lowers the likelihood of a match, but you won't know until
you try. Allen should be somewhere around 50 years old and some of his children
would be grown & married. Some of those other Hansen's may be his children.

Here is some information about where they live(d) and will tell a bit about
them.

Zephyrhills, FL - Demographics

Zip Code: 33540 - 33544
County: Pasco
Sales Tax: 7.50%
Cost of Living: 62%
Property Crime index: 4
Population: 9,765
Population Density: 1,106
Median Age: 50.5
Median Income: $26,309
Unemployment Rate: 4.44%
Total Households: 4,583
Homes owned: 72.45%
Home Median Value: $80,594
Avg. Temp. January: 62°
Avg. Temp. July: 82°

It is not a very rich area. The incomes and housing prices seem to be on the low
side.

Mvh
Bob

Herman Viaene

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Herman Viaene » 19 okt 2004 10:14:17

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:18:07 -0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote:

most -sen names are danish


Or Norwegian, of course.

Or Dutch (both Netherlands and Belgium) or German as well


Heman Viaene

Hugh Watkins

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 19 okt 2004 11:11:30

"Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote in message
news:4174ccb1$0$660$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:18:07 -0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com
wrote:

most -sen names are danish


Or Norwegian, of course.

Or Dutch (both Netherlands and Belgium) or German as well

I do not know the Dutch patrynomic name structure
and cannot find a FAQ

In the period these names arose you will find Noway was administered by
Denamrk and Danish was the languag of administration

Denmark used to extend to the banks of the Elbe and the walls of Hamburg and
then you find pockets of migrants all the way around the north sea - which
was more like a freeway than a barrier - until the age of the steam train
made land transport quicker than sailing ships and canal barges.

The prehistoric traders usd to sail from what became Palestine to Cornwall
for tin and to Ireland came the Coptic missionaries from the north coast of
Africa - byt this is archeology not genealogy.

1000 Danish surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/1000surnames.html

The top one thousand surnames in Denmark on January 1 2004
- with thanks to Dorthe Larsen at Danmarks Statistik http://www.dst.dk/


Danish personal names and naming FAQ
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/names.html


see Norwegian names links
Virtual Reference Library http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/library/index.html



an example from google


JACOBS
Patronymic: from Jacob, English and Jewish, and Portuguese surname from the
Latin Jacobus (Hebrew-Yaakov)
Jacob James and Jack are examples.

Jakob; German.
Kobus; Flemish.
Koba, Kopak Kob are Czech.
Jacobsen, Jakobsen are Danish-Norwegian.
Copo,Coppo, Giacoppo are Italian.
There are many European variations of this name.

*Jacobzen ?

Jacobsson

but a Dutch FAQ in Flemish - I can read it because it is very like danish
with spelling mistakes :-)

URL please

LOL

Hugh W

Herman Viaene

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Herman Viaene » 19 okt 2004 13:52:02

Hugh Watkins wrote:
"Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote in message
news:4174ccb1$0$660$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:18:07 -0000, Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com
wrote:


most -sen names are danish


Or Norwegian, of course.


Or Dutch (both Netherlands and Belgium) or German as well


I do not know the Dutch patrynomic name structure
and cannot find a FAQ

In the period these names arose you will find Noway was administered by
Denamrk and Danish was the languag of administration

Denmark used to extend to the banks of the Elbe and the walls of Hamburg and
then you find pockets of migrants all the way around the north sea - which
was more like a freeway than a barrier - until the age of the steam train
made land transport quicker than sailing ships and canal barges.

The prehistoric traders usd to sail from what became Palestine to Cornwall
for tin and to Ireland came the Coptic missionaries from the north coast of
Africa - byt this is archeology not genealogy.

1000 Danish surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/1000surnames.html

The top one thousand surnames in Denmark on January 1 2004
- with thanks to Dorthe Larsen at Danmarks Statistik http://www.dst.dk/


Danish personal names and naming FAQ
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/names.html


see Norwegian names links
Virtual Reference Library http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/library/index.html



an example from google


JACOBS
Patronymic: from Jacob, English and Jewish, and Portuguese surname from the
Latin Jacobus (Hebrew-Yaakov)
Jacob James and Jack are examples.

Jakob; German.
Kobus; Flemish.
Koba, Kopak Kob are Czech.
Jacobsen, Jakobsen are Danish-Norwegian.
Copo,Coppo, Giacoppo are Italian.
There are many European variations of this name.

*Jacobzen ?

Jacobsson

but a Dutch FAQ in Flemish - I can read it because it is very like danish
with spelling mistakes :-)

URL please

LOL

Hugh W


There is a genealogy site in Belgium in Dutch :

http://users.skynet.be/sky60754/genealbe/index.htm

I'm not sure how much you can understand, but there is a link there for
the university of Leuven :
http://fuzzy.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/ling/ozst/nkd/nkd.htm
and that has a link to an international institution
http://www.icosweb.net/

Anyway, in the particular case the "sen" suffix has the meaning "son of"
as , I guess, the same in German, Danish etc.
The "sen" suffix occurs in the Dutch language regions, but "sens" is
maybe more found.
The most frequently occurring name formed like that is in Belgium "son
of Jan" which can be spelled Jansen, Jansens, or even Janssens,where
some claim the additional "s" after "Jan" is already a reference to "son
of", so "Janssens" would mean "son of son of Jan"
A more "down to earth explanation could be just a spelling mistake which
stuck on.

Herman Viaene

Hugh Watkins

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 19 okt 2004 17:26:07

"Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote
There is a genealogy site in Belgium in Dutch :
http://users.skynet.be/sky60754/genealbe/index.htm

I'm not sure how much you can understand, but there is a link there for
the university of Leuven :
http://fuzzy.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/ling/ozst/nkd/nkd.htm
and that has a link to an international institution
http://www.icosweb.net/

Anyway, in the particular case the "sen" suffix has the meaning "son of"
as , I guess, the same in German, Danish etc.
The "sen" suffix occurs in the Dutch language regions, but "sens" is maybe
more found.
The most frequently occurring name formed like that is in Belgium "son of
Jan" which can be spelled Jansen, Jansens, or even Janssens,where some
claim the additional "s" after "Jan" is already a reference to "son of",
so "Janssens" would mean "son of son of Jan"
A more "down to earth explanation could be just a spelling mistake which
stuck on.


thanks
when you read a technical text the latin origin of many words spreads
across other languages

Klik hier voor Laatste Nieuws

Click here for latest news
well hardly latin but "low germanic"

Overzicht van de site : Genealogie in België

Over-see of the site : Genalogy in Belgium

see = view from Norman french rather than saxon
etc

Hugh w

Herman van der Woude

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Herman van der Woude » 19 okt 2004 18:18:59

In news:2tkq0gF1q1tcuU1@uni-berlin.de, schreef
Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com>:
| "Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote
|||
|| There is a genealogy site in Belgium in Dutch :
|| http://users.skynet.be/sky60754/genealbe/index.htm
||
|| I'm not sure how much you can understand, but there is a link there
|| for the university of Leuven :
|| http://fuzzy.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/ling/ozst/nkd/nkd.htm
|| and that has a link to an international institution
|| http://www.icosweb.net/
||
|| Anyway, in the particular case the "sen" suffix has the meaning "son
|| of" as , I guess, the same in German, Danish etc.
|| The "sen" suffix occurs in the Dutch language regions, but "sens" is
|| maybe more found.
|| The most frequently occurring name formed like that is in Belgium
|| "son of Jan" which can be spelled Jansen, Jansens, or even
|| Janssens,where some claim the additional "s" after "Jan" is already
|| a reference to "son of", so "Janssens" would mean "son of son of Jan"
|| A more "down to earth explanation could be just a spelling mistake
|| which stuck on.
|
|
| thanks
| when you read a technical text the latin origin of many words spreads
| across other languages
|
| Klik hier voor Laatste Nieuws
|
| Click here for latest news
| well hardly latin but "low germanic"

"Low germanic"? O no, Sir, it is called Dutch, and Dutch is no 'low
germanic' but e real genuine language like Danish, Norwegian, German,
French and English!

|
| Overzicht van de site : Genealogie in België
|
| Over-see of the site : Genalogy in Belgium
|
| see = view from Norman french rather than saxon
| etc

To me it seems as you tend to see Dutch as a sort of 'patois' of
something. I will tell you something. I don't kow how they could
research it, but Dutch is an older language than German, most certainly
older than English.

For those about 40 million Dutch speaking people on this world you have
some sort of insulting behaviour.

And I am still wondering what all this has got to do with genealogy?

--
Herman van der Woude
hvdwoude @ zonnet.nl
(spaties toegevoegd om SPAM te vermijden / spaces added to avoid SPAM)

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 19 okt 2004 18:38:02

Herman van der Woude wrote:

In news:2tkq0gF1q1tcuU1@uni-berlin.de, schreef
Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com>:
| "Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote
|||
|| There is a genealogy site in Belgium in Dutch :
|| http://users.skynet.be/sky60754/genealbe/index.htm
||
|| I'm not sure how much you can understand, but there is a link there
|| for the university of Leuven :
|| http://fuzzy.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/ling/ozst/nkd/nkd.htm
|| and that has a link to an international institution
|| http://www.icosweb.net/
||
|| Anyway, in the particular case the "sen" suffix has the meaning "son
|| of" as , I guess, the same in German, Danish etc.
|| The "sen" suffix occurs in the Dutch language regions, but "sens" is
|| maybe more found.
|| The most frequently occurring name formed like that is in Belgium
|| "son of Jan" which can be spelled Jansen, Jansens, or even
|| Janssens,where some claim the additional "s" after "Jan" is already
|| a reference to "son of", so "Janssens" would mean "son of son of Jan"
|| A more "down to earth explanation could be just a spelling mistake
|| which stuck on.
|
|
| thanks
| when you read a technical text the latin origin of many words spreads
| across other languages
|
| Klik hier voor Laatste Nieuws
|
| Click here for latest news
| well hardly latin but "low germanic"

"Low germanic"? O no, Sir, it is called Dutch, and Dutch is no 'low
germanic' but e real genuine language like Danish, Norwegian, German,
French and English!

Of course it's Dutch! but he was speaking of it in terms of the study of
language origins where Dutch is on the same branch of the Indo-European
language tree as the others there, with the exception of French.

|
| Overzicht van de site : Genealogie in België
|
| Over-see of the site : Genalogy in Belgium
|
| see = view from Norman french rather than saxon
| etc

To me it seems as you tend to see Dutch as a sort of 'patois' of
something. I will tell you something.

His comments imply nothing of the sort!

I don't kow how they could
research it, but Dutch is an older language than German, most certainly
older than English.

For those about 40 million Dutch speaking people on this world you have
some sort of insulting behaviour.

No. Not at all! Do some study on the origins of our various languages and
you will understand why your statements are very misguided.

And I am still wondering what all this has got to do with genealogy?

You posted to it didn't you? :-) But language plays a role in
understanding the origins of our surnames and given names. That's just one
connection to genealogy.

What I do wonder is what does this all have to do with the subject header
and the OP's questions? (Yes Yes, I know! I just posted too).

Bob

Hugh Watkins

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 19 okt 2004 20:24:19

"Robert Heiling" <robheil@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:41754316.AAEE91EF@comcast.net...
Herman van der Woude wrote:

In news:2tkq0gF1q1tcuU1@uni-berlin.de, schreef
Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@msn.com>:
| "Herman Viaene" <herman@thuis.be> wrote
|||
|| There is a genealogy site in Belgium in Dutch :
|| http://users.skynet.be/sky60754/genealbe/index.htm
||
|| I'm not sure how much you can understand, but there is a link there
|| for the university of Leuven :
|| http://fuzzy.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/ling/ozst/nkd/nkd.htm
|| and that has a link to an international institution
|| http://www.icosweb.net/
||
|| Anyway, in the particular case the "sen" suffix has the meaning "son
|| of" as , I guess, the same in German, Danish etc.
|| The "sen" suffix occurs in the Dutch language regions, but "sens" is
|| maybe more found.
|| The most frequently occurring name formed like that is in Belgium
|| "son of Jan" which can be spelled Jansen, Jansens, or even
|| Janssens,where some claim the additional "s" after "Jan" is already
|| a reference to "son of", so "Janssens" would mean "son of son of Jan"
|| A more "down to earth explanation could be just a spelling mistake
|| which stuck on.
|
|
| thanks
| when you read a technical text the latin origin of many words spreads
| across other languages
|
| Klik hier voor Laatste Nieuws
|
| Click here for latest news
| well hardly latin but "low germanic"

"Low germanic"? O no, Sir, it is called Dutch, and Dutch is no 'low
germanic' but e real genuine language like Danish, Norwegian, German,
French and English!

Of course it's Dutch! but he was speaking of it in terms of the study of
language origins where Dutch is on the same branch of the Indo-European
language tree as the others there, with the exception of French.

|
| Overzicht van de site : Genealogie in België
|
| Over-see of the site : Genalogy in Belgium
|
| see = view from Norman french rather than saxon
| etc

To me it seems as you tend to see Dutch as a sort of 'patois' of
something. I will tell you something.

His comments imply nothing of the sort!

I don't kow how they could
research it, but Dutch is an older language than German, most certainly
older than English.

For those about 40 million Dutch speaking people on this world you have
some sort of insulting behaviour.

No. Not at all! Do some study on the origins of our various languages and
you will understand why your statements are very misguided.

And I am still wondering what all this has got to do with genealogy?

You posted to it didn't you? :-) But language plays a role in
understanding the origins of our surnames and given names. That's just one
connection to genealogy.

What I do wonder is what does this all have to do with the subject header
and the OP's questions? (Yes Yes, I know! I just posted too).


the guy was looking for a HANSEN
I did not see he was a dane

hence my comments
go to http://www.ethnologue.com/

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=DUT
Classification Indo-European, Germanic, West, Low Saxon-Low
Franconian, Low Franconian.


see http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=748

"low german" is listed as Low Saxon-Low Franconian

I understand several languages on this tree
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=738
and ancestors moved across political boundaries like USAians move from
state to state

genealogy is international in scope especially in USA
and the origins of surnames gives a clue where to look for your ancestors

Hugh W

Robert Heiling

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 23 okt 2004 23:49:02

The following post is from Susan, niederlandisch@monmouth.com
------------------------

Hello-

I used to be able to post to the groups by way of Free Agent. Now my posts go
out, but never appear. I have contacted my server and am waiting their reply.

In the meantime I have some information for "Carsten
Grøndal"<carsten-g(FJERNMIG)@privat.dk> who posted under the subject 'Help to
find relatives in USA'. I have emailed him. The email goes out and does not
return, neither do I hear from Carsten. I remove the JERNMIG. I have gone to
http://www.privat.dk and it exists I think maybe he deletes my email before reading
thinking I am spam.

I am wondering if you could post in alt.genealogy and ask him to contact me via
email.
Sorry to take this out on you. I see you post there quite a bit.

Thanks for any help.

The Cranky Genee
(Susan)

Charani

Re: Help to find relatives in USA

Legg inn av Charani » 24 okt 2004 10:40:56

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:00:39 -0400, singhals wrote:


Many people who are elderly and in care facilities (nursing home,
assisted living, etc) do not have phones listed to their own names.

Try an ad in a local newspaper.

My father was born in 1928 and I don't regard myself as being elderly

or in need of care facilities!! In fact I'm not even old enough to
claim a state pension!! <BG>

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