General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

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Michael

General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

Legg inn av Michael » 14 okt 2004 02:55:26

Ok, I downloaded a copy of the 2000 Census form, and it raised a few
thoughts of how the census has changed. There was no place in the form
to put down occupation, which I recall seeing in almost all the images
of past census. Also, there was no question about where my father and
mother were born, which I do recall in a few of the past census forms.
Not to mention the almost 20 different choices for race. Are the
additions/changes considered necessary? Were some/most/all concessions
for PC reasons? Are there things you think should have been included
but weren't? Or should be left out (why do they need to know if I own
or rent?) I remember seeing the older census that just listed HoH by
name, and how many people of various age, and state of being (slave or
free), so I am glad they asked for everyone's name<g>
While on the subject, I also recall some scuttlebutt about
lying, ignoring, or otherwise hampering the census effort. Does anyone
else recall that, or am I drifting into lunacy again?<g> I imagine the
census was treated with more seriousness and "reference"<?> in the
past, when the duty of the Federal Government was appreciated. Did
anyone volunteer as a census taker in 2000? If so, did you encounter
any difficulty? Are there any plans for anyone to volunteer in 2010? I
didn't volunteer (wasn't into genealogy research like I am today), and
I'd like to give it a shot, and I'm seriously thinking about doing it.
How about you guys & girls? Thanks again for paying attention!
Michael

Andrew W Applegarth

Re: General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

Legg inn av Andrew W Applegarth » 14 okt 2004 03:27:55

Michael <mhardyNOSPAM@NOSPAMgt.rr.com.com> wrote in
news:64irm0ple3hii7or218287e4kcboctviav@4ax.com:

Ok, I downloaded a copy of the 2000 Census form, and it raised a few
thoughts of how the census has changed. There was no place in the form
to put down occupation, which I recall seeing in almost all the images
of past census. Also, there was no question about where my father and
mother were born, which I do recall in a few of the past census forms.
Not to mention the almost 20 different choices for race. Are the
additions/changes considered necessary? Were some/most/all concessions
for PC reasons? Are there things you think should have been included
but weren't? Or should be left out (why do they need to know if I own
or rent?) I remember seeing the older census that just listed HoH by
name, and how many people of various age, and state of being (slave or
free), so I am glad they asked for everyone's name<g
While on the subject, I also recall some scuttlebutt about
lying, ignoring, or otherwise hampering the census effort. Does anyone
else recall that, or am I drifting into lunacy again?<g> I imagine the
census was treated with more seriousness and "reference"<?> in the
past, when the duty of the Federal Government was appreciated. Did
anyone volunteer as a census taker in 2000? If so, did you encounter
any difficulty? Are there any plans for anyone to volunteer in 2010? I
didn't volunteer (wasn't into genealogy research like I am today), and
I'd like to give it a shot, and I'm seriously thinking about doing it.
How about you guys & girls? Thanks again for paying attention!
Michael


As I recall, there were two different forms for the 2000 census. Most
people got the 'short form', but one out of every ## households got the
'long form' which asked a lot more questions.

I didn't volunteer for the census, but my parents both worked for the
census covering a lot of rural area, distributing forms and then
following up with those who didn't return them in a timely manner. They
ran into a lot of resistance (especially with the long form) from some
individuals, but (older) rural residents are often distrusting of the
government sticking their nose into their private business. Some took
multiple visits and the threat that their supervisor would pay a visit
with law enforcement to ensure completion of the form.

I have a feeling there are going to be a bunch of upset genealogists
in 68 years. With an older census, you wish they would have collected
more information, but at least they were consistent. With the 2000
census, some people will 'hit the jackpot' with a long form full of
information that other researchers won't have from the short forms.

- Andrew W Applegarth

Hugh Watkins

Re: General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 14 okt 2004 09:38:27

"Andrew W Applegarth" <applegaa@NOTSOhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Michael <mhardyNOSPAM@NOSPAMgt.rr.com.com> wrote in
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Ok, I downloaded a copy of the 2000 Census form, and it raised a few
thoughts of how the census has changed.
snip


As I recall, there were two different forms for the 2000 census. Most
people got the 'short form', but one out of every ## households got the
'long form' which asked a lot more questions.

snip

In a well organised society like Denmark
there are no census anymore only statistics http://www.dst.dk/HomeUK.aspx

evryone has a CPR number Central Personal Register
issued at birth byt the kirkekontoe (churhc office of civil regostration)
or when they migrate into the country and are registered on a mainframe

the primary use of this is for national medical insurance and we all get
issued with a card with our name and addrss and our doctor's and social
centre's details

All the data is kept on a main frame

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl ... +site%3Adk

When you move house you must register in the locla folkeregister
this is about voting rights and taxation
and schooling and medical servise - all paid out of taxation
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl ... er+english

Church books or parish registers are no longer written by hand
but part of the database

this facilitates medical research too :-

Fertility and marital radius: a register-based study in Denmark. File
Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... 2 Material and methods 2.1 The population cohort The study is
based on the Danish Central Personal Register (CPR), which is a population
register with almost ...
http://www.jbs.agrsci.dk/Biometry/ Reports/reports/2003.01.t.pdf -


and strong privacy laws restricts private databases
one of the critics http://www.faklen.dk/en/the_torch/merklin.shtml

http://www.fm.dk/1024/visPublikation.asp?artikelID=5550
statistical modelling by the government

The formation of a new model population typically commences 2-3 months
after the turn of the year, when Statistics Denmark has made the relevant
population statistics register available.
in effect an annual census


remeber census are created for government use for statistics

Hugh W

singhals

Re: General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

Legg inn av singhals » 14 okt 2004 22:54:28

Andrew W Applegarth wrote:

more information, but at least they were consistent. With the 2000
census, some people will 'hit the jackpot' with a long form full of
information that other researchers won't have from the short forms.

Census says that the two separate forms have been standard for many
years. I know there were two in 1980, when I DID enumerate.

Cheryl

Andrew W Applegarth

Re: General Discussion.... AGAIN The 2000 Census

Legg inn av Andrew W Applegarth » 16 okt 2004 04:06:48

singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in news:IeSdnVNTO4EYevPcRVn-jg@rcn.net:

Andrew W Applegarth wrote:

more information, but at least they were consistent. With the 2000
census, some people will 'hit the jackpot' with a long form full of
information that other researchers won't have from the short forms.

Census says that the two separate forms have been standard for many
years. I know there were two in 1980, when I DID enumerate.

Cheryl



The 2000 census was my first as head of a household, so it was the first
time I paid any attention to it. I didn't get into genealogy until 2001,
shortly after my last grandparent passed away and while we were expecting
our first child.

- Andrew W Applegarth

(And yes, I cut my teeth with the long form...)

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