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Robert Jeffery

1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Robert Jeffery » 12 okt 2004 09:32:55

Hello fellow researchers

I cannot afford the subscription to Ancestry.com, but need someone with
access to the UK 1871 census to do a look up for a relative of mine.
She is my great great grandmother, Mary Ann WHITMORE born 1855 Dec quarter.
Mary was born in Netherton, (Dudley), Worcester.

I hope this is not too much of an imposition. This information will help me
and my father-in-law to advance our tree.

Thank you

Rob

MikeS

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av MikeS » 12 okt 2004 16:01:15

"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
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Hello fellow researchers

I cannot afford the subscription to Ancestry.com, but need someone with
access to the UK 1871 census to do a look up for a relative of mine.
She is my great great grandmother, Mary Ann WHITMORE born 1855 Dec
quarter.
Mary was born in Netherton, (Dudley), Worcester.

There is no Mary Ann, Mary A., or Mary Whitmore born in Netherton listed.
The only Mary who comes close, age 16, shows an unstated birth place and she
is residing in the District Northamton Union Workhouse, St. Giles,
Northamtonshire with either a relative or her mother named Emma Whitmore.

Mike

Robert Jeffery

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Robert Jeffery » 12 okt 2004 16:16:37

Thanks for the info, Mike

Best regards

Rob
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"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
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Hello fellow researchers

I cannot afford the subscription to Ancestry.com, but need someone with
access to the UK 1871 census to do a look up for a relative of mine.
She is my great great grandmother, Mary Ann WHITMORE born 1855 Dec
quarter.
Mary was born in Netherton, (Dudley), Worcester.

There is no Mary Ann, Mary A., or Mary Whitmore born in Netherton listed.
The only Mary who comes close, age 16, shows an unstated birth place and
she
is residing in the District Northamton Union Workhouse, St. Giles,
Northamtonshire with either a relative or her mother named Emma Whitmore.

Mike


Hugh Watkins

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 12 okt 2004 17:26:29

"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
news:416b8832$0$47993$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
Hello fellow researchers

I cannot afford the subscription to Ancestry.com,

better subscribe to ancestry.co.uk alone then like me - I pay annually and
was a early adopter
still waiting for Monmouthshire 1871

or find a library which has ancestry plus or its successor

or any Family History Library (ie FH Center) in the world has a free
subscription as long as they have internet access (email me if you need help
setting it up)

but need someone with
access to the UK 1871 census to do a look up for a relative of mine.
She is my great great grandmother, Mary Ann WHITMORE born 1855 Dec
quarter.
Mary was born in Netherton, (Dudley), Worcester.

I hope this is not too much of an imposition. This information will help
me
and my father-in-law to advance our tree

Dudley is in Staffordshire which is not yet on line for 1871

..http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... ton+dudley

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/wor.htm


Pershore
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Eckington; Pershore; Upton Snodsbury.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6c (1852-1930).
Abberton, Besford, Birlingham, Bishampton, Bredicot, Bricklehampton,
Broughton Hackett, Charlton, Churchill, Cropthorne, Defford, Dormston,
Eckington, Elmley Castle, Fladbury, Flyford Flavell, Grafton Flyford, Great
Comberton, Hill and Moor, Kington, Little Comberton, Naunton Beauchamp,
Netherton,
North Piddle, Norton by Kempsey, Peopleton, Pershore, Pinvin, Pirton,
Spetchley, Stoulton, Strensham, Throckmorton, Upton Snodsbury, White Ladies
Aston, Whittington, Wick, Wyre Piddle.
Registers now in Pershore district.


1871 England Census
Viewing records 1-20 of 127 matches for:
Whitmore soundex in Worcestershire

none mention Netherton,

so you have to wait for Staffordshire 1871 to come on line
and I look forward to Stoje on Trent too

enjoy

Hugh W


================= searches ==============

Census Records matches for Whitmore with Netherton = Subscription Required
(Sign Up!)
9 total matches found in All Records > Census Records

Results per page 10 20 50
Viewing 1-2 of 2

Titlematches | info

1891 England Census 6
1901 England Census 3

1891 England Census
Viewing records 1-6 of 6 matches for:
Whitmore with Netherton
What can I do with the 1891 England Census?
Find information about your ancestors' employment, birthplace, age, and
even the street address of their home. More information below

« Global Search Results

NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-houseCivil parishCountyView
Image

Whitmore, Joseph40Netherton, WorcestershireHead West Bromwich Staffordshire
Whitmore, Polly C22Netherton, WorcestershireServant Rowley Regis
Staffordshire
Whitmore, Silvia57Netherton, StaffordshireHead Tipton Staffordshire
Whitmore, Thomas38Netherton, WorcestershireHead Birmingham Warwickshire
Whitmore, William60Netherton, WorcestershireHead Crayford Kent
Whitmore, William36Netherton, WorcestershireHead Aston Warwickshire



1901 England Census
Viewing records 1-3 of 3 matches for:
Whitmore with Netherton

« Global Search Results

NameAge in 1901BirthplaceRelationshipCivil ParishCounty/IslandView Image

Sylvia Whitmore65 Netherton, Worcestershire, EnglandHead Tipton
Staffordshire
Thomas Whitmore48 Netherton, Worcestershire, EnglandHead Wednesbury
Staffordshire
William Whitmore71 Netherton, Staffordshire, England
Head Crayford Kent

Do ask if you need more about a cuople of them

Robert Jeffery

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Robert Jeffery » 12 okt 2004 20:04:40

Thank you Hugh, we believe Mary came from Netherton, Worcester, my
father-in-law guessed Netherton, Dudley, but they are obviously two
different places/counties. I think we will have to do some more digging.

Best regards

Rob
"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
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Hello fellow researchers

I cannot afford the subscription to Ancestry.com,

better subscribe to ancestry.co.uk alone then like me - I pay annually and
was a early adopter
still waiting for Monmouthshire 1871

or find a library which has ancestry plus or its successor

or any Family History Library (ie FH Center) in the world has a free
subscription as long as they have internet access (email me if you need
help
setting it up)

but need someone with
access to the UK 1871 census to do a look up for a relative of mine.
She is my great great grandmother, Mary Ann WHITMORE born 1855 Dec
quarter.
Mary was born in Netherton, (Dudley), Worcester.

I hope this is not too much of an imposition. This information will help
me
and my father-in-law to advance our tree

Dudley is in Staffordshire which is not yet on line for 1871


..http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... ton+dudley

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/wor.htm


Pershore
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Eckington; Pershore; Upton Snodsbury.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6c (1852-1930).
Abberton, Besford, Birlingham, Bishampton, Bredicot, Bricklehampton,
Broughton Hackett, Charlton, Churchill, Cropthorne, Defford, Dormston,
Eckington, Elmley Castle, Fladbury, Flyford Flavell, Grafton Flyford,
Great
Comberton, Hill and Moor, Kington, Little Comberton, Naunton Beauchamp,
Netherton,
North Piddle, Norton by Kempsey, Peopleton, Pershore, Pinvin, Pirton,
Spetchley, Stoulton, Strensham, Throckmorton, Upton Snodsbury, White
Ladies
Aston, Whittington, Wick, Wyre Piddle.
Registers now in Pershore district.


1871 England Census
Viewing records 1-20 of 127 matches for:
Whitmore soundex in Worcestershire

none mention Netherton,

so you have to wait for Staffordshire 1871 to come on line
and I look forward to Stoje on Trent too

enjoy

Hugh W


================= searches ==============

Census Records matches for Whitmore with Netherton = Subscription Required
(Sign Up!)
9 total matches found in All Records > Census Records

Results per page 10 20 50
Viewing 1-2 of 2

Titlematches | info

1891 England Census 6
1901 England Census 3

1891 England Census
Viewing records 1-6 of 6 matches for:
Whitmore with Netherton
What can I do with the 1891 England Census?
Find information about your ancestors' employment, birthplace, age, and
even the street address of their home. More information below

« Global Search Results

NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-houseCivil
parishCountyView
Image

Whitmore, Joseph40Netherton, WorcestershireHead West Bromwich
Staffordshire
Whitmore, Polly C22Netherton, WorcestershireServant Rowley Regis
Staffordshire
Whitmore, Silvia57Netherton, StaffordshireHead Tipton Staffordshire
Whitmore, Thomas38Netherton, WorcestershireHead Birmingham Warwickshire
Whitmore, William60Netherton, WorcestershireHead Crayford Kent
Whitmore, William36Netherton, WorcestershireHead Aston Warwickshire



1901 England Census
Viewing records 1-3 of 3 matches for:
Whitmore with Netherton

« Global Search Results

NameAge in 1901BirthplaceRelationshipCivil ParishCounty/IslandView Image

Sylvia Whitmore65 Netherton, Worcestershire, EnglandHead Tipton
Staffordshire
Thomas Whitmore48 Netherton, Worcestershire, EnglandHead Wednesbury
Staffordshire
William Whitmore71 Netherton, Staffordshire, England
Head Crayford Kent

Do ask if you need more about a cuople of them


Hugh Watkins

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13 okt 2004 03:55:44

"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
news:416c1c43$0$59481$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
Thank you Hugh, we believe Mary came from Netherton, Worcester, my
father-in-law guessed Netherton, Dudley, but they are obviously two
different places/counties. I think we will have to do some more digging.

no county boundaries get moved
especially as Birmingham expanded and new parishes were created and churches
built

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/


Netherton, West Midlands [Town] just south of Dudley

Use http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dl ... 07&A=Y&Z=5
to link to this map.
Location is at 394097E 288207N (N52:29:30 W2:05:18) Click here to
convert/measure coordinates


Netherton, Worcestershire [Town] near Evesham

Use http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dl ... 10&A=Y&Z=5
to link to this map.
Location is at 399736E 241710N (N52:04:26 W2:00:19) Click here to
convert/measure coordinates

http://multimap.com/

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

enjoy

Hugh W

Robert Jeffery

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Robert Jeffery » 13 okt 2004 09:23:11

Thanks once again, Hugh, for invaluable information.

Best wishes

Rob
"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
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Thank you Hugh, we believe Mary came from Netherton, Worcester, my
father-in-law guessed Netherton, Dudley, but they are obviously two
different places/counties. I think we will have to do some more digging.

no county boundaries get moved
especially as Birmingham expanded and new parishes were created and
churches
built

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/


Netherton, West Midlands [Town] just south of Dudley

Use http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dl ... 07&A=Y&Z=5
to link to this map.
Location is at 394097E 288207N (N52:29:30 W2:05:18) Click here to
convert/measure coordinates


Netherton, Worcestershire [Town] near Evesham

Use http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dl ... 10&A=Y&Z=5
to link to this map.
Location is at 399736E 241710N (N52:04:26 W2:00:19) Click here to
convert/measure coordinates

http://multimap.com/

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

enjoy

Hugh W


Steven Gibbs

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Steven Gibbs » 13 okt 2004 11:53:02

"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
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Dudley is in Staffordshire which is not yet on line for 1871

Dudley was in Worcestershire before the 1974 county reorganisation.
Genuki lists it under Worcestershire, not Staffordshire, but there is no
history of the parish on the site. I'm not aware that it was ever in
Staffordshire.

As a detached part of Worcestershire, it would most likely have been
enumerated with Staffordshire in the censuses, an arrangement Ancestry
have problems with.

Regards
Steven Gibbs
Bedford, England

Robert Jeffery

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Robert Jeffery » 13 okt 2004 14:05:28

Thank you for claifying this point, Steven.

Best regards

Rob
"Steven Gibbs" <stevenng2@sgibbs1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
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Dudley is in Staffordshire which is not yet on line for 1871

Dudley was in Worcestershire before the 1974 county reorganisation.
Genuki lists it under Worcestershire, not Staffordshire, but there is no
history of the parish on the site. I'm not aware that it was ever in
Staffordshire.

As a detached part of Worcestershire, it would most likely have been
enumerated with Staffordshire in the censuses, an arrangement Ancestry
have problems with.

Regards
Steven Gibbs
Bedford, England


Hugh Watkins

Re: 1871 lookup please !

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13 okt 2004 16:48:43

"Robert Jeffery" <rob@bravehearts.plus.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for claifying this point, Steven.

Best regards

Rob
"Steven Gibbs" <stevenng2@sgibbs1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ckittt$4ks$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2t2bd6F1rfj9sU1@uni-berlin.de...

Dudley is in Staffordshire which is not yet on line for 1871

Dudley was in Worcestershire before the 1974 county reorganisation.
Genuki lists it under Worcestershire, not Staffordshire, but there is no
history of the parish on the site. I'm not aware that it was ever in
Staffordshire.

As a detached part of Worcestershire, it would most likely have been
enumerated with Staffordshire in the censuses, an arrangement Ancestry
have problems with.


in UK we prefer to use historical counties as per primary sources
but it looks as if Ancestry in Utah is trying to standardize the counties
for database purposes

Unfortunately there is no public declaration of this or what scheme they are
using

They work very closely with the Family History library
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

Place search results

Netherton
England, Lancashire, Netherton
Netherton (near Dudley)
England, Worcester, Netherton (near Dudley)
Netherton (near Elmley Castle)
England, Worcester, Netherton (near Elmley Castle)




so it would be logical if they followed that plan

Place search results
Dudley
England, Worcester, Dudley

Dudley Castle Hill
England, Worcester, Dudley Castle Hill

Dudley-Port
England, Stafford, Dudley-Port

Netherton (near Dudley)
England, Worcester, Netherton (near Dudley)

whilst for Germany and Denmark the library states which gazetteer they use

they list 7 for england
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/ ... e_name.asp

Hugh W

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