FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

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Randy_O

FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Randy_O » 09 okt 2004 22:23:12

I'm 81 yr. old, and I had a major heart attack less than 1.5 yr. ago. I've
worked on my genealogy for 16 years. Somehow in the last year, it really
got screwed up, but there is no way to pin point the 'Where' point. The
last good floppy has 3200 names versus 3700 names now. My oldest son
(disabled - can type) lives with me is a computer wiz, but he does not know
this program or any type of database. I have version 11 FTM. I'm sorry
this is long - - - it's hard to explain. Even though names were entered in
the appropriate spaces things are wrong in the Kinship Report now.



In the A.Olson FTW---for the kinship of Cassie Olson, Phineas Pratt (Cassie's
7th gr. Grandfather) is *not listed. His son Joseph (who is *NOT a
grandparent) is listed as 6th gr. grandfather as is Phineas' son Samuel
(who is a 6th gr. grandfather).



Edward 1 Higby, Cassie's 6th gr. grandfather is *not listed. His son Edward
2 Higby is listed as a 5th gr.grandfather which he should *not be. Edward I
Higby's other son John is a 5th gr. grandfather, and he was listed properly
because he is one.



Jacob 1 Warren is listed as a 5th gr. grandfather. Jacob's son, Jacob 2 is
also listed as a 5th gr. grandfather, but should he be listed as a 4th.
For all we know Jacob 1 might be a 6th instead of a 5th. I know there maybe
many more errors in kinship, but these stood out.



What's going on (this is his son typing this)? My poor dad is sad and
desperate. He eventually wants to make up books for our large family. I've
even looked over other genealogy programs on the web, but they all look
similar; most lack good reports for book making. Any clue to the problem? I've
checked for viruses. All 3 instances of mistakes were correct on the early
floppy bkup, but there are over 500 names and a MB of material added since
the good bkup. Family illness (my mother's lung cancer and other stuff)
helped dad forget backups since Aug. O3.



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Thanks-------- Randy - A.O's son

Lesley Robertson

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 10 okt 2004 10:20:08

"Randy_O" <eatcrowemguyspam@execpc.com> schreef in bericht
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Even though names were entered in the appropriate spaces things are wrong
in the Kinship Report now.

Is is only the Kinship report that's turning in wrong results? It sounds as

though an incorrect link has been inserted somewhere, and problem solving is
sometimes easier using other reports. I can only suggest what I would do:
First, copy that good backup to a second floppy and put it somewhere safe so
that you have 2 backups!
Selcect the oldest mutl-great granparent on one of the lines that has gone
wrong. Then on the [View] menu call up the [Outline Descendant Tree]. Then
select [Contents], [People to include] [Direct descendants] [change
secondary individual] and choose someone you know is on the line before it
goes wrong. Don't check the box for siblings. This will give you a simple
line which is easily checked, and you should be able to see your missing
link immediately.
Good luck,
Lesley Robertson

Randy_O

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Randy_O » 11 okt 2004 06:47:41

Thanks Lesley. FTM seems to be a buggy data base program. My father did
straighten some of his problems out, and some of the problems were not even
linkage problems; they just didn't make common sense. He just tried 'trial
and error' attempts at different things. Your methodology will be studied.
His genealogy in this country is huge so far; over 3 MB of US text. There
are no photos in this so far. Since 2 of his gr. gr. gr.----- grandfathers
were on the Mayflower (all this history is on his mom's side- where all the
documentation is) Degory Priest and Stephen Hopkins(Mayflower Society
certified). You can imagine all the early families marrying, and then
marrying again -- again- and again -----also father's son's having the same
name as there father ---repeated over and over.--- Really gets messy. It
really gets messy because there were no middle names with the early settlers
to separate the folks with the same names in the same families. I wonder if
that "The Master Genealogist 5.0 (TMG)" would be a better data base for
complex data? I wonder if TMG's reports are as good as FTM or better?

Sincerely -- Randy_O for A_O
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"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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"Randy_O" <eatcrowemguyspam@execpc.com> schreef in bericht
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Even though names were entered in the appropriate spaces things are wrong
in the Kinship Report now.

Is is only the Kinship report that's turning in wrong results? It sounds
as though an incorrect link has been inserted somewhere, and problem
solving is sometimes easier using other reports. I can only suggest what I
would do:
First, copy that good backup to a second floppy and put it somewhere safe
so that you have 2 backups!
Selcect the oldest mutl-great granparent on one of the lines that has gone
wrong. Then on the [View] menu call up the [Outline Descendant Tree]. Then
select [Contents], [People to include] [Direct descendants] [change
secondary individual] and choose someone you know is on the line before it
goes wrong. Don't check the box for siblings. This will give you a simple
line which is easily checked, and you should be able to see your missing
link immediately.
Good luck,
Lesley Robertson



Hugh Watkins

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 11 okt 2004 10:40:13

"Randy_O" <eatcrowemguyspam@execpc.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Lesley. FTM seems to be a buggy data base program. My father did
straighten some of his problems out, and some of the problems were not
even linkage problems; they just didn't make common sense. He just tried
'trial and error' attempts at different things. Your methodology will be
studied. His genealogy in this country is huge so far; over 3 MB of US
text. There are no photos in this so far. Since 2 of his gr. gr.
gr.----- grandfathers were on the Mayflower (all this history is on his
mom's side- where all the documentation is) Degory Priest and Stephen
Hopkins(Mayflower Society certified). You can imagine all the early
families marrying, and then marrying again -- again- and again -----also
father's son's having the same name as there father ---repeated over and
over.--- Really gets messy. It really gets messy because there were no
middle names with the early settlers to separate the folks with the same
names in the same families. I wonder if that "The Master Genealogist 5.0
(TMG)" would be a better data base for complex data? I wonder if TMG's
reports are as good as FTM or better?

Sincerely -- Randy_O for A_O

personally unless forsoem print out
copying published data seems a bit poinless

it would be more use to his unborn descendants if he wrote a memoire and a
personal family history

the Mayflower stuff is bound to conatina assumtions and errors made hundreds
of years ago
sets of copies of old photographs for his own grand children
with his personal comments

Then are ALL the old photos on the house annotated with names dates and
places
only he can do that and looking at ears and noses may help him sort the ones
he does not recollect

My own family history has links back a couple of hundred years but before
that I will leave to future generations as more data gets indexed original
research gets easier

itosunds as if his patrnalancestors need attention

Is the tree uploaded where we can all look at it?

mine is here
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... index.html
due to be deleted and update in a months time

Just used the web publish button in FTM 11 and filled in a form
my worst mistake e in using FTM was not learning about control + s to add
sources

Another way your father could have got his lines crossed would be importing
and merging a strangers gedcom

not recommended

Hugh W

Lesley Robertson

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 11 okt 2004 22:47:34

"Randy_O" <eatcrowemguyspam@execpc.com> schreef in bericht
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Thanks Lesley. FTM seems to be a buggy data base program.

I've bene using it foryears - only had one problem, a long time ago.

Your methodology will be studied.

It just simplifies the lines so that you can see potential prolems.

You can imagine all the early families marrying, and then marrying again --
again- and again -----also father's son's having the same name as there
father ---repeated over and over.--- Really gets messy. It really gets
messy because there were no middle names with the early settlers to
separate the folks with the same names in the same families.

Middle names don't always help - for example I have 7 x Andries Petrus
Cronje - 4 from the same generation! I've even got clumps of 3 or 4 with the
same 3 forenames'......

I wonder if
that "The Master Genealogist 5.0 (TMG)" would be a better data base for
complex data? I wonder if TMG's reports are as good as FTM or better?

I don't know - as I said, I've not had any real trouble with FTM. Also, to
get the data from 1 programme to another, you're going to need to make a
gedcom if you don't want to retype, and if you transfer a file with a fault
in it, you'll get another file with a fault in it. I think the best thing to
do is to make a set of single-line printouts and spend a quiet hour or two
combing through them.

If you just want another programme to check the file in, why don't you head
for he LDS site and download their free PAF? However, if your father is used
to FTM, this isn't the time to change programmes on him - they're all
different enough to be confusing.
Lesley robertson

Lesley Robertson

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 11 okt 2004 22:52:44

"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> schreef in bericht
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it would be more use to his unborn descendants if he wrote a memoire and a
personal family history

And even to his already-born ones! My Mum's been writing her own story for

the last few years, and it's fascinating both children and grandchildren.
Writing one story reminds her about a bit in another, and she's loving her
text editor because she can just go back and add material to older files.
Get him to start putting the storyof his life on paper, or tape, while you
sort his FTM file.
And Hugh's right about another point I snipped - there is nothig sadder than
the box of photos without lables that I inherited from the last member of my
Dad's generation....... get him to put names onto his family photos now!
Lesley Robertson

singhals

Re: FTM_faulty Kinship Report-Help before I die!

Legg inn av singhals » 11 okt 2004 23:25:16

Randy_O wrote:

Thanks Lesley. FTM seems to be a buggy data base program. My father did
straighten some of his problems out, and some of the problems were not even
linkage problems; they just didn't make common sense. He just tried 'trial

Prolly made it worse. :(

and error' attempts at different things. Your methodology will be studied.
His genealogy in this country is huge so far; over 3 MB of US text. There
are no photos in this so far. Since 2 of his gr. gr. gr.----- grandfathers
were on the Mayflower (all this history is on his mom's side- where all the
documentation is) Degory Priest and Stephen Hopkins(Mayflower Society
certified). You can imagine all the early families marrying, and then
marrying again -- again- and again -----also father's son's having the same
name as there father ---repeated over and over.--- Really gets messy. It

At one point I had 16 men of the same uncommon given + surname
combination in one 25-mile radius. It wasn't pretty and I'd still be
fiddling with it if I hadn't stumbled across the already-published
family genealogy. (g)

really gets messy because there were no middle names with the early settlers
to separate the folks with the same names in the same families. I wonder if

Well, actually most of 'em DID have middle names, they just weren't big
on writing them down. (g) Or in my family, we USE the middle name and
it's the first name that disappears.

that "The Master Genealogist 5.0 (TMG)" would be a better data base for
complex data? I wonder if TMG's reports are as good as FTM or better?


NO. For a simple mess-up like this one appears to be, TMG won't be any
better. If he's just copying data from published sources, no point
changing things on him. TMG is said to have a nearly-vertical learning
curve, and it doesn't sound like he's up for that. (g)

Try Lesley's method; if it works, great; if it doesn't, come on back and
we'll have another look-see.

Meanwhile, while you sort out his database, get him onto labelling those
old photos. Some ways are better than others over the long haul but for
now, ANY label beats no label...even if it's a note saying "not family."
My GM had a fistful of photos of people who thought she'd like to see
what the kid looked like now -- and I'm the only one who knows which of
these are family and which aren't.

Cheryl


Sincerely -- Randy_O for A_O
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"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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"Randy_O" <eatcrowemguyspam@execpc.com> schreef in bericht
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Even though names were entered in the appropriate spaces things are wrong
in the Kinship Report now.


Is is only the Kinship report that's turning in wrong results? It sounds
as though an incorrect link has been inserted somewhere, and problem
solving is sometimes easier using other reports. I can only suggest what I
would do:
First, copy that good backup to a second floppy and put it somewhere safe
so that you have 2 backups!
Selcect the oldest mutl-great granparent on one of the lines that has gone
wrong. Then on the [View] menu call up the [Outline Descendant Tree]. Then
select [Contents], [People to include] [Direct descendants] [change
secondary individual] and choose someone you know is on the line before it
goes wrong. Don't check the box for siblings. This will give you a simple
line which is easily checked, and you should be able to see your missing
link immediately.
Good luck,
Lesley Robertson






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