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Patscga

Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 07 okt 2004 15:59:10

I installed it and began having problems at Ancestry.com. They told me that
sometime this happens after a Service Pack 2 download. So I went to Remove
Programs and tried to uninstall it. When it was almost finished, it gave me an
error message and hung up, refusing to budge, so I quit it. My computer
crashed and I had to reformat the disk and start all over again.

Pat

Philip Mason

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Philip Mason » 07 okt 2004 16:29:01

Install this only if you want problems from the moment you switch your PC to
the moment you throw it out of your office window.

I have found it to affect many programmes which search vast sites to gather
information - Genealogy is one of the main providers of this service. It
will also effect many of the internet properties you may rely on to carry
out yout searches.

To remove it safely, go to Programmes>Accesories>System Tools>System Restore
and search for the date which you installed XP SP 2. This will return you PC
to the sane state it was in before you lost your mind and installed it.

Happy Hunting

Lesley Robertson

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 07 okt 2004 16:43:54

"Philip Mason" <pcm3@kent.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:ck3kje$h65$1@athena.ukc.ac.uk...
Install this only if you want problems from the moment you switch your PC
to
the moment you throw it out of your office window.

I've now installed it on 2 pcs and my laptop - not a shred of trouble....

Lesley Robertson

Tara

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Tara » 07 okt 2004 16:50:08

Same here, installed it on 3 computers and not one hiccup.

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"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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I've now installed it on 2 pcs and my laptop - not a shred of trouble....
Lesley Robertson


L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 07 okt 2004 17:09:38

Patscga wrote:
I installed it and began having problems at Ancestry.com. They told me that
sometime this happens after a Service Pack 2 download. So I went to Remove
Programs and tried to uninstall it. When it was almost finished, it gave me an
error message and hung up, refusing to budge, so I quit it. My computer
crashed and I had to reformat the disk and start all over again.

Pat

Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?

LC

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 07 okt 2004 22:15:37

To remove it safely, go to Programmes>Accesories>System Tools>System Restore
and search for the date which you installed XP SP 2. This will return you PC
to the sane state it was in before you lost your mind and installed it.

Not so. I restored to an earlier date but it apparently left remnants.
Beware.
Pat

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 07 okt 2004 22:17:10

Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?

Do I have a PC? Duh!
I use windows xp home edition.
Pat

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 07 okt 2004 22:33:32

On 07 Oct 2004 20:17:10 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:
Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?

Do I have a PC? Duh!

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...

Lesley Robertson

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 07 okt 2004 23:13:19

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:2slngsF1j3hs6U4@uni-berlin.de...
On 07 Oct 2004 20:17:10 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:
Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?

Do I have a PC? Duh!

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...

But why would she be worrying about installing sp2 if she didn't have a pc

running XP?
It was a very strange question.
Lesley Robertson

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 07 okt 2004 23:23:23

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:13:19 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:2slngsF1j3hs6U4@uni-berlin.de...

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...

But why would she be worrying about installing sp2 if she didn't have a pc
running XP?

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

It was a very strange question.

Well, as a techie, I can certainly appreciate wanting to be accurate about
what question is being asked. Nothing more annoying than spending time to
answer a question that isn't what the person really meant. Sure, it was
_probably_ obviously Windows XP service pack 2, but I can see wanting to
be sure first.

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 08 okt 2004 03:53:46

Patscga wrote:
Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?


Do I have a PC? Duh!
I use windows xp home edition.
Pat

There are two platforms: PC and Mac duh

LC

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 08 okt 2004 03:55:28

Lesley Robertson wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:2slngsF1j3hs6U4@uni-berlin.de...

On 07 Oct 2004 20:17:10 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:

Do you have a PC?
What operating system are you using? XP?

Do I have a PC? Duh!

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...


But why would she be worrying about installing sp2 if she didn't have a pc
running XP?
It was a very strange question.
Lesley Robertson




A person who has a Mac can have Virtual PC installed on it. I don't
like giving directions to someone before knowing what kind of
hardware/software they have.

Makes good sense to me.

Lani

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 08 okt 2004 03:56:09

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:13:19 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:2slngsF1j3hs6U4@uni-berlin.de...

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...


But why would she be worrying about installing sp2 if she didn't have a pc
running XP?


Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.


It was a very strange question.


Well, as a techie, I can certainly appreciate wanting to be accurate about
what question is being asked. Nothing more annoying than spending time to
answer a question that isn't what the person really meant. Sure, it was
_probably_ obviously Windows XP service pack 2, but I can see wanting to
be sure first.



Thank you.

Lani

Greg Surratt

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Greg Surratt » 08 okt 2004 12:15:06

On 7 Oct 2004 21:23:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:13:19 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> schreef in bericht
news:2slngsF1j3hs6U4@uni-berlin.de...

That's an odd response to someone trying to help you...

But why would she be worrying about installing sp2 if she didn't have a pc
running XP?

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

All of which usually require a PC . . .

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 08 okt 2004 16:51:31

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:15:06 GMT, Greg Surratt <glsurratt@verizon.net> wrote:
On 7 Oct 2004 21:23:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

All of which usually require a PC . . .

....and not all of which involve XP. Useful answers require questions
that have enough information in them to make them possible to answer.

Greg Surratt

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Greg Surratt » 08 okt 2004 18:04:38

On 8 Oct 2004 14:51:31 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:15:06 GMT, Greg Surratt <glsurratt@verizon.net> wrote:
On 7 Oct 2004 21:23:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

All of which usually require a PC . . .

...and not all of which involve XP. Useful answers require questions
that have enough information in them to make them possible to answer.

True. But the original "Duh" was in response to "Do you have a PC?"
as opposed to "Have you installed service pack 2 on your PDP-11?" ;-)

Does Apple use Service Packs for their OS? UNIX? LINUX?

FWIW, I agree, there wasn't enough info to start trying to answer the
OP's questions though.

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 08 okt 2004 18:11:44

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:04:38 GMT, Greg Surratt <glsurratt@verizon.net> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2004 14:51:31 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:

...and not all of which involve XP. Useful answers require questions
that have enough information in them to make them possible to answer.

True. But the original "Duh" was in response to "Do you have a PC?"
as opposed to "Have you installed service pack 2 on your PDP-11?" ;-)

I'm running XP at home sometimes, but I don't run it on a PC, it runs
in a virtual machine on a Mac.

Does Apple use Service Packs for their OS? UNIX? LINUX?

I'm pretty sure it's called "patches" or "updates" on all of those.
I don't know, I just fetch 'em and install 'em when I need to.

FWIW, I agree, there wasn't enough info to start trying to answer the
OP's questions though.

Yup. Clarifying questions met with hostility are a good way to not get
help.

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 08 okt 2004 18:39:02

There are two platforms: PC and Mac duh

LC


Thank you for telling me. I wasn't aware of that. I always thought Mac was a
personal computer, too.
Pat

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 09 okt 2004 02:55:41

Patscga wrote:
There are two platforms: PC and Mac duh

LC



Thank you for telling me. I wasn't aware of that. I always thought Mac was a
personal computer, too.
Pat

You are welcome. No problem. ;-)

Hope you got your problem resolved.

Today, for some strange reason, my default browser, Netscape 7.1
appeared to be corrupted, because I could not open the desktop icon. It
worked last night. This morning there was a "serious error" message
when I powered up.

I tried system restore. No luck. Then I decided to uninstall Service
Pack 2. It took a while to completely finish. I just had to be
patient. You may have stopped the process too soon. Not sure. SP2
directions said to run anti-virus scan after it was uninstalled.

I did so.

Then I decided to download Netscape 7.2 without uninstalling 7.1. It
worked! I lost nothing. I just don't want to delete my icon or
uninstall 7.1 because in Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs it shows no
program size for 7.2, just 7.1.

I know this is off topic but computer problems can be so darned frustrating!

LC

MisNomer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av MisNomer » 10 okt 2004 16:50:16

My sympathy on your computer problem.

There is a new feature in SP2 for XP that will block some internet traffic. So
my suggestion would be to turn off the blocking for that site. I don't have
this problem so not sure on how to do this.

All in all I am pleased with the changes SP2 brought in, but I think I had to
uninstall the google toolbar and then reinstall after.

take care
Liz




On 07 Oct 2004 13:59:10 GMT, patscga@aol.com (Patscga) wrote:

I installed it and began having problems at Ancestry.com. They told me that
sometime this happens after a Service Pack 2 download. So I went to Remove
Programs and tried to uninstall it. When it was almost finished, it gave me an
error message and hung up, refusing to budge, so I quit it. My computer
crashed and I had to reformat the disk and start all over again.

Pat

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 11 okt 2004 15:15:31

All in all I am pleased with the changes SP2 brought in, but I think I had to
uninstall the google toolbar and then reinstall after.


I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy, etc. The next time a
fix is offered, I will wait a long time before I download it. Even a slight
chance of going through this again is more than I care to deal with.
Pat

singhals

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av singhals » 11 okt 2004 23:08:56

Patscga wrote:
All in all I am pleased with the changes SP2 brought in, but I think I had to
uninstall the google toolbar and then reinstall after.



I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy, etc. The next time a
fix is offered, I will wait a long time before I download it. Even a slight
chance of going through this again is more than I care to deal with.
Pat


I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost a 5.25 DS/DD
full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data, and a 3.5 1.4M of data,
then I really moved into the big time and lost 85M off a ZIP disc that
lost it's FAT, followed by two HD crashes.

Paper. And printer's ink. (g) I'm TIRED of refinding and/or recreating
all this stuff.


Cheryl

K0BBE

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av K0BBE » 11 okt 2004 23:23:35

: Patscga wrote:
: >
: >>All in all I am pleased with the changes SP2 brought in,
: >>but I think I had to uninstall the google toolbar and
: >> then reinstall after.
: >>
: >
: >
: > I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy,
: > etc. The next time a fix is offered, I will wait a long
: > time before I download it. Even a slight chance of going
: > through this again is more than I care to deal with.
: > Pat
:

"singhals" schreef...
:
: I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost
: a 5.25 DS/DD full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data,
: and a 3.5 1.4M of data, then I really moved into the big
: time and lost 85M off a ZIP disc that lost it's FAT,
: followed by two HD crashes.
:
: Paper. And printer's ink. (g) I'm TIRED of refinding
: and/or recreating all this stuff.
:
: Cheryl
:

Do you never make a back-up copie ?

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Ajo Wissink

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Ajo Wissink » 11 okt 2004 23:55:23

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:08:56 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com>
wrote:

I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost a 5.25 DS/DD
full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data, and a 3.5 1.4M of data,
then I really moved into the big time and lost 85M off a ZIP disc that
lost it's FAT, followed by two HD crashes.

Are you related to Lindsay Wagner? You must have magnetic parts <g>

--
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Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 12 okt 2004 10:13:59

In article <2slqebF1n7scrU1@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

Well, as a techie, I can certainly appreciate wanting to be accurate about
what question is being asked. Nothing more annoying than spending time to
answer a question that isn't what the person really meant. Sure, it was
_probably_ obviously Windows XP service pack 2, but I can see wanting to
be sure first.

How long ago was SP2 released for NT and 2K? Talk about taking your time doing
upgrades. BTW, what's the difference between "win2k and win2000?" I don't
really consider myself a techie, just a hacker wannabe. I've used a computer
for 22 years now. Back in the days of the kerosene powered modems, you could
actually us a soldering iron on your PC. (not an IBM one though, Alan Kay once
said that IBM has never made a PC).

NT 4 is up to SP6a and W2K is up to SP4. I think a SP1 was made for W95. Not
that its supported anymore.

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 12 okt 2004 10:20:43

In article <20041008123902.22420.00000404@mb-m06.aol.com>, patscga@aol.com
says...

There are two platforms: PC and Mac duh

Thank you for telling me. I wasn't aware of that. I always thought Mac was
a personal computer, too.

Alan Kay, the guy who coined the term "personal computer," is affiliated with
Apple.

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 12 okt 2004 10:31:08

In article <20041011091531.04253.00001367@mb-m23.aol.com>, patscga@aol.com
says...

I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy, etc. The next time
a fix is offered, I will wait a long time before I download it. Even a
slight chance of going through this again is more than I care to deal with.

I would have tried to reinstall XP first before I formatted my HD. I've owned
a clone for 9 years now and I've only formatted my HD 3 times. Win9x coughed
up a 50 meg hairball one time. The other two were attempts at starting with a
clean install. (one was when I switched from Win9x to NT).

"Formatting the HD" seems to be a standard fix for some reason. Mom took her
computer in to get worked on one time. They formatted her HD. It seems that my
oldest son formats his every other week or so. You gotta put a gun to my head
if you're gonna get me to format mine.

singhals

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av singhals » 12 okt 2004 15:18:32

Ajo Wissink wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:08:56 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com
wrote:


I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost a 5.25 DS/DD
full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data, and a 3.5 1.4M of data,
then I really moved into the big time and lost 85M off a ZIP disc that
lost it's FAT, followed by two HD crashes.


Are you related to Lindsay Wagner? You must have magnetic parts <g


(G) Nope, sorry. I just keep believing all that babble about backing
up; and every time I DO something systematic about it, I shoot myself in
the foot. Paper. (g)

Cheryl

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 12 okt 2004 15:35:37

"Formatting the HD" seems to be a standard fix for some reason. Mom took her
computer in to get worked on one time. They formatted her HD. It seems that
my
oldest son formats his every other week or so. You gotta put a gun to my head

if you're gonna get me to format mine.

If the operating system has malfunctioned and destroyed most of your data,

there's nothing else than can be done. Unless you know a fix none of the rest
of us do.
Pat

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 12 okt 2004 15:37:58

"I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost a 5.25 DS/DD
full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data, and a 3.5 1.4M of data,
then I really moved into the big time and lost 85M off a ZIP disc that
lost it's FAT, followed by two HD crashes."

I feel your pain. The people who really bug me are those who say something
like "What did you do wrong?"
Pat

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 12 okt 2004 16:49:43

Patscga wrote:
All in all I am pleased with the changes SP2 brought in, but I think I had to
uninstall the google toolbar and then reinstall after.



I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy, etc. The next time a
fix is offered, I will wait a long time before I download it. Even a slight
chance of going through this again is more than I care to deal with.
Pat

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!

That way, when the hard drive crashes and they all do at some point in
time, nothing is lost.

Lani

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 12 okt 2004 17:15:06

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:31:08 -0500, Nearl J Icarus <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <20041011091531.04253.00001367@mb-m23.aol.com>, patscga@aol.com
says...

I lost everything on my hard drive; documents, genealogy, etc. The next time
a fix is offered, I will wait a long time before I download it. Even a
slight chance of going through this again is more than I care to deal with.


"Formatting the HD" seems to be a standard fix for some reason. Mom took her
computer in to get worked on one time. They formatted her HD.

Anyone who resorts to that without going to extrordinary means first is not
worthy to call themselves a computer technician. Any tech worth going to
is going to have a whole box full of tricks to pull out before intentionally
destroying someone's data. It's one thing if the hard drive is actually
damaged or unresponsive, but if the thing is merely a corrupted OS, there
are many ways to deal with that without losing data for a customer.

For example - "Hi - your installation of Windows is very corrupted. I also
notice that your hard drive is (very small/mostly full/whichever/both).
We can solve both problems at once by moving that to be the D: drive, putting
a new bigger disk in for C:, re-installing windows on that, and then linking
your existing data on D: to where you'd expect to find it on C:".
In situations where that wasn't possible, I've resorted to installing Windows
over the corrupted version, and I've never lost anything more than
applications that needed to be re-installed, and usually not even that.
But, when I'm doing anything destructive to a customer's hard drive,
I make a copy of the darn thing onto _my own_ systems, so I can put that
copy back onto the fixed system when I'm done.

Unless the hard drive is physically broken and/or not responding at all to
the system, there's no excuse to lose a customer's data just because the OS
is hosed.

Personally, I'm staying away from the "fix PCs for people" thing lately,
because it ends up being a support hassle - every software usage problem
they have in the future, they call me because I fixed their system once.
Just isn't worth the hassle. Lately, when someone asks for computer advice,
I've been suggesting that if it's applicable that they buy a Mac; every
person who has done so has been very happy, none of them have lost data,
and none of them have had to deal with viruses, OS reinstalls, crashes,
and all that fun stuff.

....but there's no excuse to resort to reformatting someone's system just
to fix a broken windows installation...

Dave Hinz

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 12 okt 2004 17:17:59

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:13:59 -0500, Nearl J Icarus <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <2slqebF1n7scrU1@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Because "sp2" could mean a number of things. It's not even unique within
Windows Service Packs - there's been an SP2 for win2k, win2000, and
probably others.

How long ago was SP2 released for NT and 2K? Talk about taking your time doing
upgrades.

Well, it just means "second major service pack to (thing)", there's nothing
in common with one SP2 or another SP2 other than the name.

BTW, what's the difference between "win2k and win2000?"

I was thinking NT but typed 2k apparently.

I don't
really consider myself a techie, just a hacker wannabe. I've used a computer
for 22 years now. Back in the days of the kerosene powered modems, you could
actually us a soldering iron on your PC. (not an IBM one though, Alan Kay once
said that IBM has never made a PC).

Did you have one of the 110 baud accoustical couplers? Fun times...

NT 4 is up to SP6a and W2K is up to SP4. I think a SP1 was made for W95. Not
that its supported anymore.

Didn't win98 go into "no support" at the end of June also? They were going
to drop it at the end of last year but extended it.

Dave

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 12 okt 2004 17:18:43

On 12 Oct 2004 13:37:58 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:
I feel your pain. The people who really bug me are those who say something
like "What did you do wrong?"

Maybe they're trying to help identify a problem to propose prevention in
the future rather than trying to affix blame?

Sherry

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Sherry » 12 okt 2004 17:57:37

Nearl J Icarus <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:sBMad.816$HG3.740@lakeread04:
<snip>
I would have tried to reinstall XP first before I formatted my HD.
I've owned a clone for 9 years now and I've only formatted my HD 3
times. Win9x coughed up a 50 meg hairball one time. The other two
were attempts at starting with a clean install. (one was when I
switched from Win9x to NT).



I'm not a techie, but from all I've been told by techies, I would
*never* just reinstall Windows on top of a problem. You're only
keeping the problem. It's always best to clear off all the junk and do
a fresh install. I know people who have done over-installs and ended
up with problems they didn't have before.

Kinda like painting over a dirty house, IMHO.

Sherry

Hugh Watkins

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 12 okt 2004 18:04:23

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:2t2auiF1rl8c2U3@uni-berlin.de...
On 12 Oct 2004 13:37:58 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:

I feel your pain. The people who really bug me are those who say
something
like "What did you do wrong?"

Maybe they're trying to help identify a problem to propose prevention in
the future rather than trying to affix blame?

computers need house keeping and maintaining,
and if you are too lazy to learn how messes happen

I started off with macintoshes but started on ms pc to see how other people
live
and continued to obtain voice recognition software

after installing the OS add Norton on Mac or "IBM" as the first software to
install
and use it once a week

Win 2000 or Win XP are shells running on Win NT
and Mac OS X is a shell running on a flavour of Unix

NT and UNIX are industrial strengh operating systems used on major servers
all over the world and, if properly maintained, reasonably trouble free

certainly the Mac is the best for beginners and highly compatable with iPOD
and that teen world

Hugh W

Vickie Travis

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Vickie Travis » 12 okt 2004 22:55:29

I suggest to avoid future service pack update problems that you browse
the Langa Web Site and sign up for their newsletter. They tell how to
turn off the service pack update feature which will allow you to update
only what you want to until March of next year when the major bugs
should be worked out..

http://www.langa.com/newsletter.htm

Vickie

singhals wrote:

Ajo Wissink wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:08:56 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com
wrote:


I lost a floppy (5.25, SS, SD) full of data. Then I lost a 5.25
DS/DD full of data. Then I lost a 3.5 700 of data, and a 3.5 1.4M
of data, then I really moved into the big time and lost 85M off a
ZIP disc that lost it's FAT, followed by two HD crashes.



Are you related to Lindsay Wagner? You must have magnetic parts <g


(G) Nope, sorry. I just keep believing all that babble about backing
up; and every time I DO something systematic about it, I shoot myself
in the foot. Paper. (g)

Cheryl


e

Vickie Travis

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Vickie Travis » 12 okt 2004 22:56:44

Did you try the system restore feature?

Patscga wrote:

"Formatting the HD" seems to be a standard fix for some reason. Mom took her
computer in to get worked on one time. They formatted her HD. It seems that
my
oldest son formats his every other week or so. You gotta put a gun to my head

if you're gonna get me to format mine.



If the operating system has malfunctioned and destroyed most of your data,
there's nothing else than can be done. Unless you know a fix none of the rest
of us do.
Pat



Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 12 okt 2004 23:44:26

Did you try the system restore feature?

Of course.
Pat

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 12 okt 2004 23:48:30

computers need house keeping and maintaining,
and if you are too lazy to learn how messes happen

How dare you accuse me of sloppy computer-keeping when you know nothing about
me. FYI, I am handicapped and spend most of my day at the computer and care
for it better than some people do their children.
Pat

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 12 okt 2004 23:52:07

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!

I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?
Thanks a lot.
Pat

MisNomer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av MisNomer » 13 okt 2004 02:00:40

Voice recognition software? cool.... what do you use? Looking for
recomendations for people slowly loosing their sight.

That aside, I have found nortons to be a real memory hog, and advise against it
for older machines. There are some very good free antivirus programs available.

take care
Liz




On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:04:23 -0000, "Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote:

and continued to obtain voice recognition software

after installing the OS add Norton on Mac or "IBM" as the first software to
install
and use it once a week

MisNomer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av MisNomer » 13 okt 2004 02:03:02

Do you have USB ports. They make some terrific little products - protable hard
drives that plug into the usb slots.

My first and only zip drive developed a "clicking death" and is now only used as
a paper weight.

take care
Liz



On 12 Oct 2004 21:52:07 GMT, patscga@aol.com (Patscga) wrote:

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!

I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?
Thanks a lot.
Pat

Allen

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Allen » 13 okt 2004 03:11:15

Patscga wrote:

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!


I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?
Thanks a lot.
Pat
I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped

using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at that
time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and Dell used
to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put all that
stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb ZIP discs
there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally) full of
Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several of them.

Allen

Hugh Watkins

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13 okt 2004 03:16:20

"Patscga" <patscga@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041012174830.08241.00001796@mb-m10.aol.com...
computers need house keeping and maintaining,
and if you are too lazy to learn how messes happen

How dare you accuse me of sloppy computer-keeping when you know nothing
about
me. FYI, I am handicapped and spend most of my day at the computer and
care
for it better than some people do their children.

don't be silly I was talking generally

Huhg W

Hugh Watkins

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13 okt 2004 03:24:16

it is only good at long words like legal and medical terms

everyday speech has many homonyms which create errors
to be corrected

so quicker to type for most people

Dragon Naturally Speaking
http://www.scansoft.com/naturallyspeaking/ is good
StarOffice 7.0 too http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/


enjoy

Hugh W

"MisNomer" <misnomer@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:6rrom0h3n1nid8b93pgr99v7g9fmkgc4dk@4ax.com...
Voice recognition software? cool.... what do you use? Looking for
recomendations for people slowly loosing their sight.

That aside, I have found nortons to be a real memory hog, and advise
against it
for older machines. There are some very good free antivirus programs
available.

take care
Liz




On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:04:23 -0000, "Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com
wrote:

and continued to obtain voice recognition software

after installing the OS add Norton on Mac or "IBM" as the first software
to
install
and use it once a week

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 13 okt 2004 17:14:46

On 12 Oct 2004 21:52:07 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:
I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!

I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?

Yes. Don't. An external USB-enabled CDRW would be immensely more useful.
Nearly every computer these days has a CD-ROM drive, very few have zip
drives. Media cost is much lower, anyone can read 'em, and the cost is
better.

James A. Doemer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 13 okt 2004 20:43:12

Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2004 21:52:07 GMT, Patscga <patscga@aol.com> wrote:
I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I
ususally just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an
external ZIP drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers,
drat!

I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent 4 days entering info I had received from a relative in
Germany and hadn't backed that up. I used to have an internal zip
drive and would love to replace it but have no bay available,
either. Do you have any suggestions for an external zip drive?

Yes. Don't. An external USB-enabled CDRW would be immensely more
useful. Nearly every computer these days has a CD-ROM drive, very few
have zip drives. Media cost is much lower, anyone can read 'em, and
the cost is better.

I have an old zip drive still attached to my computer. I haven't used it
since I bought the CDR/W burner a couple years back. I just haven't removed
it yet.

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 14 okt 2004 08:17:07

In article <20041012093537.08241.00001780@mb-m10.aol.com>, patscga@aol.com
says...

If the operating system has malfunctioned and destroyed most of your data,
there's nothing else than can be done. Unless you know a fix none of the
rest of us do.

I maintain at least three partitions. One handles the boot process, one I
install programs to, and the other(s) are for data only. The thing I don't
like about Windows is the registry. If I lose my boot partition, then I have
to reinstall everything. When I was using the Amiga, all I pretty much had to
keep backed up were devs:, and libs:. And fonts:, I didn't care much for the
default Amiga font.

During the time when I first started using Win95, I was also running a BBS. A
lock up wiped out the BBS partition completely. Norton Utilities was able to
recover 99% of the partition. The only thing it couldn't recover were 6 .exe
files that were open when the machine locked up. Norton Utilites was one of
the best investments I ever had.

I like to pick on my oldest son because he formats a HD in one huge partition.
He gets back at me because I'm a partition maniac. I almost ran out of drive
letters when I got my first 60 gig HD. 8-/

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 14 okt 2004 08:31:07

In article <2t2at7F1rl8c2U2@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Did you have one of the 110 baud accoustical couplers? Fun times...

My first modem was 300 baud. I was still using cassettes for storage so I had
to boot off the modem to load the driver. (Atari 800 XL, 1030 modem). A friend
of mine used one of those acoustic modems.

Those were fun times. You could still read the messages as they scrolled
across the screen. When I went from 1200 bps to 2400, I also went from 40
columns to 80. So it didn't look any faster.

Didn't win98 go into "no support" at the end of June also? They were going
to drop it at the end of last year but extended it.

I'm not sure whats the status is on win98. Last I heard was that they extended
it because not that many people had made the jump to the NT 5 bandwagon.

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 14 okt 2004 08:39:43

In article <20041012175207.08241.00001797@mb-m10.aol.com>, patscga@aol.com
says...

backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to
replace it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions
for an external zip drive?

Do you still use your floppy? It has the same form factor as the internal Zip
drives.

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 14 okt 2004 16:29:07

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:31:07 -0500, Nearl J Icarus <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <2t2at7F1rl8c2U2@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Did you have one of the 110 baud accoustical couplers? Fun times...

My first modem was 300 baud. I was still using cassettes for storage so I had
to boot off the modem to load the driver. (Atari 800 XL, 1030 modem). A friend
of mine used one of those acoustic modems.

My first modem was the 110 baud handset-holder, upgraded to a Hayes
Smartmodem 300 (paid $239.00 for it out of the back of Byte magazine).
Man, that was _FAST_!!!

Those were fun times. You could still read the messages as they scrolled
across the screen. When I went from 1200 bps to 2400, I also went from 40
columns to 80. So it didn't look any faster.

Do you remember "soft scrolling"? Instead of clicking the lines up one line
at a time, it'd, well, float upwards as it displayed. Like the dialog at
the beginning of Star Wars. Didn't like it then, don't like it now.
Just not natc'rul, you know?

Didn't win98 go into "no support" at the end of June also? They were going
to drop it at the end of last year but extended it.

I'm not sure whats the status is on win98. Last I heard was that they extended
it because not that many people had made the jump to the NT 5 bandwagon.

Ah, here it is:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx
Actually that's not it. But it's close to it. They changed the layout
of their support site _again_, argh.

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 15 okt 2004 03:28:53

Patscga wrote:
I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the files
on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally just
work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP drive. They
no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!


I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?
Thanks a lot.
Pat
Mine is Iomega 250 external ZIP. I have it setting on top of my tower

that is setting on the floor under my desk.

I DID like the internal. Seems with each new computer, we have to give
up something we like. I'm not too happy about that.

LC

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 15 okt 2004 03:32:53

Allen wrote:


Patscga wrote:

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I ususally
just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an external ZIP
drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers, drat!



I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and hadn't
backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and would love
to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions for an
external zip drive?
Thanks a lot. Pat

I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped
using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at that
time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and Dell used
to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put all that
stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb ZIP discs
there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally) full of
Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several of them.

Allen


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which I
am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that is the
reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many CDs.

I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD (in
addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also, they
are even more expensive.

Lani

James A. Doemer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 15 okt 2004 03:46:38

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Allen wrote:



Patscga wrote:

I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I
ususally just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an
external ZIP drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers,
drat!



I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and
hadn't backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and
would love
to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions
for an external zip drive?
Thanks a lot. Pat

I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped
using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at
that time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and
Dell used to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put
all that stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb
ZIP discs there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally)
full of Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several
of them.

Allen


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.

Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)


I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani

Nearl J Icarus

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Nearl J Icarus » 15 okt 2004 17:03:01

In article <2t7gpjF1t3gbdU7@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Do you remember "soft scrolling"? Instead of clicking the lines up one line
at a time, it'd, well, float upwards as it displayed. Like the dialog at
the beginning of Star Wars. Didn't like it then, don't like it now.
Just not natc'rul, you know?

The Atari 8-bits supported scrolling one scan line at a time. It was too slow
for me. When did you start reading Byte? It used to be a pretty good magazine.
I started reading it around '80. My 'first' computer was going to be wire
wrapped, 2K RAM, 1K ROM. When I realized that ML was going to be a little over
my head, I bought an Atari 400 in '82. I bought my first modem when they
dropped below the $200 mark. For a couple generations, the modems got faster
and cheaper. Only the Supra 2400 and the USR 33.8 cost me more than the 300
jobber. Still have a 14.4 and a 56K laying around. For a while I used modems
to port files between computer systems.

Dave Hinz

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 15 okt 2004 17:40:46

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:03:01 -0500, Nearl J Icarus <nj_toothenbecker@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <2t7gpjF1t3gbdU7@uni-berlin.de>, DaveHinz@spamcop.net says...

Do you remember "soft scrolling"? Instead of clicking the lines up one line
at a time, it'd, well, float upwards as it displayed. Like the dialog at
the beginning of Star Wars. Didn't like it then, don't like it now.
Just not natc'rul, you know?

The Atari 8-bits supported scrolling one scan line at a time. It was too slow
for me. When did you start reading Byte? It used to be a pretty good magazine.

1980 or 1981, but I now have issues going back to number one. Haven't looked
at 'em in years, I should see if it's an eBay'able thing. Loved Ciarcia's
Circuit Cellar, built tons of stuff from there (including my first eprom
programmer, using 3 9-volt batteries to get the 27 volts DC).

I started reading it around '80. My 'first' computer was going to be wire
wrapped, 2K RAM, 1K ROM. When I realized that ML was going to be a little over
my head, I bought an Atari 400 in '82. I bought my first modem when they
dropped below the $200 mark. For a couple generations, the modems got faster
and cheaper. Only the Supra 2400 and the USR 33.8 cost me more than the 300
jobber. Still have a 14.4 and a 56K laying around. For a while I used modems
to port files between computer systems.

Yup, then I discovered the null modem cable. Swap pins 2&3, there ya go.
My first computer was in 1980, a 4K TRS-80 Color Computer. Upgraded it to
16K right away, and then learned about cuts&jumps and soldering to upgrade
it to 32K. Made a _ton_ of money back in the early '80s doing hardware
upgrades, custom software, that sort of thing. Oddly enough, that's not much
different from what I'm doing today - "Well, we'll put 3 Unix boxes over here,
two down there, connect them with this type of network connection, build this
package here, use this protocol and module there..."

Beats working, y'know?

Dave Hinz

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 15 okt 2004 19:19:35

James A. Doemer wrote:
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Allen wrote:



Patscga wrote:


I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I
ususally just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an
external ZIP drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers,
drat!



I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and
hadn't backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and
would love
to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions
for an external zip drive?
Thanks a lot. Pat

I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped
using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at
that time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and
Dell used to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put
all that stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb
ZIP discs there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally)
full of Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several
of them.

Allen


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.


Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani




Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a

person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database and
re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this works
for me.

Lani

Allen

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Allen » 15 okt 2004 21:07:41

L Covey wrote:
James A. Doemer wrote:
snip many lines

I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.



Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani





Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database and
re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this works
for me.

Lani
I don't know if this has already been addressed, but for less than the

cost of a ZIP drive and discs to go with it you could install a second
hard drive of at least 60 gb, if, that is, your computer's BOIS will
support it. Any read-write device is not completely error-free, but HDs
come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives. I speak from
experience about this, having started using the precursor to the ZIP,
the 10 meg 8-inch disks made by IOmega starting back over twenty years
ago.

Even if your BIOS won't support larger partitions your data files can't
come even close to 2 gig if you've been putting them on ZIPs. Even if
you don't have an available HD bay (almost all machines have room for at
least two HDs) you could even consider an external USB or 1394 enclosure
and still might come out ahead pricewise.

Good luck which ever way you go, and may your data always be with you.
Allen

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 15 okt 2004 23:13:40

Allen wrote:

L Covey wrote:

James A. Doemer wrote:

snip many lines


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.




Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani






Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database
and re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this
works for me.

Lani

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but for less than the
cost of a ZIP drive and discs to go with it you could install a second
hard drive of at least 60 gb, if, that is, your computer's BOIS will
support it. Any read-write device is not completely error-free, but HDs
come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives. I speak from
experience about this, having started using the precursor to the ZIP,
the 10 meg 8-inch disks made by IOmega starting back over twenty years ago.

Even if your BIOS won't support larger partitions your data files can't
come even close to 2 gig if you've been putting them on ZIPs. Even if
you don't have an available HD bay (almost all machines have room for at
least two HDs) you could even consider an external USB or 1394 enclosure
and still might come out ahead pricewise.

Good luck which ever way you go, and may your data always be with you.
Allen


Thank you for the information.

but HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives.

I don't know whether or not that is accurate, not wanting to doubt you,
but just wondering.

A HD can crash on day one or a long ways down the road. It is, however,
a given that it WILL crash. I can't rely on a HD to retain my records.

Regarding the cost, you make a good point.

Lani

Allen

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Allen » 15 okt 2004 23:33:27

L Covey wrote:
Allen wrote:



L Covey wrote:

James A. Doemer wrote:


snip many lines


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.





Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani







Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about
1-1/2 years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later
that day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database
and re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this
works for me.

Lani


I don't know if this has already been addressed, but for less than the
cost of a ZIP drive and discs to go with it you could install a second
hard drive of at least 60 gb, if, that is, your computer's BOIS will
support it. Any read-write device is not completely error-free, but
HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives. I speak
from experience about this, having started using the precursor to the
ZIP, the 10 meg 8-inch disks made by IOmega starting back over twenty
years ago.

Even if your BIOS won't support larger partitions your data files
can't come even close to 2 gig if you've been putting them on ZIPs.
Even if you don't have an available HD bay (almost all machines have
room for at least two HDs) you could even consider an external USB or
1394 enclosure and still might come out ahead pricewise.

Good luck which ever way you go, and may your data always be with you.
Allen


Thank you for the information.

but HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives.

I don't know whether or not that is accurate, not wanting to doubt you,
but just wondering.

A HD can crash on day one or a long ways down the road. It is, however,
a given that it WILL crash. I can't rely on a HD to retain my records.

Regarding the cost, you make a good point.

Lani
I will certify that ZIPs will give trouble eventually, and much sooner

and much more likely than HDs. I've not had an HD crash in less than
three years of normal use, since most of the bugs were worked out in the
1980s.
Allen

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 16 okt 2004 00:09:28

Allen wrote:

L Covey wrote:

Allen wrote:



L Covey wrote:

James A. Doemer wrote:



snip many lines


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.






Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani








Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about
1-1/2 years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later
that day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database
and re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this
works for me.

Lani



I don't know if this has already been addressed, but for less than
the cost of a ZIP drive and discs to go with it you could install a
second hard drive of at least 60 gb, if, that is, your computer's
BOIS will support it. Any read-write device is not completely
error-free, but HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP
drives. I speak from experience about this, having started using the
precursor to the ZIP, the 10 meg 8-inch disks made by IOmega starting
back over twenty years ago.

Even if your BIOS won't support larger partitions your data files
can't come even close to 2 gig if you've been putting them on ZIPs.
Even if you don't have an available HD bay (almost all machines have
room for at least two HDs) you could even consider an external USB or
1394 enclosure and still might come out ahead pricewise.

Good luck which ever way you go, and may your data always be with you.
Allen


Thank you for the information.

but HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives.

I don't know whether or not that is accurate, not wanting to doubt
you, but just wondering.

A HD can crash on day one or a long ways down the road. It is,
however, a given that it WILL crash. I can't rely on a HD to retain
my records.

Regarding the cost, you make a good point.

Lani

I will certify that ZIPs will give trouble eventually, and much sooner
and much more likely than HDs. I've not had an HD crash in less than
three years of normal use, since most of the bugs were worked out in the
1980s.
Allen


Okay. I have had only one HD crash. It was my first computer with
normal use. No fun.

Thanks again,

Lani

James A. Doemer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 16 okt 2004 00:28:14

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:84Xbd.702536$Gx4.449864@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Allen wrote:


L Covey wrote:

James A. Doemer wrote:

snip many lines


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.




Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani






Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database
and re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this
works for me.

Lani

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but for less than the
cost of a ZIP drive and discs to go with it you could install a second
hard drive of at least 60 gb, if, that is, your computer's BOIS will
support it. Any read-write device is not completely error-free, but HDs
come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives. I speak from
experience about this, having started using the precursor to the ZIP,
the 10 meg 8-inch disks made by IOmega starting back over twenty years
ago.

Even if your BIOS won't support larger partitions your data files can't
come even close to 2 gig if you've been putting them on ZIPs. Even if
you don't have an available HD bay (almost all machines have room for at
least two HDs) you could even consider an external USB or 1394 enclosure
and still might come out ahead pricewise.

Good luck which ever way you go, and may your data always be with you.
Allen


Thank you for the information.

but HDs come closer than CD-R or CD-RW and especially ZIP drives.

I don't know whether or not that is accurate, not wanting to doubt you,
but just wondering.

A HD can crash on day one or a long ways down the road. It is, however,
a given that it WILL crash. I can't rely on a HD to retain my records.

Regarding the cost, you make a good point.

Lani

Hard drives can crash, which is why I mirror my family tree information on
both my hard drives, as well as a CD-RW. Not taking any chances with that
data.

James A. Doemer

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av James A. Doemer » 16 okt 2004 00:30:06

"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:HETbd.554454$OB3.150012@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
James A. Doemer wrote:
L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Allen wrote:



Patscga wrote:


I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I
ususally just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an
external ZIP drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers,
drat!



I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and
hadn't backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and
would love
to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions
for an external zip drive?
Thanks a lot. Pat

I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped
using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at
that time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and
Dell used to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put
all that stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb
ZIP discs there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally)
full of Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several
of them.

Allen


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.


Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)



I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani




Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?

I'm not sure. I have one that I use for my family tree files, and I've
written on it about 25 times now.

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.

Perhaps there is some technical information on the web that would either
confirm your mistrust, or ease it, depending on what you find out.

I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database and
re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this works
for me.

Lani

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 16 okt 2004 03:13:51

James A. Doemer wrote:
"L Covey" <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:HETbd.554454$OB3.150012@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

James A. Doemer wrote:

L Covey <ljcovey@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


Allen wrote:



Patscga wrote:



I guess this isn't much help at this point, but always backup the
files on CDs, providing you have a CD burner. Personally, I
ususally just work with 250 ZIP disks and currently have an
external ZIP drive. They no longer make enough bays in towers,
drat!



I had most of my genealogy backed up. However, prior to the crash I
had spent
4 days entering info I had received from a relative in Germany and
hadn't backed that up. I used to have an internal zip drive and
would love
to replace
it but have no bay available, either. Do you have any suggestions
for an external zip drive?
Thanks a lot. Pat

I used to have a ZIP drive and used it regularly. I finally stopped
using it and started using CD-R and CD-RW. Considering the high cost
and relatively small capacity of ZIPs, I really don't miss it. I
formatted all my old ZIP discs and gave them to my church, which at
that time had a need for them. As an aside, I live in Austin and
Dell used to have an outlet store here before they closed it and put
all that stuff on the Internet. I used to buy perfectly good 100mb
ZIP discs there for $2.00. They also always a barrel (literally)
full of Microsoft mice (various models) for $5.00; I bought several
of them.

Allen


I have a large "database" in Excel for my high school class for which
I am responsible. Since 2001, I have done tons of editing and that
is the reason I like the ZIP. I would be throwing away way too many
CDs.


Not if you used the CD-RW's.. (Rewritable)




I back up photos and this database every six months or so onto a CD
(in addition to maintaining it on the 250 ZIP.

Too bad the 700 ZIPs do not have the capability of editing. Also,
they are even more expensive.

Lani




Maybe there is something I don't understand. How many times can a
person re-write on one CD?


I'm not sure. I have one that I use for my family tree files, and I've
written on it about 25 times now.


Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more. That is when there is an
upcoming reunion. Now that that the "Excel database" is over 90%
accurate, I don't expect to edit quite so frequently until about 1-1/2
years prior to the next reunion.

I just don't trust the re-writeablilty.


Perhaps there is some technical information on the web that would either
confirm your mistrust, or ease it, depending on what you find out.


I have had good quality CD-RWs and added some photos. Then later that
day, added more files. The second addition of files didn't work.

Also, I don't necesarily want to discard the "old" reunion database and
re-write over it. That "old" data can often be very useful.

Thank you, I shall work with them more frequently and see how this works
for me.

Lani




Thank you for taking the time to reply to both of my posts.

Lani

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 16 okt 2004 13:24:46

Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more.

Is there any software program available that will "update" changed files rather
than having to redo them all?
Pat

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 16 okt 2004 16:42:42

Patscga wrote:
Sometimes I edit 25 times a day or more.


Is there any software program available that will "update" changed files rather
than having to redo them all?
Pat

What kind of files are you trying to update?

With formulas and functions created in Excel, Excel will update when a
specific file is opened. I am no super expert on Excel, however.

My reunion Excel "database" consists of text: first name, middle
initial, maiden name, current surname, spouse's name, address1,
address2, city, state, 9D-ZIP, phone, contact person's data, notes,
verified, date verified, etc.

Lani

Patscga

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Patscga » 16 okt 2004 23:13:39

What kind of files are you trying to update?

With formulas and functions created in Excel, Excel will update when a
specific file is opened. I am no super expert on Excel, however.

My reunion Excel "database" consists of text: first name, middle
initial, maiden name, current surname, spouse's name, address1,
address2, city, state, 9D-ZIP, phone, contact person's data, notes,
verified, date verified, etc.


I didn't make myself clear. I am looking for a backup software for my docs and
genealogy. Rather than back them all up again each time, I would like a
software that checks to see what's been changed.
Pat

Greg Surratt

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Greg Surratt » 17 okt 2004 00:32:28

On 16 Oct 2004 21:13:39 GMT, patscga@aol.com (Patscga) wrote:

I didn't make myself clear. I am looking for a backup software for my docs and
genealogy. Rather than back them all up again each time, I would like a
software that checks to see what's been changed.
Pat

I'm running a program called "Datakeeper" from Powerquest.

I have data files on drives D:, E: and F:. All three are 80 GB
drives.

I have a 200 GB drive G:.

Datakeeper is set to watch any file modifications on the data drives
and will make up to three archive copies of the files on drive G:. I
don't watch drive C: because if it crashes, I'll just reload the
operating system and programs anyways.

If any of the data drives crash, I can replace the hardware and
recover from drive G:. If drive G: crashes, I can replace the large
drive and create a new backup.

If I screw up a file and need to revert back, I can go back as far as
three "versions" with this system.

It tracks changes while I'm working and does the backups when the
computer is idle. If I get too far ahead, it will play catchup when I
shut the computer down, backing up all the remaining files as part of
the shut down process.

Greg

Herman Viaene

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Herman Viaene » 17 okt 2004 09:29:10

Patscga wrote:
What kind of files are you trying to update?

With formulas and functions created in Excel, Excel will update when a
specific file is opened. I am no super expert on Excel, however.

My reunion Excel "database" consists of text: first name, middle
initial, maiden name, current surname, spouse's name, address1,
address2, city, state, 9D-ZIP, phone, contact person's data, notes,
verified, date verified, etc.



I didn't make myself clear. I am looking for a backup software for my docs and
genealogy. Rather than back them all up again each time, I would like a
software that checks to see what's been changed.
Pat

I'm not running Windows anymore, so I cannot confirm it right now, but
years ago I used the xcopy command for such check/copy. Start windows'
online help and give xcopy as search term, you might be lucky.

Herman Viaene

L Covey

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av L Covey » 17 okt 2004 15:43:39

Herman Viaene wrote:
Patscga wrote:

What kind of files are you trying to update?

With formulas and functions created in Excel, Excel will update when
a specific file is opened. I am no super expert on Excel, however.

My reunion Excel "database" consists of text: first name, middle
initial, maiden name, current surname, spouse's name, address1,
address2, city, state, 9D-ZIP, phone, contact person's data, notes,
verified, date verified, etc.



I didn't make myself clear. I am looking for a backup software for my
docs and
genealogy. Rather than back them all up again each time, I would like a
software that checks to see what's been changed. Pat


I'm not running Windows anymore, so I cannot confirm it right now, but
years ago I used the xcopy command for such check/copy. Start windows'
online help and give xcopy as search term, you might be lucky.

Herman Viaene


That was a DOS command wasn't it?

Lani

Herman Viaene

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Herman Viaene » 17 okt 2004 17:16:42

L Covey wrote:
Herman Viaene wrote:

....snip...

I'm not running Windows anymore, so I cannot confirm it right now, but
years ago I used the xcopy command for such check/copy. Start windows'
online help and give xcopy as search term, you might be lucky.

Herman Viaene


That was a DOS command wasn't it?

Lani

Yes it was., but if I remember well you could NT4.0 still carried (an
adapted version of???) these commands. I still have Win2000 around on
this machine, but I hardly ever use it anymore, I would have to reboot it.

Herman

Steve Hayes

Re: Service Pack 2

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 18 okt 2004 05:20:51

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:10 +0200, Herman Viaene <herman@thuis.be> wrote:

Patscga wrote:
What kind of files are you trying to update?

With formulas and functions created in Excel, Excel will update when a
specific file is opened. I am no super expert on Excel, however.

My reunion Excel "database" consists of text: first name, middle
initial, maiden name, current surname, spouse's name, address1,
address2, city, state, 9D-ZIP, phone, contact person's data, notes,
verified, date verified, etc.



I didn't make myself clear. I am looking for a backup software for my docs and
genealogy. Rather than back them all up again each time, I would like a
software that checks to see what's been changed.
Pat

I'm not running Windows anymore, so I cannot confirm it right now, but
years ago I used the xcopy command for such check/copy. Start windows'
online help and give xcopy as search term, you might be lucky.

And you can use it with the /m switch to check if the archive bit has changed.
I use that in a batch file to back up to CD R/W.




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