New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

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Craig Cockburn

New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Craig Cockburn » 01 okt 2004 09:37:52

News article
http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/c ... s1_1_1&new
sid=5276

Site:
http://www.ancestralscotland.com/

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Hugh Watkins

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 01 okt 2004 15:46:18

"Craig Cockburn" <craig@siliconglen.com> wrote in message
news:FyiO2cDQlQXBFwki@siliconglen.com...

links to Scotlands people
but what are the 10 most common surnames in Scotland?

smith tested OK but is that number one in Scotland ?

Hugh W

Hugh W

Lesley Robertson

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 01 okt 2004 15:55:36

"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Craig Cockburn" <craig@siliconglen.com> wrote in message
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News article
http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/c ... s1_1_1&new
sid=5276

Site:
http://www.ancestralscotland.com/


links to Scotlands people
but what are the 10 most common surnames in Scotland?

smith tested OK but is that number one in Scotland ?

I tried one of my rarest names - it correctly said that there is no clan,

but the name search gave me a nice little table showing how many related
records there were in different areas. However, clicking on those areas just
leads to tourist info, not to info on the type of records.
Doing a name search just tells me to go to Scotlands People....
It's a nice tourist site, but as far as I can see, the link to genealogy is
just a hook to bring folk in.
Sorry Craig, but I'm underwhelmed. People would be better going straight to
SP, or to GENUKI.
Lesley Robertson

Toni

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Toni » 01 okt 2004 18:42:30

"Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cjjrs9$1k4$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
but what are the 10 most common surnames in Scotland?
smith tested OK but is that number one in Scotland ?
Hugh W

According to a booklet published in 1991 by the GROS:

1. Smith
2. Brown
3. Wilson
4. Stewart
5. Thomson
6. Campbell
7. Robertson
8. Anderson
9. Scott
10. MacDonald

However if you add MacDonald and McDonald together they go into 3rd place
and Nos 3 to 9 move down one place.

We have all 11 surnames [adding McDonald] within our Reidford [Mum's
paternal] family, plus several within the other side [Brown-Mum's maternal]
both with Anderson great-etc grandparents
[Shetland/Banffshire/Aberdeenshire]. Would have expected Clark to
included, so wonder where it is on the list? Have it on both sides too,
although we do know for certain one was transplanted from Devon to Shetland
to Glasgow, where he died in 1896.

Toni .. Ont. Canada.

Douglas Clark

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Douglas Clark » 01 okt 2004 19:02:17

"Toni" <amheater@(BYE.SAILOR)cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:9Cf7d.8206$By5.745697@read2.cgocable.net...
"Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cjjrs9$1k4$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
but what are the 10 most common surnames in Scotland?
smith tested OK but is that number one in Scotland ?
Hugh W

According to a booklet published in 1991 by the GROS:

1. Smith
2. Brown
3. Wilson
4. Stewart
5. Thomson
6. Campbell
7. Robertson
8. Anderson
9. Scott
10. MacDonald

However if you add MacDonald and McDonald together they go into 3rd place
and Nos 3 to 9 move down one place.

We have all 11 surnames [adding McDonald] within our Reidford [Mum's
paternal] family, plus several within the other side [Brown-Mum's
maternal]
both with Anderson great-etc grandparents
[Shetland/Banffshire/Aberdeenshire]. Would have expected Clark to
included, so wonder where it is on the list? Have it on both sides too,
although we do know for certain one was transplanted from Devon to
Shetland
to Glasgow, where he died in 1896.

Toni .. Ont. Canada.

I was wondering why Clark wasnt there. At least I got back to 1850 in

Glasgow on SP.

Anne Burgess

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Anne Burgess » 01 okt 2004 19:07:53

but what are the 10 most common surnames in Scotland?
smith tested OK but is that number one in Scotland ?
Hugh W

According to a booklet published in 1991 by the GROS:

1. Smith
2. Brown
3. Wilson
4. Stewart
5. Thomson
6. Campbell
7. Robertson
8. Anderson
9. Scott
10. MacDonald

However if you add MacDonald and McDonald together they go into 3rd place
and Nos 3 to 9 move down one place.

Anne

Anne Burgess

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Anne Burgess » 01 okt 2004 19:08:40

I tried one of my rarest names - it correctly said that there is no clan,
but the name search gave me a nice little table showing how many related
records there were in different areas. However, clicking on those areas
just leads to tourist info, not to info on the type of records.
Doing a name search just tells me to go to Scotlands People....
It's a nice tourist site, but as far as I can see, the link to genealogy
is just a hook to bring folk in.
Sorry Craig, but I'm underwhelmed. People would be better going straight
to SP, or to GENUKI.
Lesley Robertson

Aye, this was the Scottish Tourist Board's pathetic attempt finally to jump
on to the genealogy bandwagon. It contains no genealogical information
except a few statistics culled from SP. And it isn't even new - it's a
revamp of an equally feeble site.

Anne

Whit ?

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Whit ? » 01 okt 2004 20:12:35

Registrant:
Everest, Neil (ANCESTRALSCOTLAND3-DOM)
Visitscotland
Unit 6 Fairways Business Park
Deerpark Road
Livingston, Lothian EH12 8BA
UK

Domain Name: ANCESTRALSCOTLAND.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Everest, Neil (NEN46) neverest@OSSIAN.NET
Visitscotland
Unit 6 Fairways Business Park
Deerpark Road
Livingston, Lothian EH12 8BA
UK
01506832115 fax: 01506832111

Record expires on 14-Mar-2006.
Record created on 14-Mar-2001.
Database last updated on 1-Oct-2004 14:11:06 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

SHEQEL.OSSIAN.NET 217.33.216.131
DRACHMA.OSSIAN.NET 194.73.110.38
PATACA.OSSIAN.NET 217.33.216.132

Lesley Robertson

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 01 okt 2004 20:18:41

"Whit ?" <dave@thingymagig.com> schreef in bericht
news:n6h7d.134624$U04.56066@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Registrant:
Everest, Neil (ANCESTRALSCOTLAND3-DOM)
Visitscotland
Unit 6 Fairways Business Park
Deerpark Road
Livingston, Lothian EH12 8BA
UK

So what? We knew it was the Tourist Board.
Lesley Robertson

Anne Burgess

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Anne Burgess » 01 okt 2004 21:44:24

We have all 11 surnames [adding McDonald] within our Reidford [Mum's
paternal] family, plus several within the other side [Brown-Mum's
maternal]
both with Anderson great-etc grandparents
[Shetland/Banffshire/Aberdeenshire]. Would have expected Clark to
included, so wonder where it is on the list?
It's 14th.


Anne

Three Left Feet

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Three Left Feet » 02 okt 2004 01:43:53

So what? We knew it was the Tourist Board.
Lesley Robertson

It also says

Record created on 14-Mar-2001

thereby telling us that it is indeed not new - it was registered all of
three and a half years ago.

Anne

Toni

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Toni » 02 okt 2004 03:22:56

"Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cjk51n$q4b$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
We have all 11 surnames [adding McDonald] within our Reidford [Mum's
paternal] family, plus several within the other side [Brown-Mum's
maternal]
both with Anderson great-etc grandparents
[Shetland/Banffshire/Aberdeenshire]. Would have expected Clark to
included, so wonder where it is on the list?

It's 14th.

Anne

LOL ...
Toni.

Toni

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Toni » 02 okt 2004 03:26:56

"Whit ?" <dave@thingymagig.com> wrote in message
news:n6h7d.134624$U04.56066@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Registrant:
[snipped whatever it was from "Whit?"]


So .... ???

Toni ..

Lesley Robertson

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Lesley Robertson » 02 okt 2004 14:47:47

"Alba (News)" <roots474@btconnect.com> schreef in bericht
news:cjm6t0$255$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hi there

I noticed your comments on AncestralScotland and, reluctantly, have to
agree that http://www.ancestralscotland.com is not all that it should be.

I was one of the Committee members that helped in the development and
final launching of this site which was designed to encourage Genealogy
through Tourism.

We had great ideas and thoughts as to what should/should not be on the
site but the plug was pulled by Visit Scotland (lack of funds so I
believe) before the full potential could be realised.

So there you have it - any questions please fire away and I'll do my
d.......... to reply.

It's a perfectly pleasant site, but there's a fair dollop of false pretenses

because of the "find your family here" hook. There's not even a link to a
Beginner's Guide to scottish family history (the best one being buried on
Scotlands People's site), let alone anything that would give anyone any
clues as to how they get going!
As a tourist site, it's fine.
Lesley Robertson

Sally

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Sally » 02 okt 2004 14:58:53

Craig Cockburn <craig@siliconglen.com> wrote in message news:<FyiO2cDQlQXBFwki@siliconglen.com>...

The news article site does not open - instead what does open is
something about multi-function errors.

As far as ancestral scotland is concerned, I have found it wanting.
Sal

Alba (News)

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Alba (News) » 02 okt 2004 16:28:16

Hi there

I noticed your comments on AncestralScotland and, reluctantly, have to agree
that http://www.ancestralscotland.com is not all that it should be.

I was one of the Committee members that helped in the development and final
launching of this site which was designed to encourage Genealogy through
Tourism.

We had great ideas and thoughts as to what should/should not be on the site
but the plug was pulled by Visit Scotland (lack of funds so I believe)
before the full potential could be realised.

So there you have it - any questions please fire away and I'll do my
d.......... to reply.

Ewan

ROOTS Consulting Services (Scotland)

Personalised Tours and all aspects of Genealogical Research -
http://www.ancestryroots.co.uk

Ayrshire Online - Family History sources within Ayrshire -
http://www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm

Anne Burgess

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Anne Burgess » 03 okt 2004 01:02:28

I noticed your comments on AncestralScotland and, reluctantly, have to
agree that http://www.ancestralscotland.com is not all that it should be.

I was one of the Committee members that helped in the development and
final launching of this site which was designed to encourage Genealogy
through Tourism.

We had great ideas and thoughts as to what should/should not be on the
site but the plug was pulled by Visit Scotland (lack of funds so I
believe) before the full potential could be realised.
Now where have I heard that story before??


So there you have it - any questions please fire away and I'll do my
d.......... to reply.
Ewan

Well done for admitting it isn't all it should be.

I think the main problem with it is that it lures you in with the promise
that it will help you trace your Scottish ancestors, then not only fails to
deliver, but also fails to direct you to, for example, http://www.genuki.org.uk.
Worse, it sidetracks you away from its purported reason for being there to
material which duplicates the main VisitScotland site.

The links to parishes, heritage centres etc would be much improved if they
contained hyperlinks to the appropriate web sites - GENUKI pages for
parishes, own web sites for libraries and archives and so on.

I looked at the 'clan and family heartlands' bit for Moray. Where are the
references to Innes and Brodie, Leslie and Gordon, all of whom were
important clans in Moray?

Under Kincardineshire the only names listed are Fraser (refenced to
Fraserburgh) and Gordon (centred on Strathbogie). Neither Fraserburgh nor
Strathbogie is in Kincardineshire - and where is the reference to Keith, the
family name of the Earls Marischal, of Dunnottar Castle in Kincardineshire
(and also of Aberdeenshire)?

Oh, there it is, under Banffshire. Well, well, well.

What about Angus, I wonder? Hmmm. It says that Carnegie, Lindsay, Douglas,
Ogilvie are 'a selection of the most common names (note, 'names', not
'clans') in this area'.

Yet these four names are ranked respectively nowhere, 71st, 69th and 98th in
the list of the 100 commonest surnames in 'Tayside' in the booklet published
by the GROS in 1991. The commonest surnames in 'Tayside', according to the
Registrar General for Scotland, are Smith, Stewart, Robertson, Thomson,
Brown, Anderson, Wilson, Duncan, Scott and Mitchell.

How on earth did all this pap and disinformation get past our so-called
'National Tourist Board', which ought to be making sure that the information
it provides is both accurate and as helpful as possible?

Positive points are that the site mentions the various family history
societies (though again hyperlinks to the societies' own web sites would be
a useful tool).

And I congratulate it for not offering me any spurious clan links for most
of the surnames in my (100% Scottish) family tree. It openly and correctly
admits that it cannot find clan links for them.

I very much hope that VisitScotland (daft name!) can be persuaded to supply
a small amount of funding to turn this site into something vaguely useful to
prospective genealogical tourists.

Anne
(who worked for a quarter of a century in various Scottish tourist
information centres)

Timelord

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Timelord » 19 nov 2004 03:57:43

It is nice to see the new site it is quite well put together
it was also nice to see the clan in a page with the tartan too.
one day I must visit Scotland

--
Thanks,
Charles Albrecht
Charlie's Place telnet:207.136.234.16:8023 http://www.sover.net/~cwalbrec


"Craig Cockburn" <craig@siliconglen.com> wrote in message
news:FyiO2cDQlQXBFwki@siliconglen.com...
News article
http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/c ... s1_1_1&new
sid=5276

Site:
http://www.ancestralscotland.com/

--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). SiliconGlen.com Ltd. http://SiliconGlen.com
Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994.
Scottish FAQ, wedding info, website design, stop spam and more!

Michilín

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Michilín » 19 nov 2004 15:52:27

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:57:43 -0500, "Timelord" <timelord@orobas.com>
wrote:

It is nice to see the new site it is quite well put together
it was also nice to see the clan in a page with the tartan too.
one day I must visit Scotland

--
Thanks,
Charles Albrecht
Charlie's Place telnet:207.136.234.16:8023 http://www.sover.net/~cwalbrec


"Craig Cockburn" <craig@siliconglen.com> wrote in message
news:FyiO2cDQlQXBFwki@siliconglen.com...
News article
http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/c ... s1_1_1&new
sid=5276

Site:
http://www.ancestralscotland.com/

--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). SiliconGlen.com Ltd. http://SiliconGlen.com
Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994.
Scottish FAQ, wedding info, website design, stop spam and more!


I really enjoyed this bit about the Loony Dook (a perfect name!):


The famous New Year dip, the Loony Dook, takes place on January 1st in
the Forth near Scotland's great landmark, the Forth Railway Bridge.
Entrants march down South Queensferry High Street with the Queensferry
pipe band before taking the plunge and swimming across the Forth to
North Queensferry. Only for the brave or the mad.

Considering that it used to take the ferries about 15 minutes to
cross before they bult the road bridge, it must be one helluva swim!



Michilín

Toni

Re: New Scottish Genealogy/Ancestral site launched

Legg inn av Toni » 20 nov 2004 01:38:10

"Michilín" <michilin@shaw.ca> wrote in message
The famous New Year dip, the Loony Dook, takes place on January 1st in
the Forth near Scotland's great landmark, the Forth Railway Bridge.
Entrants march down South Queensferry High Street with the Queensferry
pipe band before taking the plunge and swimming across the Forth to
North Queensferry. Only for the brave or the mad.

Considering that it used to take the ferries about 15 minutes to
cross before they bult the road bridge, it must be one helluva swim!

I just cannot imagine swimming in the Forth during a Scottish summer, far
less a winter! We lived a short distance away from North Queensferry (in
Rosyth) for 14 months, so I would have to say those taking part in the Loony
Dook are both brave and mad. Mind, here in various parts of Canada, many
folk take part in the annual 'Polar Dip'. In our town very often the
harbour has frozen over, so they have to break through the ice for those
wanting to take the 'Dip'. Others elsewhere jump into the Atlantic or
Pacific Ocean. Haven't heard of anyone [in Canada] actually staying in to
swim about for too long though!

Toni,
Ontario.

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